 | | Ahh good ol hijack I just love how easy it is for a company to hijack your browsing session...
Wonder if this works using a third party DNS with DNSCrypt? :P If not guess I would never know.. | |
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 |  bradyrColumbia College ITPremium
join:2008-10-27
Sonora, CA
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| Re: Ahh good ol hijack Well, at least Comcast gets an excuse to use their message injection system/notification system:
»tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6108
next step will be deep packet inspection and/or advertisement message injections ("Did you pay your bill yet?" "Want to have this site load faster?" "Hey, we noticed you're downloading [xyz]") | |
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|  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | Yay for VPN!  | |
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| | Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 | Re: Ahh good ol hijack Won't help you if you are misidentified as a DMCA violator. What if someone clones the MAC address of your cable modem or Comcast does not get their dates straight and you are assigned an IP address used by a pirate. | |
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| | | | | Re: Ahh good ol hijack what makes you think they can legally inspect anything done inside a VPN? | |
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| | | | | | Re: Ahh good ol hijack Not just legally...assuming your vpn is encrypted, there is no way for them to decrypt it. That's the whole point. | |
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| remember folks, comcast is not the one doing the monitoring here, its the CCIs hired firm. The question still remains that if their proof does not stand up in court(Mediasentry was recently told their "evidence" does not reasonably identify a person, only a subscriber household), how can anyone send DMCA or other private notices threatening action of law if there is no evidence to support it? | |
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| | Blockers? NotScripts for Chrome or a popup blocker would get around this I'd assume. So there are no other repercussions for the reported abuse? Seems kind of silly. | |
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| | | Re: Blockers? It goes on your permanent record. | |
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|  kontosxyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY | Not really. The ISP can move you to a network where there is a DNS/Web server that replaces entire webpages with that content. They don't need to do it with scripts or pop-ups. They can put you in a walled garden that isn't really the Internet.
Who know what they do with non HTTP traffic in that situation... | |
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| | | | Re: Blockers? the word missing there is "legally" That goes beyond even comcast and more into the realm of "1st amendment issues" | |
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| | |  GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
join:2001-06-21
Mukwonago, WI | Re: Blockers? What "legal" and "1st amendment issues" are being touched on, exactly? | |
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| Re: Blockers? said by GeekJedi:What "legal" and "1st amendment issues" are being touched on, exactly?
none, but he does not understand that. You pay comcast(or whoever), and are using their private network(last mile), they can pretty much do anything they want to your connection, so long as it does not actively show them what your web browsing sites are(that is still illegal, and requires a warrant). They can send you into a walled garden all the want. Remember, its not comcast or any ISP doing the monitoring, its a third party hired by the CCI(mediasentry), so the ISP is not snooping on your P2P(and its ONLY p2p traffic, like bittorrent) traffic, its mediasentry. | |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
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·Comcast
·Embarq Now Centu..
| Locked up in a walled garden. As I read Comcast's policy, the customers will not allowed access to the internet except for essential websites (which websites considered essential are not defined) unless the customer takes some action to exit the walled garden. If you want to contest a copyright violation letter pay up $35.00. If it was not for the punitive fee and I received such notice and I had never downloaded copyrighted music illegally, I would try to work with the ISP to determine why my account was identified as violating the DMCA. Of course if the the notice was sent because of sloppy work on the part of the ISP's employees, perhaps they would not want to identify why the account holder received notice. | |
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| | | Re: Locked up in a walled garden. if they deny you product for which you're paying you can just cancel the contract with no etf. | |
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| | Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 | Re: Locked up in a walled garden. And go where for internet access? | |
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| | | | | Re: Locked up in a walled garden. said by Mr Matt:And go where for internet access?
Many place have multiple ISP available. | |
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| | | |  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Locked up in a walled garden. said by silentlooker:said by Mr Matt:And go where for internet access?
Many place have multiple ISP available. Not many and those that do have ISPs that also have 6 strike policies. | |
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| | | |  Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | said by silentlooker: Many place have multiple ISP available. Hahaha. Ya, right..
Pick one.. Optimum (well.. Charter now) or CenturyLink. | |
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| | | |  antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by silentlooker:said by Mr Matt:And go where for internet access?
Many place have multiple ISP available. For me: Cable, dial-up, and satellite. See the problem? :P | |
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|  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by Mr Matt:As I read Comcast's policy, the customers will not allowed access to the internet except for essential websites (which websites considered essential are not defined) unless the customer takes some action to exit the walled garden.
I believe they used the term essential SERVICES. Meaning your voice calls will still work, and your home security application will work. But you wouldn't be able to browse anywhere as long as the browser hijack is active.
»customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···services
quote:
Comcast designed our browser alert system not to interfere with a subscriber’s essential services, such as digital telephone service (for example to call 911) whoever the telephone service provider, email, security or health service.
And when they say email will work, they mean their email system, not a web email app like gmail.
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I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders. | |
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 Fangz
join:2000-10-11
Magna, UT | How to prove your guilty... It will be hard to prove your guilty when the courts have stated that you can't link and IP to an individual.
