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| money money money money..... MONEY! If they have the cash to burn on crap like this.... They must charge their customers an arm and a leg. I have Cox and we have our TV and Internet for about $100 I think. Not too bad for digital cable and WWW.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: money money money money..... MONEY! everyone also wants to be the next google when it comes to success from ad profits. google nearly prints its money somedays it seems like.
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| said by TCub  :If they have the cash to burn on crap like this.... They must charge their customers an arm and a leg. I have Cox and we have our TV and Internet for about $100 I think. Not too bad for digital cable and WWW. A 500 terabyte server farm costs next to nothing for even a medium size business. For Comcast the cost is inconsequential and would be easily dwarfed by the extra revenue they would get from the higher prices targeted ads would garner.
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TCub
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join:2008-09-03
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! Whoah! You changed your avatar.
Anyway. I was considering the entire cost. I sure a server wouldn't be that much but then they have to come up with the idea, create some funky software to monitor EVERY single person watching TV with comcast. Analyse the data, etc etc.
But like Kearnstd said, they're trying to do the Google thing and make a shit ton of money off ad's. So if it works out for them then all this stuff will just pay for itself then. | |
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join:2008-10-23
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! Ya but would/could a single server have that much capasity?
in windows 64bit the largest logical drive you can have is 7.5TB so 7.5*26(letteres in the alphabet) 195TB
not lets assume not windows
500TB=minimum 334 1.5TB harddrives (but of course add redundancy so) 336 drives if one large array is even possible
It would be easy to see its possible but it would take some planning as to how to orgenize and various other aspects and possibly a need for ZFS
you could actually fit the drives all in one 48U Rack with space to spare
it would be cool to get more details as to how they set it up(although I know how I would) | |
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! Actually ya, now that you mention it I'm curious as to what hardware they're using. That's pretty crazy!
I wonder if this is going to bring up any privacy issues? I would guess it won't because google does a similar thing with your searches. Bringing up ad's specific to what you search for or write in a website or blog.
Still all it takes is one person whoes outraged to start a lawsuit. | |
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by TCub :Actually ya, now that you mention it I'm curious as to what hardware they're using. That's pretty crazy! I wonder if this is going to bring up any privacy issues? I would guess it won't because google does a similar thing with your searches. Bringing up ad's specific to what you search for or write in a website or blog. Still all it takes is one person whoes outraged to start a lawsuit. See my post - it's nothing special: multiple servers using a shared file system (probably StorNext) over FC.
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join:2008-10-23
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! If I were building it I'd do somthing allong the following
If absolutely insane speed is needed then
HP SAS MSA's on a 10G local net (maybe faster) and that would just be to get the capasity then add however many servers that are needed to handle the processing and load ZFS so I could make the partitions as big as I want | |
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by DarkLogix :If I were building it I'd do somthing allong the following If absolutely insane speed is needed then HP SAS MSA's on a 10G local net (maybe faster) and that would just be to get the capasity then add however many servers that are needed to handle the processing and load ZFS so I could make the partitions as big as I want MSA is a joke, seriously, it's a lot slower even than my system here. Also when you need HPC performance you have to forget any eth layer.
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Baytown, TX | Re: money money money money..... MONEY! well I guess I'd add a new step 1
1. find some good proformance data | |
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| said by DarkLogix :Ya but would/could a single server have that much capasity? in windows 64bit the largest logical drive you can have is 7.5TB so 7.5*26(letteres in the alphabet) 195TB not lets assume not windows 500TB=minimum 334 1.5TB harddrives (but of course add redundancy so) 336 drives if one large array is even possible It would be easy to see its possible but it would take some planning as to how to orgenize and various other aspects and possibly a need for ZFS you could actually fit the drives all in one 48U Rack with space to spare it would be cool to get more details as to how they set it up(although I know how I would) They won't be using Windows (but knowing cable companies, I wouldn't doubt they'd try).
