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Take me down to the paradise city
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| Re: Wow 100m! said by baineschile  :Thats true, but the upload helps with hosting You know that's against the TOS. You want to host get a BUSINESS account. | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Wow 100m! A higher upload increases my chance to host a game; i dont host a server. | |
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| Re: Wow 100m! said by baineschile :A higher upload increases my chance to host a game; i dont host a server. How much upload do you need to host a game? Hell one can do that with 2 Mbps upload. Besides hosting a game MAY violate the TOS. I don't know the nuts and bolts of Comast's TOS. | |
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join:2003-04-21
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| said by BF69 :You know that's against the TOS. You want to host get a BUSINESS account. There you go again with the business account crap......to host a multiplayer game. Wow. | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Wow 100m! Maybe CC should offer just a good old 1Mb service, with no other options. That way, the discussion of how fast you can hit your caps will be moot. | |
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| said by me1212 :With a 250GB cap. That is not that bad. I left Hulu HD running for 15 or 16 hours yesterday and it used a whopping 4GB or so. I can't separate out my other traffic usage, but the entire day was only 5GB. | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Wow 100m! Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap verizon is rumored to be testing 100m and has no cap, CC looks not so great. They could at least make it a 1TB cap for the 50m and 100m packs. | |
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Take me down to the paradise city
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| Re: Wow 100m! said by me1212 :Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap verizon is rumored to be testing 100m and has no cap, CC looks not so great. They could at least make it a 1TB cap for the 50m and 100m packs. When viewed against their competition, you are absolutely correct. | |
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2600
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Wow 100m! What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? | |
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| Re: Wow 100m! said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? Comcast and another cable company both serve my area and I have FIOS.
They overlap most everywhere since FIOS is in mostly the same states as comcast.
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Wow 100m! Not the mid west states. No FiOS to be seen here. Just DSL. Which cable blows away. | |
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Franklin, IN | Re: Wow 100m! verizion is rolling out fios in ft wayne ind a mere 100 mi from toledo | |
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This Space For RENT.
join:2008-10-07
Newark, DE
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join:2003-06-09
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| Re: Wow 100m! said by 54903205 :said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? Delaware. Most of Maryland. *All* of Washington, DC. Most of Pennsylvania. (Comcast, in addition to being based in Philly, also is the dominant cable company in most of the non-rural parts of Pennsylvania.) Most of Virginia. (Verizon, not AT&T, is the majority ILEC in Virginia; not just in the Tidewater/Northern Neck region, which is ex-GTE territory, as most of the rest of the state is core Bell Atlantic (and before that, C&P Telephone).)
Further, for the record, while some of the area that Verizon is selling to Frontier Communications is the disconnected/rural portions of ex-GTE territory, some of it goes back to the beginning of Verizon, if not Bell Atlantic (West Virginia, for example, was part of the original C&P Telephone, a core component of Bell Atlantic). West Virginia and New England in particular have historically been among the most difficult in terms of M&R for linepersons (climatologically speaking); no wonder VZ wants to get rid of them. | |
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Smyrna, DE | NORTHERN Delaware.
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join:2009-01-04
Beaverton, OR
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Wow 100m! It's called splitting the nodes, which is not that expensive for the company to do. And not everyone in the area has the highest tier of broadband. The vast majority subscribe to the lowest tier. | |
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join:2005-12-30
| said by espaeth :said by me1212 :Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap But it's not real. Ignoring overhead, there are 4 x 38mbps channels on the entire segment that users are connected to. That's 152mpbs of total capacity shared across at least 100 subscribers, if not more. Under the 101mbps plan, exactly 1 person on the segment can consume that bandwidth at any given time. You have to see these plans for what they are; they are no different than the late-night infomercials that promise 6-pack abs in 3 weeks. At this point you're just comparing the BS claims of one company against the BS claims of another company. maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Wow 100m! said by espaeth :said by hbk4099 :maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s Let's see how those stats look in 6 months when more than a handful of people in the entire OOL service area have Ultra subscriptions. Yep, and there is a limit to splitting the nodes, at a certain point, it will be cheaper just to mount a gigabit ethernet switch on the pole and run fiber to your house than to give you a dedicated fiber node since what happens if 3 adjacent houses have 24/7 P2Pers? | |
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| None of this is real, and that's why people are not happy.
