dslreports logo
Comcast Drops DOCSIS 3.0 On Bay Area
Faster 22Mbps and 50Mbps service arrives
Comcast this afternoon announced that they're bringing their faster DOCSIS 3.0 speeds to the Bay Area. As we've discussed ad nauseum, upgraded DOCSIS 3.0 Comcast markets see the company's $42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps tier become 12Mbps/2Mbps, while their $52.95 "Performance Plus" 8Mbps/2Mbps tier becomes 16Mbps/2Mbps. Upgraded markets also see two new tiers: $62.95 "Ultra" 22Mbps/5Mbps and $139.95 "Extreme 50" 50Mbps/10Mbps. Comcast says 65% of their customers will be upgraded to the faster speeds by the end of the year.
view:
topics flat nest 

ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA

ninjatutle

Member

Cappage?

I wonder why they don't mention caps on that release....
Expand your moderator at work

jadebangle
Premium Member
join:2007-05-22
00000

jadebangle to ninjatutle

Premium Member

to ninjatutle

Re: Cappage?

said by ninjatutle:

I wonder why they don't mention caps on that release....
because its shady business practice
a little upgrade in speed is of no good if you can't use as much as you like
88615298 (banned)
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

88615298 (banned)

Member

when will they drop the caps?

Since Docsis 3.0 is supposed to alleviate congestion problems there is no need for caps right since that was the whole reason for the caps ( supposedly )?

lakerfan82
join:2009-01-30
Corona, CA

2 recommendations

lakerfan82

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

I think caps are less about congestion problems and more about protecting their TV model.
88615298 (banned)
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

88615298 (banned)

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by lakerfan82:

I think caps are less about congestion problems and more about protecting their TV model.
yes I know that. Everyone knows that. Comcast et al seem to think everyone is stupid. Their problem once you state a reason for caps and that reason no longer exists you have an issue.

ptrowski
Got Helix?
Premium Member
join:2005-03-14
Woodstock, CT

1 recommendation

ptrowski to 88615298

Premium Member

to 88615298
Again, higher speeds does not always equate to people downloading more....

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

1 recommendation

dadkins

MVM

Re: when will they drop the caps?


OMG! Killing teh Cap!
said by ptrowski:

Again, higher speeds does not always equate to people downloading more....
EXACTLY!!
From 3mbps to 16mbps - my usage has not increased.
Even if I decide to get D3 - when ever it does get lit up here - I seriously doubt I will use that much more.. if any at all.
Maybe on the upload side, doing backups.

Faster is faster.
Faster doesn't mean more, it means less time for current tasks(if the source can push it).

What caps?

sturmvogel6
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX

sturmvogel6

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by dadkins:
said by ptrowski:

Again, higher speeds does not always equate to people downloading more....
EXACTLY!!
From 3mbps to 16mbps - my usage has not increased.
Even if I decide to get D3 - when ever it does get lit up here - I seriously doubt I will use that much more.. if any at all.
Maybe on the upload side, doing backups.

Faster is faster.
Faster doesn't mean more, it means less time for current tasks(if the source can push it).

What caps?
Here we go again. The fact that you are unable to use to its potential what you pay for does not mean that those that could use what they pay for are wrong in their desire to utilize the product they have legally purchased.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

1 edit

1 recommendation

dadkins

MVM

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by sturmvogel6:

Here we go again. The fact that you are unable to use to its potential what you pay for does not mean that those that could use what they pay for are wrong in their desire to utilize the product they have legally purchased.
Yes, here we go again!
You abused Comcast, they booted you. Get over it!
I am quite able to, just I prefer to use it as I do - even though that cuts into you like a knife.

99.9% of Comcast customers have no issue with any sort of cap - whether it was the Inviso-Cap or the now stated 250GB cap(even though it isn't set in stone).

*YOU* did what you did! They cut you off.
Doesn't matter what/where/how/why - game over!
You need to let it go.

Jim Kirk
Premium Member
join:2005-12-09
49985

Jim Kirk

Premium Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by dadkins:

99.9% of Comcast customers have no issue with any sort of cap - whether it was the Inviso-Cap or the now stated 250GB cap(even though it isn't set in stone).
Please provide references to back up your claim.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

dadkins

MVM

Re: when will they drop the caps?