Like you said, this is a job for a UNIX variant and ZFS (most likely Solaris). ZFS is as scalable as you want it to be. | |
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1 edit | Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by KodiacZiller :said by DarkLogix :Ya but would/could a single server have that much capasity? in windows 64bit the largest logical drive you can have is 7.5TB so 7.5*26(letteres in the alphabet) 195TB not lets assume not windows 500TB=minimum 334 1.5TB harddrives (but of course add redundancy so) 336 drives if one large array is even possible It would be easy to see its possible but it would take some planning as to how to orgenize and various other aspects and possibly a need for ZFS you could actually fit the drives all in one 48U Rack with space to spare it would be cool to get more details as to how they set it up(although I know how I would) They won't be using Windows (but knowing cable companies, I wouldn't doubt they'd try). Like you said, this is a job for a UNIX variant and ZFS (most likely Solaris). ZFS is as scalable as you want it to be. If you go down the SAN way I doubt this level of number-crunching (analyzing the habits of ~16M subs) can be done without using some sort of shared FS.
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| There is no such limit in Windows XP on logical drive size limitations. Window XP supports partitioning drives up to 18 exabytes in size.
I doubt this level will be reached in the next ten years.
This is an OLD document, but proves my point:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/100108
First, NTFS has greatly increased the size of files and volumes, so that they can now be up to 2^64 bytes (16 exabytes or 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes). NTFS has also returned to the FAT concept of clusters in order to avoid HPFS problem of a fixed sector size. This was done because Windows NT is a portable operating system and different disk technology is likely to be encountered at some point. Therefore, 512 bytes per sector was viewed as having a large possibility of not always being a good fit for the allocation. This was accomplished by allowing the cluster to be defined as multiples of the hardware's natural allocation size. Finally, in NTFS all filenames are Unicode based, and 8.3 filenames are kept along with long filenames.
You are forgetting that there are other variables for NTFS that determine the maximum partition size:
- BIOS limits
- Controller limitations
- Cluster Size
- Maximum clusters per partition
- NTFS Revision
NTFS 3.1 and newer (Windows XP, 20003 and up) support mount points just like Unix. There is no practical limit to the number of mount points. No extra drive letters required.
The REAL "logical" NTFS volume size limit in Windows XP is 256TB with a cluster size of 64K. Using the more common 4K cluster size the maximum limit is 16TB. More than is needed for most any home user. You can always create multiple mount points on a single drive letter to vastly increase the total addressable space on single computer. There are other file system solutions for Windows that do not have these limits.
And finally, no one uses Windows XP as a server environment anyway so this statement is just silly.
Cluster size Maximum NTFS Volume Size (bytes RAW)
512 2,199,023,255,040 (2TB)
1,024 4,398,046,510,080 (4TB)
2,048 8,796,093,020,160 (8TB)
4,096 17,592,186,040,320 (16TB)
8,192 35,184,372,080,640 (32TB)
16,384 70,368,744,161,280 (64TB)
32,768 140,737,488,322,560 (128TB)
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| said by DarkLogix :in windows 64bit the largest logical drive you can have is 7.5TB so 7.5*26(letteres in the alphabet) 195TB not lets assume not windows 500TB=minimum 334 1.5TB harddrives (but of course add redundancy so) 336 drives if one large array is even possible Windows NTFS can support 2^32 clusters. At the default cluster size of 4KB, that translates to 16terabytes. Using teh max size of 64kb/cluster, the size goes up to 256TB.
Using other file systems, Windows can theoretically address up to 18exabytes (that's 1000 petabytes or 1,000,000 terabytes).
Windows, just like *nix servers, also aren't limited to just 26 drive letters. You aren't going to put 500TB as a single volume. | |
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join:2000-11-21
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1 edit | (To the original anonymous poster with comments about 7.5Gbyte drives under windows.)
a) Your numbers on the largest logical drive possible in Windows are way off.
b) You can mount drives any number of ways, including off folders, etc. You are not limited to 26 letters.
c) Nobody would organize a VLDB database around a collection of drives, a through z. The storage hierarchy in these very large databases is much more complex and layered.
d) Here's an example of a 1.1 petabyte database running on a Windows platform:
The Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System, (Pan-STARRS) is the example offered by Microsoft when it comes to one of the world's largest databases, with SQL Server 2008 at its infrastructure. The Redmond company indicated that the Pan-STARRS architects are building a massive 1.1 petabytes (quadrillion bytes) of disk storage for the celestial imagery which would be provided by four telescopes via 1.4-gigapixel resolution digital cameras. At this point in time, with just a single functioning telescope, Pan-STARRS is producing 1.4 terabytes of imagery each night.
“There are only a handful of databases that large in the world,” revealed Ted Kummert, corporate vice president of the Data and Storage Platform Division at Microsoft.
