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clubs: | standards what keeps delaying the implementation of these standard such as docsis 3.0 and the new wireless n standard? I know we could say dragging their feets but why?
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: standards Remember the geeks/nerds that got picked on in school? Those are the people sitting on the standards committees now, and they're determined to bask in the limelight of their fleeting power for as long as possible. | |
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Go Colts
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| Re: standards I would agree that some standards body are very slow due to the political nature of things. However I think it's better to have a slow standards body that gets it mostly right the first time then one that rushes everything out the door as soon as it enters, bugs and/or issues included. While getting the latest technology stabilized and approved quickly can be advantageous, it can create a real headache for manufacturers and consumers when v1 and v1.1 and v1.2 aren't compatible with each other because there were major changes between them.
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join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | Bandwidth Great DOCSIS 3.0, but with that a 100GB bandwidth limit, so now you can max out even faster | |
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join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH | Re: Bandwidth I was thinking the same thing. As a Comcast customer, what's the point in giving me more bandwidth if I'm not allowed to use it? | |
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| Re: Bandwidth said by daslog  :I was thinking the same thing. As a Comcast customer, what's the point in giving me more bandwidth if I'm not allowed to use it? So you spend less seconds waiting between the content you view. Allows for higher bursts. And lets you get done with ur online stuff faster since there is a limit to how much online stuff u can do per month (caps lol). | |
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| said by neufuse :Great DOCSIS 3.0, but with that a 100GB bandwidth limit, so now you can max out even faster 100 GB? is someone pulling numbers out of their butt? the cut off is generally around 200 GB's but can be higher or lower....me personally I can rack up quite a bit of bandwidth 200+ GB's on the rare month....generally its above 100 though...
still no call for me....
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| Re: Bandwidth 100GB was a joke (sarcasim involved).. Mainly because comcast bases the number off of how much bandwidth the headend sees used... so it could be 100 could be 200, could be 300 all depending on how much usage your network gets in your area hasnt been 100 yet, but if more people have more speed, that may be obtainable | |
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| said by Loker :said by neufuse :Great DOCSIS 3.0, but with that a 100GB bandwidth limit, so now you can max out even faster 100 GB? is someone pulling numbers out of their butt? the cut off is generally around 200 GB's but can be higher or lower....me personally I can rack up quite a bit of bandwidth 200+ GB's on the rare month....generally its above 100 though... still no call for me.... Some people have received the letter of death for as little as 30 gigs uploaded.
Ironically - it was legitimate(sending home studio sessions between a few people).
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| said by neufuse :Great DOCSIS 3.0, but with that a 100GB bandwidth limit, so now you can max out even faster Well hopefully with this rollout, those letters will be a rarity. Its giving the network more bandwidth, so the hogs wouldnt be such a problem. | |
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02107 | Blowhard The more he talks the more hot air comes out of his mouth. | |
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join:2004-05-24 | So what? Who cares?!
Give me a DOCSIS 1.0 modem with @home (remember them?) service, an uncapped modem and no bandwidth restrictions. | |
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join:2006-12-21
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1 edit | Re: So what? Nothing is going to change. Unless Comcast is forced by the courts to change their fuzzy AUP, the "unknown to subscribers" bandwidth cap limit will still be in place only people will reach it faster and more people will be booted off.
This is a nightmare already happening for Comcast. | |
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| Re: So what? said by CLEVELTECH :Nothing is going to change. Unless Comcast is forced by the courts to change their fuzzy AUP, the bandwidth cap limit will still be in place only people will reach it faster and more people will be booted off. This is a nightmare already happening for Comcast. if more people will be reaching it then in theory since Comcast's cap evolves unlike a set cap it will react and go up allowing people to download more...
I really don't get why you people want them to set a cap...it is going to be set low and then a lot of the people who are whining they got a warning for downloading 400 GB's will end up whining they got booted for downloading 40.....
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3 edits | Re: So what? Listen to me, there are ways to control and balance the network where one person does not degrade another's connection. Verizon, Cox, SBC and others do it. I don't understand why Comcast doesn't or won't.
I don't understand why you have a problem with knowing what the cap limit is. Other ISPS have it and state it.
They have a cap limit because 115,000 people have been cut off by them. This is a problem that will not go away. Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is. Sooner or later you yourself will cross that unknown to you bandwidth cap and you're gonna receive the call, then what are you going to do?