The 50 meg tier can transfer 16 Terabytes in a month. They are giving you 1.5% of the bandwidth that they are charging you for. The 100 meg teir is pointless except as a method to add revenue for people who use more than the cap. The speed upgrade at that point is pointless.
$$ grab....
How much of what you pay for should you actually be able to get?
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| Re: Wow 100m! said by espaeth :Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service. You are absolutely right. Let's use your own numbers. If I'm paying $100 a month for 50Mbps service, then given that dedicated service is ~$500 a month (by your own numbers), then I'm paying for ~20% of dedicated service and only getting 1.5%.
said by espaeth :That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for. Again, you said it, I didn't. These companies are misleading consumers purposely to their own benefit. It's a shame that there is not more honesty in this world....
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Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: Wow 100m! said by wentlanc :said by espaeth :Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service. You are absolutely right. Let's use your own numbers. If I'm paying $100 a month for 50Mbps service, then given that dedicated service is ~$500 a month (by your own numbers), then I'm paying for ~20% of dedicated service and only getting 1.5%. You're getting a little closer, but $10/mbps pricing is usually on a GigE handoff within the confines of a carrier neutral meet-me facility. You have to factor in the access costs for getting that connection to your house, which drives the cost up a bit more.
There's also some additional for service features (McAfee subscriptions, email, etc), residential support, and profit.
said by wentlanc :said by espaeth :That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for. Again, you said it, I didn't. These companies are misleading consumers purposely to their own benefit. It's a shame that there is not more honesty in this world.... True, but that's not unique to the broadband industry. As the phrase goes, a fool and his money are soon parted. Buying broadband access without actually doing some research is like going to a used car dealer without any preparation.
Comcast's 250GB cap is a step in the right direction, although I'm sure most people won't acknowledge it as such. Unlike ISPs that promise the world with absolutely no possibility of delivering to every customer, at least some ISPs are disclosing limits on what reasonable expectations are for usage on shared infrastructure.
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| Re: Wow 100m! I'm paying for cable, which covers the cost of that infrastructure already. Nice try.
Who freaking cares if other industries do it? I despise them also. But we are here talking about broadband...
Let me be clear, I don't mind the idea of the cap. What I fear is the lack of a fair operational process to increase the cap as NORMAL usage increases. Who gets to define normal, and how often are issues that need to be well planned prior to implementing this plan. For nothing more than to ensure that these companies who now own the content, distribution, and general access are not permitted to create their own artificial moneypots that will hinder our technological development.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by Matt :said by me1212 :With a 250GB cap. That is not that bad. I left Hulu HD running for 15 or 16 hours yesterday and it used a whopping 4GB or so. I can't separate out my other traffic usage, but the entire day was only 5GB. and except for the very very few HD shows they have at most their shows and movies stream at a paltry 1 Mbps which is barely 480p. 720p quality shows/movies would run about 3 GB per hour. So 2 1/2 hours day would put you over the cap. If you have a family of 4 then each person only gets about 40 minutes a day. That's assuming you use your internet connection for watching online video and nothing else.
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Re: Wow 100m! I know 1Tb will not be enough soon, right now it kinda is but in a few years we will need at least 2TB. Man I hope the cap dies. I don't care if the ISPs just drop it cause they see a way to get money from it or if it is because stuff like FiOS cablevision and other uncaped cablecos(or FTTH/other ISPs) force them to via competition(IMHO the best solution). | |
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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| said by me1212 :With a 250GB cap. Who said "250gb cap"... so far, this is a "rumor".. second, in that same "rumor" I see nothing about a cap.. are you assuming? The assumption COULD very well be correct as speed doesn't necessarily equate to transfer. For some people, they'll do the same thing, only in shorter time, while others see the need to download everything in sight just for the fun of it..
.. but as for now, your post, as simple as it is, seems make me believe you already know it will be 250gb, which I personally doubt. | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA | now you can hit the 250GB cap in a day | |
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bobolina
join:2004-05-28
Beverly Hills, CA | Lame Yes fast download speeds with a cap on how much you can download. | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | 100 meg Everyone should strive to offer the fastest speeds possible.