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1 edit | said by LiamJunket :said by TCub :If they have the cash to burn on crap like this.... They must charge their customers an arm and a leg. I have Cox and we have our TV and Internet for about $100 I think. Not too bad for digital cable and WWW. A 500 terabyte server farm costs next to nothing for even a medium size business. What an ignorant BS - you obviously don't have a clue about HPC storage pricing otherwise you wouldn't call a $500k starter price tag nothing (and besides the iron you'll need the shared fs, the collaboration environment, the data processing apps etc).
FYI: when I bought a 20TB but 1.5GB/s rated system ~18 months ago I paid over $200k - and I got a bargain.
For Comcast the cost is inconsequential and would be easily dwarfed by the extra revenue they would get from the higher prices targeted ads would garner.
Assuming they can fool people into consent - otherwise they will get SUED and handed over their corporate stupid asses for stealing and selling private information.
Yes, my browsing habits, search info etc are MY information thus it's MY PROPERTY - and no parasite monopolies like Comcast can get away with it, mwhahaha.
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by Eat Me :said by LiamJunket :said by TCub :If they have the cash to burn on crap like this.... They must charge their customers an arm and a leg. I have Cox and we have our TV and Internet for about $100 I think. Not too bad for digital cable and WWW. A 500 terabyte server farm costs next to nothing for even a medium size business. For Comcast the cost is inconsequential and would be easily dwarfed by the extra revenue they would get from the higher prices targeted ads would garner. Depends on what type of storage. I've worked on everything from small arrays to large EMC Symmetrix SANs. We paid over $100,000 for a 15TB SAN array the other day. This was the low end. The high end gets into the millions of dollars. If you're using cheap drives in a cheap array it can be cheap. But if you're using enterprise class storage it can get pricey. Exactly and beyond the storage size and bandwidth your shared fs licenses ($3-4k per seat) can run into tens of thousands of dollars, depending on your server/access configuration, all this on top of your FC or Infiniband hw costs.
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! Mine is from here: »www.datadirectnet.com/
I put two Storage Server 2k3 R2 w/ multi-Gb eth on front of it via 4 gig FC, to do FC->LAN and FS/metadata and the rest of the host ports connected to a 16-port 4 gig switch.
What FS are you guys using?
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join:2001-02-14
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by Eat Me :said by kamm :What FS are you guys using? Filesystems? For the Linux boxes it's LVM with ReiserFS. For Solaris we're using vxvm/vxfs. Ahh so you're not running shared FS. That's the nice and easy way of living. 
BTW Reiser got 15 to life last year, you know that, right?
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join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by kamm :said by Eat Me :said by kamm :What FS are you guys using? Filesystems? For the Linux boxes it's LVM with ReiserFS. For Solaris we're using vxvm/vxfs. Ahh so you're not running shared FS. That's the nice and easy way of living. BTW Reiser got 15 to life last year, you know that, right? Yeah I know. 
I used to work at a much larger DC where we had Veritas Cluster filesystem, RAC and the like. They had a couple hundred TB of storage. This was a financial company.
Now I'm at a different place that deals primarily in media. It's quite a different environment. A lot of our storage is for video content, including HD streaming and on-demand for cable companies.
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| Re: money money money money..... MONEY! said by Eat Me :Yeah I know. I used to work at a much larger DC where we had Veritas Cluster filesystem, RAC and the like. They had a couple hundred TB of storage. This was a financial company. Now I'm at a different place that deals primarily in media. It's quite a different environment. A lot of our storage is for video content, including HD streaming and on-demand for cable companies. Completely different needs. Not necessarily: we deal with high-res media as well, scientific stuff but the main SAN users are usually the 3d/fx guys.
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00000 | Re: is this only I imagine they could hit the analog subscribers with this by injecting ads at remote head ends in different parts of town. They could target digital subscribers to the individual users by streaming the adds to their setup box. | |
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join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
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| said by c0wzg0m00 :for digital cable subscribers? i dont see how this will work for non digital subs Don't expect the cablecos to allow folks to stay on analog for long after the digital switchover. | |
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| It won't work on me either. I returned my digital box, downgraded to limited basic and plugged the cable directly into my TV with Clear QAM tuner.
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Bellingham, WA | Thank God for Tivo-HD and it's one way cableCARD tuner They won't be getting any usuable data from me.  | |
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TwoCpus4me
join:2003-10-16
| These fokking cable company scum Charging $90 - $120 per month for commodity service, and then sticking it to you with illegally obtained monitoring data so they can jam commericials back in your face (that you pay through the a$$ for).
