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| Diachotomy So DOCSIS 3.0 will allow me to reach my 250 GB cap by the 10th of the month instead of the 20th? That is a tecnological triumph. | |
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 |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Diachotomy Faster speeds doesnt increase how much you download....it just makes your downloads faster. | |
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1 edit | Re: Diachotomy As he said it "Allows" him to reach his cap faster not makes him hit his cap faster
and actualy he "Could" reach it in half a day
(50Mbit/8bit-Byte-conv*60sec*60min*24hours)=540,000Mbytes/day possible
but that doesn't mean he has to | |
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| | | Bill03Premium
join:2007-11-26
Richmond, VA | Re: Diachotomy Unless he is downloading 24/7 from REALLY slow sites.
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| | | | said by baineschile:Faster speeds doesnt increase how much you download....it just makes your downloads faster. With faster speeds comes more availability as well. You were limited previously by certain speed, now with more speed, you can do more in the same time. You have not changed the time you spent doing something, you have merely changed the quantity. What the idiots at many ISPs seem to think is that all of a sudden you have more time but you will not have any interest in anything else. If I am going to school to study business, and I find all of a sudden I have the ability to do more work in less time, then I can also persue my interest in Chemistry too. See, I had interest in Chemistry all along, the thing is I did not have the free time in the day for it so I did not also do it. With more time I can do more.
Simple example of Broadband: I spent two hours downloading a 3GB demo. Now I can download that demo in one hour since speeds have doubled, therefore I can also now download the other demo as well in the same time I use to spend downloading one.(Yes, I know you can actually download more than 3GB with the previous and new speeds. It was merely an example.)
WITH MORE SPEEDS DOES COME MORE USAGE. There won't be any extra usage if you were one of the simpletons who merely payed for broadband for e-mail.
Let's say I was hosting one room of 8 people before. With the new increase of upload, I can now host a 16 people room. There really does come more usage with more speeds. | |
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| | | baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI Reviews:
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| Re: Diachotomy Heres another analogy
Even if one iota of that were true, you're still missing the big picture. You would need to pursue a degree in business, chemistry, microbiology, physics, economics, literature, accounting, marketing, advertising, get phd's in all of them (in one month time), to come CLOSE to the 250Gb cap.
I know caps have a lot of negative issues, but 250 is completely reasonable. | |
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| | |  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| said by Aozora:Simple example of Broadband: I spent two hours downloading a 3GB demo. Now I can download that demo in one hour since speeds have doubled, Huh? So you sit and do nothing wile you watch a download? | |
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| Re: Diachotomy said by CUBS_FAN:I guess the cartoon of the paper flying into a folder is pure entertainment.  I miss the hour-glass in XP. | |
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|  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | From originally 1500kbps to now 16000kbps, I still do REALLY good to hit 35GB per month.
Getting my files faster than ever - that is a triumph!
More speed doesn't mean I have to, or will, download more... or that there is more for me to even consider downloading.
For the majority of Comcast HSI subs, this "cap" means nothing anyways.
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| | | | Re: Diachotomy said by dadkins:From originally 1500kbps to now 16000kbps, I still do REALLY good to hit 35GB per month. Getting my files faster than ever - that is a triumph! More speed doesn't mean I have to, or will, download more... or that there is more for me to even consider downloading. For the majority of Comcast HSI subs, this "cap" means nothing anyways. Probably.
But within the last few years, and even just last year, content providers have found more innovative ways to use the internet which weren't possible with lower speed connections.
Things like online backup and HD video streaming are now a reality with high speed connections becoming widely available. Computers are also getting faster and are now coming with multiple cores.
When people realize they can do these things, they will, and they'll end up using more bandwidth.
Four years ago not that many watched the Presidential inauguration online. In 2009 it was a record online turnout.
TV over IP is taking off bigtime. No, not your regular channels on the regular schedule, but stuff like Netflix, Hulu and high quality video clips from news sites like CNN and Fox News.
Content providers are finding ways to use the additional speed, and they're (we're) not going to stop. The ISPs can't turn a blind eye. | |
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| | | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Re: Diachotomy Right!