But beyond 10Mbps I don't see a heck of a lot of difference for most home users. | |
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join:2001-12-11
Peoria, IL
·Comcast
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| Re: 100 meg said by Eat Me :Everyone should strive to offer the fastest speeds possible. But beyond 10Mbps I don't see a heck of a lot of difference for most home users. Exactly!! I'd be happy if I could just get the 10mbps I pay for on a consistent basis. I do have to give kudos to Comcast for the upload speed, though. I consistently get 3-4mbps for upload. But, I only use it about twice a week. | |
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decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
| wow Impressive, but caps do hamper that feature a bit... Granted 250 gig caps aren't the worst solutions, I rather a download limit prior to packet deprioritizing to lesson the priority of those people constantly leaving p2p programs running, but I can deal with it.. If i can just do the house count from the way I told them, and not from the direction their corporate office decides to do it, i'd qualify for buildout potential... | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Meh I don't see any use for anything above their 22 Mbps package with a 250GB cap. Also, upload speeds comapred to fiber are anemic; I'm guessing Comcast will trot out 15 Mbps like Cablevision did and call it a day?
Given the two services at the same price, I'd choose 50/20 FiOS over 100/15 cable. Comcast would have to bond four channels to make 100 Mbps doable with their node-to-subscriber ratios, at least from what I've seen (at peak times I get maybe 22 Mbps on PowerBoost). Correct me if I'm wrong, people who have D3 tiers and PowerBoost.
Still don't like the caps. Some people will resent me saying this but I'd be fine with rate limits on P2P uploads (say 1 Mbit) in exchange for a higher, or no, cap.250GB is okay for 99% of stuff...the other 1% icnludes heavy-duty online backup which...surprise...needs both upload speed and high/no caps. FiOS does both, Comcast really does neither.
Anyway, once D3 gets to my area I'm either getting 12/2 (cheaper) or 22/5 (better upload, don't care about download beyond 15 Mbps when price is an issue). If they have higher caps on the higher tiers maybe I'll bite, but right now there's absolutely zero reason for me, or 99.99% of the population, to even think about anything above 22/5. | |
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join:2002-04-17
1 edit | Meanwhie, on the 4th largest city... We're piddling along at 8Mbit/sec max.
[Edit] - Looks like Comcast just pulled my Powerboost right after I wrote this to punish me. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: Meanwhie, on the 4th largest city... Interesting since Adrian Mich (part of the DT service area of CC) has D3 in beta from several people/businesses around the city. | |
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@senescomarine.com
| just anohter way to hit the caps this is nothing but just another way to hit the caps faster
and make them look like they can compete
have fun with your over fee
i can see it now hey where going to give you 100/20 for 49.99 for the first 6 months then 79.99 there after for 2 years
but you only get 250 trans up and down a month
with a .10c a kb over is that what the wireless are charging now
with there $20,000 5 gig download limit sling box rate
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i really think this is all but nohting but funny
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join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH
| How??? I'd like to know how Comcast plans on support these speeds. Simply put...on a 1000MHz cable plant there is only so much speed one can offer and at what point does Comcast say that it's more import to provide HD channels then it is to support Internet. Look at any company report Comcast clearly makes more money from video then they do from Internet. At some point Comcast is going to have to stop robbing Peter to pay Paul! | |
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2600
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: How??? Easy as pie; converted ALL channels to a digitized format and 4 channel bonding. Thats more than enough, even in an 850 MHz system. | |
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Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| All this BS about 100 Mbps.... No one really needs it, and in this economy the price isn't right either. I would much rather have them focus on stable connections with a decent upload speed, for instance 20 down, 10 up.
DOCSIS 3.0 can do this too, but ISPs seem desperately afraid of upload speed.
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Cjaiceman
Premium,MVM
join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
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| Re: All this BS about 100 Mbps.... said by Eat Me :said by maartena :DOCSIS 3.0 can do this too, but ISPs seem desperately afraid of upload speed. That's because the return path is from 5-40MHz which is full of noise. It's a miracle they can even use it for anything more than 5Mbps honestly. The return path works great, I want more! 
No D3 here, this is just D2
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TEXAS
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high speed tax for sending information down tubes 19.95
special colored taxable modem 3.27
useless made up fee 1.27
international monetary mexican fee .97
cable line upgrade fee 4.73
another made up fee that no can explain 13.24
so total cost will be only 99.00 a month for the first 30 seconds and 189.00 for regular use.
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Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
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| Re: FASTER said by Cybrtweek :
As far as the speeds go I hope they continue (capped or not). History shows when more of the population can get better throughput the Internet gets better and has more to offer. I welcome it and wonder what the future of the Internet will hold. Anyone remember watching the text scroll by on the local BBS using a 300 baud modem? My how the Interwebs have changed.