I've talked to people who don't download much, don't stream video, don't FTP and they themselves were cut off. It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about.
I don't want them to set a cap, rather I want them to ADMIT there is a cap and STOP LYING to people. There's a big difference. | |
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| Re: So what? said by CLEVELTECH :Listen to me, there are ways to control and balance the network where one person does not degrade another's connection. Verizon, Cox, SBC and others do it. I don't understand why Comcast doesn't or won't. I don't understand why you have a problem with knowing what the cap limit is. Other ISPS have it and state it. They have a cap limit because 115,000 people have been cut off by them. This is a problem that will not go away. Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is. Sooner or later you yourself will cross that unknown to you bandwidth cap and you're gonna receive the call, then what are you going to do? I've talked to people who don't download much, don't stream video, don't FTP and they themselves were cut off. It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about. 115,000 LOL - HOLY CRAP, what else can you pull out of your ass ?
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02107 | Re: So what? Get a brain and do the math:
Comcast claims 11 million HSI subscribers
They claim it's the top 1% of network abusers THEREFORE
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Callahan, FL | Re: So what? I know your upset being kicked off for being a bandwith hog but is that all you got. You are twisting words. Comcast has never said that they have kicked off 1% of their CHSI subs.
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1 edit | Re: So what? I just want the truth that's all. I'm not asking for the world man. And you will find that it is not just me that this has happened to. There are many people out there that share the same story as I.
Comcast clearly states it's the top 1% of network "abusers" that get booted off. That right there is admitting it. And if it is true then the numbers don't lie. They have reasons to lie and keep the public at large unaware that they do this.
When I was interviewed by the Boston Globe as to what happened to me it was very alarming to come to find out just how many people (in my state as well as outside of it) that this has happened to and even the reporter was quite confused by the lack of response by Comcast on this issue. She (like so many) had no idea that Comcast does this. | |
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| Time to get backed to Hooked on Phonics. The recent Boston.com article said top 0.01%, not top 1%. No one kicks out 1 in every 100 customers.
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Rick
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clubs: 
| Of course Comcast controls and balances their network.
What they don't, and shouldn't do however, is to allow a very select few people who for some very strange reason feel they're entitled to download 200 + gigs a month on a 43.00 per month service, to completely dominate and degrade their neighbors connections.
By the very nature of the technology behind our connections, this is a SHARED medium and I think that those who do this don't respect their neighbors one single bit.
Comcast, nor any residential provider for that matter, simply does not owe their customers paying this kind of price..access to a service that lets them download that much data per month.
If an individual were to ever go out and try to lease their own line with these speeds that allowed that..they would be paying 10 times what they do at least compared to what they pay Comcast now.
Some around BBR constantly try to use the argument that Comcast says this is an "unlimited" service. That is not what their TOS says. It says that if someone is impacting their neighbors or the network as a whole, their service can be suspended and cut off. And KUDOS to Comcast for enforcing this.
Don't get me wrong. I am NOT against people who want or need to download that kind of data per month. I AM against them however feeling that for this level of service, that Comcast owes them the right to do so. And, I am against them not realizing how their activities might affect other peoples connections.
What these people SHOULD do is to make other arrangements if possible for multiple connections or to explore whatever options might be out there for business level tiers of service.
Just because my local Chinese buffet advertises an "all you can eat" lunch buffet for 5.95, it doesn't give me the right to run over everyone in line with a truck and haul the entire serving table out of the restaurant.
Which is exactly what those abusing this service are doing...or trying to anyway.
Again, what many people COULD do who are in this situation is to perhaps subscribe also to a DSL connection and utilize that for part of their activity.
Really, it is all about having some respect for your neighbors and realizing that this technology does have it's limitations.
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| Re: So what? That I understand. But here's the burning question that nobody seems to want to answer: What is acceptable usage?
Not everyone that has gotten booted off was a heavy downloader. Comcast cannot have it both ways where they tell people that there "is no limit" yet at the same time are telling people "limit your usage". | |
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Waterbury, CT
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| Re: So what? Comcast doesn't define it because it can vary from area to area.
In the outskirts of my city, there are those who see much better primetime speeds than we do here in this bigger city. And so, obviously, Comcast can be more lenient when it comes to users there instead of here.
My area is much more congested and was recently transitioned from Adelphia and obviously, theres still work to be done. I have no problems with the service because overall, my time spent on it is 90% off peak times...and everything runs great then.