To which part?

The 99.9% - read anywhere.
Being set in stone, read here:
»The Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management Topic

and here:
»www.comcast.net/terms/network/

StevenB
Premium Member
join:2000-10-27
New York, NY
·Charter

StevenB

Premium Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by dadkins:

To which part?

The 99.9% - read anywhere.
Being set in stone, read here:
»The Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management Topic

and here:
»www.comcast.net/terms/network/
You also know, that a good % of those 99.9% have no clue what a Data Cap is. But when their child, or themselves go over it and get stuck with a overage bill or a disconnect. They'll surely know what it means then.

Also, every single MSO in this country had more than enough time to upgrade their last mile runs. But hey, who would've thought customers would user their 'unlimited' connections.
ctggzg
Premium Member
join:2005-02-11
USA

ctggzg to sturmvogel6

Premium Member

to sturmvogel6
said by sturmvogel6:

Here we go again. The fact that you are unable to use to its potential what you pay for does not mean that those that could use what they pay for are wrong in their desire to utilize the product they have legally purchased.
If you want to talk about legality, let's talk about the most common reason for high bandwidth usage. If anyone has a right to complain about the caps, it's not them. Maybe I'll whine that clothing manufacturers made my pants pockets smaller and now I can't shoplift as much stuff at once.
Expand your moderator at work

Jim Kirk
Premium Member
join:2005-12-09
49985

Jim Kirk to ctggzg

Premium Member

to ctggzg

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by ctggzg:

said by sturmvogel6:

Here we go again. The fact that you are unable to use to its potential what you pay for does not mean that those that could use what they pay for are wrong in their desire to utilize the product they have legally purchased.
If you want to talk about legality, let's talk about the most common reason for high bandwidth usage. If anyone has a right to complain about the caps, it's not them. Maybe I'll whine that clothing manufacturers made my pants pockets smaller and now I can't shoplift as much stuff at once.
That you, TK?
neufuse
join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA

neufuse to dadkins

Member

to dadkins
except in DOCSIS 3 case its not faster = more, its more channels = more... the cap claim was because they said the channel was congested... now you have at least 2 channels for downstream (and possibly up to 8 depending on chipsets, etc) so the DOCSIS 3 != higher caps kinda goes out the window because we ARE allowing more bandwidth for usage

RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY

RARPSL

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by neufuse:

except in DOCSIS 3 case its not faster = more, its more channels = more... the cap claim was because they said the channel was congested... now you have at least 2 channels for downstream (and possibly up to 8 depending on chipsets, etc) so the DOCSIS 3 != higher caps kinda goes out the window because we ARE allowing more bandwidth for usage
On top of that since you have 4 or 8 channels assigned to you (and hopefully they mix the channels assigned to the users on a Node) the modem will prefer the non-congested channels that it is assigned so that congestion is less of an issue and thus the need to cap is reduced.

Also, the speeds tiers are ridiculous. D3 can do 160 (4 Channel) or 320 (8 Channel) yet they are not even offering speeds like Cablevision's (Optonline) BOOST DOCSIS2 30Mbs (really 38Mbs uncapped) let alone what D3 can actually deliver.

ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA

ninjatutle to dadkins

Member

to dadkins
Didkins, you only downloaded 24GB of warez last month?

Lark3po
Premium Member
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL

1 recommendation

Lark3po

Premium Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by ninjatutle:

Didkins, you only downloaded 24GB of pr0n last month?
Fixed

sturmvogel6
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX

1 recommendation

sturmvogel6

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by Lark3po:
said by ninjatutle:

Didkins, you only downloaded 24GB of pr0n last month?
Fixed
Porn and video content from other providers is what CC fears and what the caps are all about.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

dadkins

MVM

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by sturmvogel6:
said by Lark3po:
said by ninjatutle:

Didkins, you only downloaded 24GB of pr0n last month?
Fixed
Porn and video content from other providers is what CC fears and what the caps are all about.
Comcast has porn?
Where?

sturmvogel6
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX

1 recommendation

sturmvogel6

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by dadkins:

Comcast has porn?
Where?
I presume their video on demand service ?

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

dadkins

MVM

Re: when will they drop the caps?