300baud is no longer in use, its ancient history... bbs extinct since the early 90's...
56k still use by few these day for web connection...
these speed are limited due to analog connection but on digital like fios, the speed are symmetric and can potentially go even higher then 100mbps, 1gbps is in the near future. fios 50mbps is like dsl at 128kbps or worse 64kbps | |
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
·Comcast Workplace
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| Re: FASTER I remember the slow DSL days, actually we had a 144kbps ISDN line from AT&T in the late 90's early 2000's, which got broken into U S WEST. We even had the old SpeedStream modem and everything, it was great for its time, just coming off of 56K dial-up, no cable or DSL available yet...
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| I remember the days of the 300 baud bbs's and ASCII Art, basic xl, and the atari 800. I thought I was hot s*** when I bought my Hayes 2400 baud modem for $800!
Of course all the isp's are offering different speed tiers (marketing), make twice the money in half the time, just offer higher and higher speeds as the technology gets cheaper.
The speed we can send and receive information has a direct impact on the speed at which technology advances. So bring on the bandwidth, caps will fall to the wayside sooner rather than later. I'll bet in 10 years most homes will have access to speeds approaching 1TB/sec. Remember 56K modems were the norm less than ten years ago. | |
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join:2005-03-17
Bethlehem, PA
1 edit | Can they handle it 24/7? So you run a speed test at 8PM in your market...are you going to see 100Mbps? Oversubscription anywhere?
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| trickle at best there will only be a trickle of early adopters to the pricey package. these upfront activation fees have got to stop.. this is NOT the 1980's cell phone activation type deal.. so, imo it's a ripoff and money grab, but others say so what.. FIOS is a higher price in their 50/20 tier so it all balances out. whatever, if they truly wanted to 1-up the competition it was supposed to be $99 for 101/15 or similar for $99 a month, UNLIMITED. PERIOD. END OF STORY. This is but the tip of the iceberg of what they could have done. Clearly the cable industry can't stand the pressure of losing video customers at the expense of ISP customers. Boo Hoo, break out the violins! | |
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join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
| who can even use that? I want to know what websites can even push 50mbps to you. I guess that one advantage is that if you have a half dozen computers on your connection, all downloading different stuff from various sites, they are less likely to saturate the connection...
But what I'm thinking though is that even massive sites like microsoft, apple, youtube etc, won't come close to 20mbps so for a single user, this is total overkill. | |
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join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
| Re: who can even use that? I like to do things simultaneously. It's the reason I got a quad-core CPU. Load a few different youtube videos at HQ. Or maybe watch HULU while a torrent is running in the background, or maybe play some SC while downloading something. It's not always about absolute speeds from one source. | |
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@rr.com | Re: who can even use that? I can do all that with my high end dual core that easily runs at 4ghz. | |
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@rr.com | 50/10 How about you cut the price of your 50/10 tier in half | |
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join:2005-04-24
Woodstock, GA
| Re: 50/10 said by yesimanonymous :How about you cut the price of your 50/10 tier in half This sounds reasonable. Paying $ 62.00 for 22/5 today I would go for it if they lower the 50/10 and the 100/??? sometime. | |
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@rr.com | speed............. big deal i got a Corvette but i cannot go over 50 miles an hour so whats the point like the other dude says price is to high keep your cap crap | |
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23
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| 100MEG wooo ya big deal more speed with a cap only means yu get there quicker then twiddle your...longer, so i guess 1st thing to get is your pron.
kinda like shawcable offering it with a 200GB cap and then charging 300$ a month for it, when i can get a seed box server in france or UK for about 26$ Canadian ..... | |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| why not make what they already offer work reliably first? I'd be happy if the 6/1 service they offer here would work reliably. They drop carrier more than an old dialup modem. And yes, they've sent out numerous technicians, my equipment is fine, they claim their equipment is fine, but not a day goes by that it doesn't drop carrier at least once, usually for just a few minutes, sometimes 10-15 minutes, but it will drop. This has been going on for almost a year now. And not just me, but everyone I've spoken to in my building has the same issue.
I'm just waiting for AT&T to finish the U-verse buildout in this neighborhood...
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united state | Yeah... and while you're at it... Great, now bring the price down and lift the bandwidth caps and you can call me a customer.... | |
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