But, as soon as rush hour hits..people are seeing very degraded speeds in this city. Until they can get it all properly configured and enough bandwidth supplied to this city, it's important that they enforce their TOS closely.
I have faith that they'll do it but it will take time. In the meantime though, I can sympathize with those having problems..because for many people..primetime is the only time they have to use the service.
Really, I think that people need to take it upon themselves to know whether they're a very heavy user or not. We're not talking about occassional downloading here.
We're talking about 200 to 300 gigs a month. If someone doesn't know they fall in that camp..then I think they probably should.
Also, I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I haven't seen people cut off for much less than those levels.
Perhaps there was other issues involved in their misuse of the service.
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02107 | Re: So what? All you have to do is do a search on google and a lot of information concerning the bandwidth limits comcast has in place and you will see that many people have gotten booted off and this is not an isolated issue. | |
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| Re: So what? said by CLEVELTECH :All you have to do is do a search on google and a lot of information concerning the bandwidth limits comcast has in place and you will see that many people have gotten booted off and this is not an isolated issue. Having been around BBR for a long time now, I'm quite aware of several who have gotten booted off their respective services and the reasons behind it.
And, I think it's safe to say, that when it is for bandwidth related issues, Comcasts tolerance level is very high, even up to the 200Gig per month range.
I'm sorry, but I think that is VERY fair of them and more than adequate for the level of RESIDENTIAL service they are providing here to the masses.
I think that it is incumbent upon people who fall into those kinds of ranges to KNOW that they are and to make adequate plans for a service or services that can accommodate their special needs.
It is not fair for you to expect that for 42.95 per month, that this service will be the end all for everything you need it to be. I used to have a company whereby I had and paid for a T1 line into our offices, back in the day when it was 1000.00 + per month. I KNEW what we needed..and knew that that was the level of service which my business demanded, and which I had to pay for. I did not go to my local cable company and try to convince them to run a 40.00 per month residential line into my office and try to claim that I had the right to that..and to unlimited usage on that account.
In just watching your Youtube video located here..
you state clearly that you have and had the means in place to monitor your usage.
»www.youtube.com/profile?user=CLEVELTECH
You KNEW the kinds of bandwidth requirements you had, and that you were downloading and/or uploading mega gigs of data.
You ALSO received a phone call from Comcast, warning you and asking you to moderate your usage.
All of that was a VERY clear warning sign, which you apparently didn't heed.
But now, it's somehow all Comcasts fault for your predicament.
There is ONE thing I strongly agree with you on after watching your video. You seemed very receptive to subscribing to a higher level of service..and paying for it. It would have been good if the company did have something in place to respond to that and for users like you who want and demand more. Again, I don't fault you for your usage..I'm just suggesting that you are looking at the wrong provider to supply it to you.
By the same token however, I don't think you can fault Comcast for not having it either. What they are today ..is what they are. A provider of cable broadband to residential users. I don't think you can demand that they be more than they really want to be as a company, or that they have the network in place for.
Again, and in closing..I really think that for many in your situation..the solution is to have a couple services in place. Both DSL and Cable are relatively cheap these days, and certainly wouldn't equal the cost of a T1.
People like yourselves could split your usage up among the two services and head off this kind of an issue from ever happening in the first place.
But, if it's not available, then I think it's only fair that you research and supply yourself with a service that will fit your needs. And obviously, that will cost more.
But, it should for those who require such levels of service.
Bandwidth is not cheap..especially when you get up to those speeds and capacities.
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| Re: So what? Of course. When I lived in RI I had Cox Communications and paid a lot more for their services and believe me it was great.
And believe me I did try to get a higher account, commercial, ect from Comcast and when I did the research, it would NOT make any difference whatsover. This is why I hate them and the monopoly that they have in Massachusetts. I won't ever get them again. | |
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My views are my own.
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| WHy do you keep asking questions for which you've been answered OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again?
I know why.. because you are waiting for someone to agree with you.
Acceptable usage is defined in your AUP "TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL USE".. Also, they stated that you may impact the use of the network for others.
Further - why does EVERY COMCAST OR CABLE FORUM have to be over run by your tired and continual sotry of how you got booted off?
Do you know how to start a website? Can you use your own site to carry out your war against comcast?
Get off the cross already.. god knows someone else could use the wood.