For those individuals that do not have their wireless locked down, this will be a call to get it done. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: How to prove your guilty... This isn't about proving your guilt. Rather it seems about you attempting to prove your innocence, or at least jumping through hoops to get your connection back. | |
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: How to prove your guilty... said by openbox9:This isn't about proving your guilt. Rather it seems about you attempting to prove your innocence, or at least jumping through hoops to get your connection back.
Sorry which ISPs disconnect you? Oh that's right ZERO. And sorry exactly ZERO people will also get 6 strikes by mistake | |
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| | | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: How to prove your guilty... Walled garden. I consider that essentially a non-connection. I'm not suggesting that anyone will legitimately be identified six time incorrectly. You should be careful using absolutes in your discussion, IMO. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: How to prove your guilty... said by openbox9:Walled garden. I consider that essentially a non-connection. I'm not suggesting that anyone will legitimately be identified six time incorrectly. You should be careful using absolutes in your discussion, IMO.
You mention disconnection which will NOT happened since it is not mentioned anywhere. Any supposed disconnection would only happen after 6 strikes regardless. For an innocent person to be disconnected they would have to be wrongly accused 6 times. Not seeing where my post was incorrect. Sorry NOT going to happen. | |
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| Re: How to prove your guilty... said by BF69: For an innocent person to be disconnected they would have to be wrongly accused 6 times. Not seeing where my post was incorrect. Sorry NOT going to happen.
whats your IP, I can show you how easy it can happen. I can make myself show up to Mediasentry(the CCI hired monitoring firm) as any IP address that I want, and I bet I can make you get 6 false accusations really fast. The sad part, is that its probably DNS redirecting, which anyone whos worth their salt in tech knowledge would not be using their ISPs DNS servers. | |
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| | | | | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Semantics. Fine, you won't be disconnected, just restricted from doing most useful/productive things with your connection. | |
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| | | | Isn't that great? We live in a country where you're supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, yet this system forces you to PROVE your innocence. And somehow the courts are ok with that. | |
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| | | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: How to prove your guilty... This isn't a criminal procedure in a court of law. Perhaps the courts can look at the legality if someone sues an ISP and/or the CCI. | |
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| Re: How to prove your guilty... well, considering how the courts have said that the monitoring firms "evidence" does nothing more than identify a subscriber household and does not identify the actual person doing the downloading, how can the CCI even send out anything remotely related to legal proceedings(even in this case) under that evidence? If the courts will no longer accept it, how can they accuse anyone under it. I am waiting for the first person to be accused, and sue the CCI and Mediasentry(and file a temp or perm injunction). | |
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| | | | | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: How to prove your guilty... said by Chubbysumo:how can the CCI even send out anything remotely related to legal proceedings(even in this case) under that evidence? If the courts will no longer accept it, how can they accuse anyone under it. Why do you think these empty agreements were struck with the ISPs  | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
·Comcast
| They can't link an IP to a individual, but they can link the download to an IP, and the IP to a individual modem/account, so the IP you happened to use, happened to download illegally, it can be blocked.
If you want to be unblocked YOU (account owner) must call in, listen to TOS and agree to corrective action. | |
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LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  The sketchy part is contacting Comcast Security group
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I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders. | |
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| | | Re: The sketchy part is contacting Comcast Security group Not sure where you have gotten your information on this group, but historically I've found them easy to reach. I had received a notice about a virus on my computer and reached out to them for help. I had to wait a minute or two on hold, but they were there. I'm pretty sure they have a published number on the security page and they answer the phone--that would make them one of the most responsive groups of this type IMO. I don't know of any other ISPs that put themselves out there like that and answer the phone. | |
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SunnyD
join:2009-03-20
Madison, AL | So extortion racket by the **AA & ISPs? $35 "fee" to just contest an allegation of infringement and get your service back to "normal"?
This won't get abused. Ever! | |
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| | Comcast's walled gargen Comcast has traditionally run their walled gardens by using DNS redirection, and not HTML/code injection.
This has caused me trouble in the past when I migrated to a new account that wasn't activated properly, because I explicitly use non-Comcast DNS servers for my router (which in turn acts as a caching and ad-blocking DNS server for all computers on my LAN). All I saw was failed DNS lookups. | |
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|  pclover
join:2008-08-02
Santa Cruz, CA | Re: Comcast's walled gargen I do the same. I run my own DNS server. | |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | What will Comcast do for Coffee Shops and Hotels?? So I have to worry about my hotel/restaurant customers racking up points and other customers dealing with these redirections?
I called Comcast last month with this very question, and the Security department had nothing useful.
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Tweet! Tweet! -- »twitter.com/funchords | |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | They can suck my VPN It works | |
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| | Streaming only? Can the ISP's do this if you're only streaming 'illegal content'?
I use a website to access BBC channels, will this be considered infringing behavior?  | |
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| | Does this affect downloading only or can they use against you if you are streaming 'illegal content'?
I use a website to watch BBC channels, can this be considered infringing behavior? | |
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