I am a member at a few of those online video sites, and VUZE.
Use them nearly everyday.
I also download movies.
Thing is, I am still right at that 35GB per month mark.
Same usage(+/- 5GB) as I was doing back at 4mbps, then 8mbps, and now here at 16mbps.
My stuff just gets here a whole lot faster.
Also, many Comcast subs don't even know what speed is, let alone how to tweak to get it all, how to use it, or even know where to use it.
As has been stated for years now - the "hogs" are that 0.01%(?) of the customer base.
What's 0.01% of 14.6 million. 1460?
0.1% of 14.6m - 14600?
So, *worst case* scenario is 14,585,400 customers that have nothing to worry about...
and 14600 need to rethink their usage patterns or - ?
Actually, me at 35GB can be considered being a hog, according to Comcast and their 2-3GB average user.
No worries! 
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|  jjoshuaPremium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
kudos:1 | Are you actually going to download more stuff when the speed increases? Otherwise, this makes no sense.
Share your logic. | |
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| |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Re: Diachotomy said by jjoshua:Are you actually going to download more stuff when the speed increases? Otherwise, this makes no sense. Share your logic. That argument is thrown around a lot here by the "sky is falling" conspiracy theorists.
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| You are thinking about speeds and caps all wrong.
Think of it like driving... How fast you go and how far you go are two very different things.
Yesterday it took you 10min to download that file... today it will take you 5 min to download that same file...
Whether you decide to download more files is a completely separate and independent decision. | |
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| |  CUBS_FANNext Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
kudos:1 | Re: Diachotomy If your mouth gets an upgrade and you can swallow double the amount of alcohol, it will let you get drunk faster. Do you plan on drinking yourself to death? | |
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| docsis 3.0 does not change what u do . it just makes it faster. so because comcast comes out with faster speed that means you are going to change what u do on the internet now and download a lot more. most people habits dont change just the speed. most people dont come close to 250gb | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
1 edit | said by I Love Comcast :
So DOCSIS 3.0 will allow me to reach my 250 GB cap by the 10th of the month instead of the 20th? That is a tecnological triumph.
Wow.. it never fails.. this is always the first post.. you think you can give this a rest? It's a dead horse beaten to death, ran over, and drug through the field.. it's not even funny any more.
Besides, how many people have been complaining about hitting the 250gb cap? Seems to me that the barking has quieted. Maybe the "issue" isn't much of an issue, rather, just BBR user FUD. | |
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| | | | Re: Diachotomy Well I think it happens to some of us who don't know about this 250Gig limit. I think its happening to me, though Comcast denies it. My internet speed has slowed to less that 500 KBps and Comcast insists everything looks fine from their end. I even replaced the modem and I still get very slow speeds.
The only change this month was that I signed up with Mozy to backup my hard drive to their service, my hard drive is about 200Gig. I also use Netflix HD service. I have a feeling that all this put it over the limit and they are slowing my speed down.
The problem is they keep denying this, so I still don't know for sure how I can find out for sure. | |
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 Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
Austin, TX
kudos:7 | I guess when things start getting THAT fast 4Mbps doesn't really matter all that much.... 
Must be nice. | |
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Re: I guess when things start getting THAT fast said by Logan 5:4Mbps doesn't really matter all that much.... Must be nice. For me, it's all about the upload speed.
I originally went for "Speed" to get the higher upload.
Since very few sites can deliver 2MB/sec anyways, and the lower priced service will have the same 2mbps upload, saving that $10 does look appealing.
22/5 for an additional $10 - we'll have to see.
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| |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by dadkins:said by Logan 5:4Mbps doesn't really matter all that much.... Must be nice. For me, it's all about the upload speed. I agree. I have a 15/2 provider and while 15 is nice, I'd easily downgrade to the 9Mbps or 6Mbps package they offered if it didn't decrease my upstream speed. My provider offer a 30/5 tier, but $159 a month they want for it is just not practical. | |
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| | Residential only? Is the new DOCSIS 3.0 only on the residential side? I checked the online qualifier for my office. It shows the new speeds available on the residential side but not the comcast.net business side.