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The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| said by CLEVELTECH :Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is.... It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about. Who called you a pirate? Am I crazy, or are you the first person to mention the word "pirate"? I didn't see anyone criticize you for what you download.
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My views are my own.
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| Bitter Billy,
Please go read the differences between DOCSIS and DSL and then come back to continue your tirade against Comcast here. You're really boring and it's old. We get it. you downloaded too much, you ignored their warnings, you got cut off and now you star as a turtle in a comcast commercial.
You're not a pirate, I agree. What you are is someone that felt his own rules trumped that of the provider who spelled it out for you.
Your provider told you that you used more than what was considered residential use. You admitted to being unresponsive and now you're running around YouTube looking a fool with little sympathy.
You may have run across people that may not do this or that as you say they claim, but you don't know. People like to lie.. people like to leave things out like they have a wireless AP that isn't secured. Or they download movies and confuse 1.5 hours with "a little bit"..
You got what you wanted.. there is a cap.. you hit that cap.. they don't need to answer to you. They are allowed to sell their service as they see fit. They claim the service is for use in a typical residential environment. They also say you are not allowed to use the service in which is impacts others in the area. You obviously crossed both lines and then told them to jump off and you got discod'. There's a big difference in doing things right and wrong. You did it wrong, Mr. Slowsky.
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| said by Loker :if more people will be reaching it then in theory since Comcast's cap evolves unlike a set cap it will react and go up allowing people to download more... This will only happen IF Comcast upgrades the rest of the network to handle the speeds. If they can't handle the few bandwidth hogs they have now, why even up the speeds if the network can't handle the traffic? | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | they just need to define unlimited, to us in the real world unlimited means no limits. however in legalese it clearly has limits and isnt really unlimited.
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| Re: So what? said by Kearnstd :they just need to define unlimited, to us in the real world unlimited means no limits. however in legalese it clearly has limits and isnt really unlimited. They don't need to "define" anything. Plus, this topic, and my response, has nothing to do with what you're talking about, so you can hold your horses right there. It's THEIR network, and if they think you're causing problems with a 30 gig monthly usage, or a 100 gig monthly usage, it doesn't matter, because simply put, you're affecting your neighbors on the network. I wouldn't classify it as "limited" usage unless they DID impose a cap. Since the only people being kicked off the network are "large usage" users, I think it falls under the acceptable use policy. Don't get all huffy puffy at me because you had problems and I didn't. I can assure you I have used my connection pretty massively, yet, no letter. I use mine for legitimate reasons. I don't clog the pipe with VPN encryption junk. I don't download 10 to 15 pirated DVD's per month. I don't leave P2P apps open, or BitTorrent open all night. I don't run constant video streams 24/7, even when I'm not watching the computer. I DID run a VoIP chatline, that used a bit of bandwidth, but even still, no letter. By policy, Comcast can terminate your service if they see your usage is causing problems and alarms to generate in the headend. Usually when it is known you are the only one affecting others, a report is auto-generated. If you go a couple of months with extremely high usage, it will slide, but if you continue to use it in a disruptive manor, you know what will happen, you will be TOS'd. I consider it unlimited, as in I can't exceed a specified limit because none is specified, but I also know the TOS says if I disrupt others on the node with my usage, then my usage is not considered "average". Seriously folks, argue all you want, Comcast is not going to set a hard cap because it's different per node design, and it goes against the service they offer (per their TOS).
Try this logic on for size. All you can eat places WILL stop feeding you if you exceed a "norm". I have seen newspaper articles with disputes about this, as well as TV comedies, so I know it's common. If you "abuse" the system, knowingly, or unknowingly, it doesn't matter, it's still abuse from YOUR equipment.
There is MANY members in here that use the heck out of their connections, I am one, but there is lots of others that come to mind that have no issues, so until it appears to "be a problem" I say it's not a problem, and Comcast is fair in the way they "clean up" the network. Either limit your use, or go to a slower provider/alternative, because thats all that you'll have left. 
And to the "rediculous" comments about "hitting your cap" sooner. Well, since your being told you have "excessive use" and not "exceeding your limit" I would like to remind you that it takes greater capacity on the network itself to provide the faster speeds, so you have to figure those limits would be adjusted to compensate for the ability to use your connection more. 
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dr2500
join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | Fact DOCSIS 3.0= 160Mbps down and 120Mbps up.
FiOS= 622Mbps down and 155Mbps up currently.