VOD I got.
Show me where I can download porn from Comcast and we might have something.

sturmvogel6
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX

sturmvogel6

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by dadkins:

VOD I got.
Show me where I can download porn from Comcast and we might have something.
Porn downloads compete with the VOD Adult offerings CC probably has. No idea, I never checked their VOD offerings.
88615298 (banned)
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

88615298 (banned)

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by sturmvogel6:

said by dadkins:

VOD I got.
Show me where I can download porn from Comcast and we might have something.
Porn downloads compete with the VOD Adult offerings CC probably has. No idea, I never checked their VOD offerings.
doubtful. their porn VOD has A) limited choices B) high prices.

sturmvogel6
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX

sturmvogel6

Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by 88615298:
said by sturmvogel6:
said by dadkins:

VOD I got.
Show me where I can download porn from Comcast and we might have something.
Porn downloads compete with the VOD Adult offerings CC probably has. No idea, I never checked their VOD offerings.
doubtful. their porn VOD has A) limited choices B) high prices.
There you go, that is why the video downloads from other providers ARE a problem. They are varied and cheap and high resolution.
fiberguy2
My views are my own.
Premium Member
join:2005-05-20

fiberguy2

Premium Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

$12.00 for a comcast porn show vs, what, $30 on line for poor quality junk? In this case, porn from Comcast is cheap compared to porn on the net.

•••

ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA

ninjatutle to sturmvogel6

Member

to sturmvogel6
Does Cumcast have PB channel or is just PPV still?

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

2 edits

dadkins to ninjatutle

MVM

to ninjatutle
Ninja, did you fail elementary school?
Everytime you misspell my name makes you look - uneducated.

Yeah, warez.

Typo

Jim Kirk
Premium Member
join:2005-12-09
49985

Jim Kirk

Premium Member

Re: when will they drop the caps?

said by dadkins:

Ninja, did you fail elementary school?
Everytme you misspell my name makes you look - uneducated.

Yeah, warez.
LOL This coming from the guy that can't spell "everytime".

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

1 edit

1 recommendation

dadkins

MVM

Re: when will they drop the caps?

Yeah, you never make typos?

Ninja does it everytime - either on purpose or because he cannot read properly.

tshirt
Premium Member
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA

tshirt to 88615298

Premium Member

to 88615298
Wrong!
There still will be caps, but comcast doesn't feel the need to mention in every press release, and apparently Karl forgot or is tired of see CAPS! in every other post (every post for some people )
Get over it, CAPS! are part of the ToS for the forseeable future.

••••••••

jt7
@comcast.net

jt7 to 88615298

Anon

to 88615298
it also keep people from using business service on a residential service. like services and stuff

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

1 edit

1 recommendation

dadkins

MVM

???

8/768k was upgraded a while ago to 16/2...

"New Speed Options to Begin in Silicon Valley, Tri-Valley and Monterey, and Roll Out in San Francisco, Oakland and Remainder of Bay Later This Year"

Didn't we know this already? *I* did...

Also:
"Comcast Drops DOCSIS 3.0 On Parts of the Bay Area"

Bay Area is pretty good size.
Just as with Blast last year, *PARTS OF* The Bay Area got it, others did not.

No D3 here in Hercurock.

tshirt
Premium Member
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA

1 recommendation

tshirt

Premium Member

Re: ???

said by dadkins:

8/768k was upgraded a while ago to 16/2...

Bay Area is pretty good size.
Just as with Blast last year, *PARTS OF* the bay area got it, others did not.

No D3 here in Hercurock.
In seattle area (and I think most other markets), it didn't happen everywhere at once, it was (sort of) one cmts/rack space (CO?) at a time.
The good news for you is it generally followed the pattern that the 12/2-16/2 upgrades used, so since you were an early adoptee for that you'll likely see/have available D3 sooner than many.
Next comes the question of "do you need it" you seem to be cruising along fine without it.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

dadkins

MVM

Re: ???

I don't *need* Blast, but I want the upload speed.
According to the linked article, nothing in this particular part of The Bay Area is listed as soon-to-be.

Eh, we'll see...

Cheese
Premium Member
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL

Cheese

Premium Member

I am paying 62.95 now for 8/2

I want my upgrade!

••••••••••••

CosmicDebri
Still looking for intelligent life
join:2001-09-01
Lake City, FL

CosmicDebri

Member

South/Central Florida

Yeah, well, I'm a little north of West Palm Beach, still don't know if I'm south fl or central, pretty sure south/central.....