Outdated database? Or not available to businesses?
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
·Comcast
| Re: Residential only? For the most current info about service at your exact business location, it's a good idea to call the local comcast business office (or your CC biz. rep. if you are already a CC business customer). Online DB may be behind, too general for your EXACT address, or (unfortunatly) wrong. | |
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| | | said by swilliams:Is the new DOCSIS 3.0 only on the residential side? I checked the online qualifier for my office. It shows the new speeds available on the residential side but not the comcast.net business side. Outdated database? Or not available to businesses? I was just wondering the exact same thing here! | |
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| | ditka_bPremium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | Re: Residential only? I called and in chicago suburbs it won't be untill mid feb. when the docsis 3 speeds will be added/changed for business accounts. | |
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| | huh? I live in the Buckhead area of Atlanta. No "widebomb" has been dropped here. | |
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|  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | Re: huh? said by MoneyBags :
I live in the Buckhead area of Atlanta. No "widebomb" has been dropped here.
I'm also in Buckhead area, still on the 6/1 service, no changes here. I guess since AT&T hasn't brought U-Verse to this area yet either, Comcast isn't interested in doing any upgrades.
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join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA | DOCSIS 3.0 is awesome--IF comcast will give you a modem DOCSIS 3.0 launched in Arlington, Virginia several weeks ago, but my experience upgrading to 22/5 suggests Comcast has dropped the ball in informing its technicians and service representatives that the new service tier requires a DOCSIS 3.0 modem--the SB6120, I believe, is the only such modem Comcast currently offers.
Comcast already sent a clueless tech out to my place to upgrade my speed, but they failed to actually give the tech a DOCSIS 3 modem. And my local Comcast office has no idea about the SB6120. I've called Comcast several times and they have no ability to verify they're even capable of getting a DOCSIS 3.0 modem to me. | |
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1 edit | 22/5 Makes sense If your able to get a D3 modem is allows for greater powerboost and more consistant speeds (if it bonds 2+ channels)
as some in the comcast\d3 thread have shown in speed tests some people on 22/5 get powerboosted to 60 or more
so 50/10 might sound great but at double the price its not worth it
now hurry up and get D3 to baytown | |
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| I don't need faster speeds right now I'll take a price reduction, thank you.
The only way that faster speeds help is if:
1. You have more than a few computers surfing at the same time.
2. You surf a web site that can actually serve content at 16Mbs.
3. You use P2P. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Nice... Just got something in the mail from Comcast on Friday, saying to reset my cable modem for even faster speeds. And this morning the Comcast.com online system has the D3 speeds available at my home (although they add the $3 modem rental fee right from the start, so it's $65.95 and $142.95 for the 22/5 and 50/5 tier respectively -- I guess BYOM isn't available yet?)
I may bump up to the 22/5 tier for a while and see how it goes. I was thinking of trimming down the DirecTV package a bit since we're not watching the premiums as much lately. | |
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|  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
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| Re: Nice... said by jester121:(although they add the $3 modem rental fee right from the start, so it's $65.95 and $142.95 for the 22/5 and 50/5 tier respectively -- I guess BYOM isn't available yet?) Current MSRP on the DOCSIS 3 modems is still around $500/unit. Even assuming you get one on the open market for 35% off MSRP you're looking at $325.
At a rental rate of $3/mo, it would take 109 months (over 9 years) before you break even. | |
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| | jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Nice... I figured as much. My next question will be, since I have Digital Voice, is there a combo unit so I can only pay the $3 once? Right now I have my owned Linksys cable modem along with the whatcha-ma-callit voice box thingie. | |
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| |  EGThe wings of lovePremium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
kudos:9 | said by espaeth:said by jester121:(although they add the $3 modem rental fee right from the start, so it's $65.95 and $142.95 for the 22/5 and 50/5 tier respectively -- I guess BYOM isn't available yet?) Current MSRP on the DOCSIS 3 modems is still around $500/unit. Even assuming you get one on the open market for 35% off MSRP you're looking at $325. At a rental rate of $3/mo, it would take 109 months (over 9 years) before you break even. Another consideration is that I don't believe that they will even provision a non rented modem for service on their network as of yet. | |
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| Downgrading I am in the same boat, I got 16Meg for free but will downgrade at the next billing cycle. 12MB is plenty even for streaming video. As for 250G cap, it time for a reality check, even with downloading lessons and streaming video I do not even come close. | |
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| | Coming soon to Philadelphia in 20?? Something else from Comcast that it's home town of Philly will get last.