The over all experience with cable services will be a lot better, especially QoS on their network. | |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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Ogden, IA
| Feb 17th 2009 Feb 2009 the analog channels go bye bye. One would think this would be a great time for huge changes. You get tons of bandwidth freed up at the same time get people off of analog TV. Something the Cables have wanted a long time.
You would think the cables would be ready to roll out CPE that will be DOCSIS 3.0 compliant when this day comes. With VoIP integrated also.
When your TV goes dead, you can blame it on the Government. Or...the short sighted CEO can convert DTV back to analog and milk that route also. Pocket the the money and save the next round of upgrades for the next CEO when everyone has HDTV.
Just think....maybe they can cash in those 40 dollar vouchers to pay for the new CPE.
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1 edit | Are you folks sure???
I thought many cables still deliver in analog where you can get basic channels w/o a box. I thought they did both digital and analog and wanted to go to strictly digital.
If this is the case.....they have the chance to get everyone to digital and free up bandwidth.
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USA | It's cause he cancels the service of anyone who uses it It's easy to have plenty of capacity when you cancel the subscription of anyone who actually USES their service.
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Jonesville, MI
| Re: It's cause he cancels the service of anyone who uses it Don't be. Charter "upgraded" much of Michigan to 5mbit and now the speeds are worse than before for many people. Their network simply can't handle it. I do know Charter has a more expensive package, and if Charter hasn't upgraded your network to 5mbit, you might be able to actually obtain those speeds.
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1 edit | in Future News.. Comcast kicks .01% of cable subs because they watch too much tv.
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Loker
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
clubs:
| Re: in Future News.. said by jebba2005 :Comcast kicks .01% of cable subs because they watch too much tv. ok seriously, upgraded networks are always a good thing right? What are you talking about? why would Comcast kick people watching TV?
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jsol69
join:2002-11-30
Pittsfield, MA
| Over Selling Networks Why is it the subscriber's problem when a company like Comcast over sells their network and doesn't want to spend the money to increase their capacity. I am on Verizon DSL and I have a set speed and it is always there, no matter what time of the day it is. Comcast and other cable companies really need to take a look at their business model and stop trying to sell what they can't deliver to people.
There should be some kind of legislation that holds these companies accountable for the services that they provide to their customers, and penalties if they don't meet the service level requirements.
And I know you are going to say that in some areas Verizon has the same problems and they too should be held to the same requirements and not over sell and upgrade the network. | |
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Loker
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
clubs: | Re: Over Selling Networks I always get what I am promised.... | |
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| Shuttle83
join:2005-10-23
Capitol Heights, MD
| I agree with you, but all companies over sell their networks capacity. Verizon with DSL oversold their network, but they had people who could chart and find ways of shaping traffic so that it did not impact the customer as much (kudos for those guys in Traffic Engineering). As far as Comcast, They are a cable company and thus function from a cable company point of view.
Hey these are basically guys who for most of their existence had no competition, fixed prices, were under regulated (if at all), and had a captive customer base. Now the phone company Bell System/Bell Atlantic/Verizon had competition since the early 1980s (divestiture)and entered into other fields of endeavor knowing that they faced regulation beyond what was normal.
Now I am not going to sit here and say that Verizon is without flaw, because as with most companies the bottom line rules as king and quality plays the jester, but at least with Verizon you get what you pay for (for the most part) and the rules don't change on the fly. These companies will always find a way to oversell or over provision their networks, it's how they make money and making money is the business of being in business. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| underlying network Yes, for docsis 3.0, the back-hauls and backbone infrastructure will need to support 10 fold increase in downstream bandwidth.. so those upgrades need to happen immediately if they want a network ready to flip the switch on last mile docsis 3.0 equipment come 2008. Nodes will need additional fibers and line equipment to be supplemented and where necessary, swapped.
Don't forget, all of the docsis 3.0 equipment will be backwards compatible to 2.0, 1.1 standards, to meet the needs of the subscriber base for a given node/geographic region-- so the customer will see nothing, until a new "bandwidth" product gets advertised to the public, or enters "beta testing" phase. | |
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siouxmoux
@comcast.net | For now I would happy if Comcast For now I would happy if Comcast to offer my 16/2mps Internet Access and Deployed DSV an offer 50 HDTV Channels worth Watching | |
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gar187er
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join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE | wow lots of uneducated people talking smack just because this made the front page..... | |
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Comcast DOCSIS 3.0: This Summer?
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