Since we don't have any fios or uverse competition, or ANY competition except for att dsl, I'm pretty sure we won't see anything this year.

And my lady already had the triple play when I moved here, so that's what we'll probably have for the foreseeable future, unless I can convince her we don't need the tv or phone service, then we can bounce to the dsl for cheaper than the hsi only from the comcrapper....
Tahlyn
join:2004-06-15
Port Saint Lucie, FL

Tahlyn

Member

12 down and 16 down offered in St. Lucie county FL (34953)

when I go to the comcast.com site and put in my address for St. Lucie county FL (34953; two counties north of palm beach), the Performance (12 down) and Performance Plus (16 down) are being offered. However, no where does it mention the upload speeds.

Also, Uverse is still not available in my area.
AVonGauss
Premium Member
join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL

AVonGauss

Premium Member

Re: 12 down and 16 down offered in St. Lucie county FL (34953)

Just a note, the speed ratings you listed (12/16) are for PowerBoost which often goes higher than listed on that page.. The sustained rates are 6/1 and 8/2.

SLD
Premium Member
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA

SLD

Premium Member

Yet, larger markets...

Yet, much larger markets like Houston (4th largest city in the nation) still have the weak 8Mbit/sec tier as the fastest option, and PowerBoost still doesn't work on the upload.

••••••••••

prag
join:2000-12-19
Sherwood, OR

1 edit

prag

Member

What happens to Blast! Tier?

So I'm already on the Blast! Tier and getting 16/2. Will my speeds be doubled or see any increase at all? There's no mention of that in the article.

If there's only a small difference between 16/2 and 12/2 but still $10.00 difference, I might as well just drop the Blast! tier pricing and go with the performance tier.

"Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps tier >>> 12Mbps/2Mbps
"Performance Plus" 8Mbps/2Mbps tier >>> 16Mbps/2Mbps.

Does that mean that "Blast!" 16/2 Tier >>>> "Ultra" 22Mbps/5Mbps ??

••••

Canezoid
End of line
join:2001-02-16
Powder Springs, GA

Canezoid

Member

Yeah!!

Just want to see it get going in ATL, man what's the hold up !!

Peace!

shutrbug
join:2000-10-18
San Jose, CA

shutrbug

Member

I guess it's time to drop my AT&T DSL

I'm paying $35/month for 3Mbps DSL, plus about $20 for a landline. It sure makes sense to switch to Comcast for 12/2Mbps for only a few dollars more and to switch to VOIP from a cheap provider. How's the VOIP performance on Comcast?

•••
OCP
Premium Member
join:2004-10-11
USA

OCP

Premium Member

Economy tier?

So what if you have the economy tier and upgrade to DOCSIS 3.0? 'Cause I don't need more speed, I need a lower bill. Half joking.

If you go from owning your own modem, to renting the new modem, your bill just went UP. Yeah, you get more speed, but you're paying more for it.

RR Conductor
Ridin' the rails
Premium Member
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
ARRIS SB6183
Netgear R7000

2 edits

1 recommendation

RR Conductor

Premium Member

Mendocino Co, just getting Blast as of April, DOCSIS 3 too?

I'm in Mendocino County (North Bay Network. former Adelphia market), and we just got a letter this month saying we are going to be bumped up from Performance Plus to Blast as of our April billing statement, though they will raise our price 2 bucks a month (grrrr). As I understood it, getting Blast does not mean DOCSIS 3.0 is being rolled out, or did I misunderstand? Does that mean we are getting DOCSIS 3.0 up here too?

•••••••••••

crf250r
@comcast.net

crf250r

Anon

doc 3

when will this be getting done

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium Member
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

dvd536

Premium Member

sixty five percent

Is that 65% of ALL their subs or 65% of their subs that reside in fios areas?
MrBentor
join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA

MrBentor

Member

Question

So, where the heck can I get a DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem

So I asked Comcast about this. They are offering DOCSIS 3.0 service now, they said they've updated their plants. But they don't have any 3.0 modems and had no idea when they would be getting any. Furthermore I've looked on line and couldn't find any. Everything appears to be DOCSIS 2.0.

UGH!