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: These fokking cable company scum said by TwoCpus4me :sticking it to you with illegally obtained monitoring data so they can jam commericials back in your face It is NOT against the law to collect that data - at least not yet. There is maybe an FTC ruling that they would have to NOTIFY the customer that they are doing it.
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| Re: These fokking cable company scum said by LiamJunket :said by TwoCpus4me :sticking it to you with illegally obtained monitoring data so they can jam commericials back in your face It is NOT against the law to collect that data - at least not yet. There is maybe an FTC ruling that they would have to NOTIFY the customer that they are doing it. Stop spreading BS, please - it IS because the right to privacy trumps corporate greed.
The fact that our completely broken government, corrupt corporate worms like Martin@FCC does not enforce anything nor give a flying frog about us does not make it legal for cablecorpses to sell MY property (my information, that is.)
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| The problem is... The tv viewer habits, are moving from addressable interactiv cable boxes to, well... bittorrent. Still trackbable, but can't exactly target commercials to these people.. the ripping from tv edits out the commercials, even something as problematic as SNL. | |
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join:2005-09-28
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| Where are the privacy whackos? So why are they not freaking out over this? This is really not that much different than web adds that are served to you after looking at your surfing habits.
And yes I used the term whacko. It's for the ones that somehow think that a 3rd party can find every intimate detail about you because they they know that 10.234.3.4 likes to search for hard drives and now they send Segate adds to them instead of Smiling Bob adds.
IF I have to look at adds somewhere I would at least prefer they be for something that I might be interested in buying. Then again if you use ad block software it's a moot point. | |
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Woodbridge, VA | 500TB doesn't sound like very much I have over 20TB at home just for me. 500TB seems like a tiny amount for that many people. | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
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| Or... do away with ads altogether--I ignore ads/commercials entirely anyway (doesn't everyone? ...OK, almost everyone). Remember what cable used to be? All "premium" channels with no "ads". Now they're not even apologetic about throwing in commercial time, even to the point of totally overlaying content... just one reason why I'll never pay for the "privilege" of watching channels that contain commercials.
Commercials... coming to a billboard TV near you. Ads... making everything you buy cost more (yet having little effect on actual purchasing decisions). | |
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It Is Almost Fast
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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| annoying Its annoying enough now when Comcast cuts in the regional / local ads over the top of the normal, national ads.. as a fan of commercials (how they're made, the gimmicks used, and so on.. ) I find it quite annoying that some lame local carpet Co. ad is stepping on the ad that SOME COMPANY PAID FOR AND IS OF BETTER MERIT (ARTISTICALLY)
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clubs: | Re: annoying Get satellite. I only see local commercials on the local channels. There were so many stupid local and Cox commercials it was driving me crazy. | |
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join:2009-01-12
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| Re: annoying You can't be serious. Echostar(DishNetwork) has been sending your data to Google for 2 years now for this very purpose. Every time you hit a button on your remote, that key press is recorded. They know you turn the channel whenever person X comes on tv. They know you only watch an 'adult' show for 4.8 minutes.
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join:2003-04-10
Tucker, GA
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| . Lol, that was funny RLH_115
1.5TB drives are not Enterprise and should not be used in a san. They are not even nearline.
Something like a netapp FAS3000 or FAS6000 would work just fine. Lots of large buisneses have large SANs like this.
My guess is they already have quite a few SANs for their VOD services. | |
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Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Feh "Data Warehouse"? You can fit 720TB in a single rack using something like the Sun Fire X4500/X4540. One rack does not a data warehousemake. | |
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West Columbia, SC
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| Re: Feh said by Eat Me :said by Guspaz :"Data Warehouse"? You can fit 720TB in a single rack using something like the Sun Fire X4500/X4540. One rack does not a data warehousemake. The term "Data warehouse" doesn't literally mean a warehouse full of hardware. This is actually right up my companies alley...I wonder if we're being considered....interesting, I will have to check on it. | |
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join:2002-06-04
Richardson, TX
| PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong... Am I interpreting this correctly? When I search for red head porn online, now I am going to be advertised to while watching American Idol about some red head porn site?
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join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA | Re: Panasas 6200 Networked Attached Storage It isn't going to happen, it already has.
The up-front cost is really pennies to a monop...er, company. And they're splitting the cost as several operators are in on this shenanigan. | |
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Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x
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join:2001-03-30
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