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| | | Re: Coming soon to Philadelphia in 20?? You will probably see it as soon as the FiOS franchise agreement is passed, no reason for them to rush when there is no competition. | |
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|  nipseyrusselNipsey Russell, yo
join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA | the article says it hit philadelphia last april, no?
is that true? i dont think i am upgraded. how can you tell? | |
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| | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: Coming soon to Philadelphia in 20?? said by nipseyrussel:the article says it hit philadelphia last april, no? is that true? i dont think i am upgraded. how can you tell? The Twin Cities (Minnesota) piloted the service in April of last year, other markets didn't start coming along until the fall.
You can see if your area is upgraded here: »www.comcast.com/fastestfast/ | |
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join:2005-04-12
San Francisco, CA | DOCSIS in San Francisco I talked to Concast customer service about DOCSIS timeline for San Francisco and the technician laughed and said that SF was WAY down on the list. | |
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| percosan
join:2002-03-13
San Francisco, CA | Re: DOCSIS in San Francisco Sad but true ... I am also in SF and deeply involved in DOCSIS 3 ... so, color me bummed.
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| Code3
join:2008-11-20
San Francisco, CA | We'll see how it goes. I work for SF Comcast and no word has made it to us for the launch other than first quarter 09. This next week we're supposed to start handing out DTAs but nothing about DOCSIS3.
Although I heard corporate dumped a Docsis3 switch on another system without warning - the ole' flip the switch thing. So it may just happen. | |
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| | Got something going in Dover, NH (near Portsmouth) Reset my modem this weekend and now I get about 8.5/2 mbps. I think it's supposed to be 12/2 mbps, but my network always gets bogged down. As much as I hate caps right now 250GB isn't hurting. However if I get a subscription to DL HD movies, then I might have problems. | |
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| Why is it?! Why is it that Cablevision can do 15/2 for $29.95-49.95 (single/dual-triple play) and Verizon can do 20/5 for $54.95 and 20/20 for $64.95 and Comcast still thinks they can get away with overcharging for their top tier, throttling and have an aggregate data cap?!?
It would only seem fair that their competition in these markets not only do better... but exploit Comcast's weakness of their high prices and limited use in their advertising.
Why bother to upgrade to docsis 3.0 if your going to gouge your customers anyway? & who cares if the terms of service are going to suck. What a waste of money.. hope they take a bath on docsis 3.0 by losing customers above and beyond what they already will lose due to the weakening economy. | |
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| espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: Why is it?! said by tmc8080:Why is it that Cablevision can do 15/2 for $29.95-49.95 (single/dual-triple play) and Verizon can do 20/5 for $54.95 and 20/20 for $64.95 and Comcast still thinks they can get away with overcharging for their top tier Comcast does 12/2 for $33-$42.95 (triple-play to video bundle) in the DOCSIS 3 upgraded markets, which is pretty much in line with the OOL offering.
22/5 service is $62.95, so it's only a few bucks more than Verizon's 20/5 service. There isn't currently the capability to do 20/20 in a mass deployment on DOCSIS systems yet, so that eliminates that as being an option.
50/10 is $139.95 with Comcast, and 50/20 is $139.95 with FiOS. Again, DOCSIS limitations are the biggest reason for not being able to counter with a 20mbps upstream offering. | |
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|  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by tmc8080:Why is it that Cablevision can do 15/2 for $29.95-49.95 (single/dual-triple play) and Verizon can do 20/5 for $54.95 and 20/20 for $64.95 and Comcast still thinks they can get away with overcharging for their top tier, throttling and have an aggregate data cap?!? It would only seem fair that their competition in these markets not only do better... but exploit Comcast's weakness of their high prices and limited use in their advertising. Why bother to upgrade to docsis 3.0 if your going to gouge your customers anyway? & who cares if the terms of service are going to suck. What a waste of money.. hope they take a bath on docsis 3.0 by losing customers above and beyond what they already will lose due to the weakening economy. hey I'm paying $50 a month for Charter's 10/1. If 16/2 was available in my area it would cost $70. What Comast is charging seems like a good deal to me. Not ot mention at least Comcast sems liek it's wanting to bring higher sppeds to al areas. Some Charter areas have had 16/2 for nearly 2 years meanwhile in my area there is no timetable for 16/2. | |
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| | Does anyone know? Does anyone know of a map detailing where DOCSIS 3.0 exists and is planned? I'd love to see one... | |
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| tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: Does anyone know? said by mlundin:Does anyone know of a map detailing where DOCSIS 3.0 exists and is planned? I'd love to see one...
So would their competitors, so they could adjust their roll outs to beat them to the punch.
Highly unlikely to hear about a given market until they are ready. | |
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join:2003-04-23
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join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | Told the comcast forum weeks ago.. I posted saying this was going to happen weeks ago. Not bragging or anything, just some people said I don't know nothing. | |
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1 edit | Do Sacramento soon please For all the connection issues I've had last week with the connection not working period 40% of the time all would be forgiven if DOCSIS3 was rolled out here very soon. =) | |
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| | | Re: Do Sacramento soon please I'd love to see it come to the sacramento area as well. As it is right now I'm being tortured as Surewest has high speed fiber service available one street over from my house in roseville lol. Unfortunately if history continues Comcast Sacramento always gets the shaft and gets new upgrades last behind the rest of the markets in the country. So I'm cautiously optimistic. | |
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Surewest FTTH service is right across the street from my condo community and yet Surewest has no interest in bringing it to us despite the fact that each building which has 6 homes each already have cat5 drops in the commroom which would make it as simple as connecting the cat5 drop to a fiber fed ONT within the comm room. But despite my efforts (and talking to HOA manager and him wanting to speak to surewest manager to make it happen) Surewest only does greenlit MDU areas and gave me the finger.
That leaves me between AT&T U-Verse and Comcast and I went with Comcast given that DOCSIS 3 has so much more potential than VDSL. Comcast has been pretty good so far except this past week has been brutal with packet loss and connection issues. I'm hoping this was for potential DOCSIS3 upgrades because it usually is never that bad. And from a compitition standpoint it would be wise to offer it considering they compete with AT&T AND Surewest. | |
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| | | | | Re: Do Sacramento soon please I also live in a Condo Complex in the Natomas Area of Sacramento and same story with Surewest, they can't give you the high speeds due to what you said. I got Comcast and it worked fine until the last 2 weeks when I started getting barely 400kbps. Calls to Comcast were of no help as they kept saying everything "looks fine" from their end.
I even switched to another cable modem by exchanging it and still the same slow speeds. I wonder if I have hit their 250Gig limit (since i was backing up my hard drive to Mozy) and also use Roku/Netflix to watch some HD movies.
Or maybe its a temporary problem in my area which they are not admitting to. | |
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
1 edit | Still nothing here.. Still on 6/1 tier in NW Indiana.
Comcast is mainly upgrading where U-Verse or FiOS is. Hence Fort Wayne, IN, and only the Chicago suburbs and not GREATER CHICAGO AREA. | |
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|  FredEx
join:2002-05-16
Niles, MI | Re: Still nothing here.. I'm in Michigan, just north of South Bend, IN and there is no change here even though we are in the "Chicago Market" area. I have 16/2 right now. | |
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| | The modem... Man, that Comcast box is the ugliest thing i've ever seen (even worse than the current Arris boxes). Cmon Comcast, those things are nasty looking. | |
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join:2003-04-23
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