Comcast, FCC Head To Court Over Net Neutrality Comcast still argues FCC had no authority to 'sanction' carrier for throttling.. Tipped by Zimfie 
Back in May of 2007, a user posted to our forums highlighting his discovery that Comcast was forging user packets to throttle upstream bandwidth for all users, all of the time. The user didn't know it at the time, but that single post literally began a multi-year adventure that would culminate in national press attention and an FCC investigation into how Comcast managed its network. After getting a toothless "sanction" by the FCC, Comcast ultimately replaced their "blunt instrument" approach to traffic management with a new system, which temporarily throttles back only the company's heaviest users on the most congested nodes. Again, no FCC fine was levied, no new rules were imposed, and Comcast barely saw a wrist slap for lying to consumers and the press multiple times, in both filings and in print about throttling all customer traffic, 24/7. Still, Comcast never much liked the precedent the FCC's actions set, so Comcast lawyers have spent the last few years trying to argue that the FCC never had the authority to dictate how Comcast manages its network. The latest round of this dispute hits the courtroom today, as the Associated Press explores: The commission argues that a 2005 Supreme Court ruling upholding its move to deregulate Internet service gives it the jurisdiction it needs. The high court upheld the FCC's decision to define broadband as a lightly regulated information service, which is not subject to the obligations traditional telecommunications services have to share their networks with competitors. But a 1996 federal telecommunications law still gives the agency authority to set rules for information services , including, the FCC now argues, net neutrality rules. Of course the FCC will soon begin the official rulemaking process needed to craft network neutrality guidelines, and a court win here would give that process some additional teeth. While carrier lawyers and lobbyists are putting on a show about how the FCC's neutrality rules will come loaded with all manner of restrictions that make doing business impossible, all indications are the laws will be fairly innocuous. The new rules will primarily be aimed at transparency -- i.e. ensuring that customers are clearly informed precisely what kind of connection they're buying (capped? throttled? When, how much, and how often?).
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 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | DC Appeals Court will favor Comcast
U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit has regularly ruled against the FCC. I don't see this time being any different.
Of course a win by Comcast will just result in a new court case in a couple of years from now when the officially drawn FCC Net Neutrality rules(as opposed to amorphous principles) are drug in to court. | |
|  |  | | Re: DC Appeals Court will favor Comcast i'm curious why it has to be in DC? | |
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 |  | | Well, you are not entirely correct. The DC Circuit has a habit of ruling in a manner that favors industry. But the FCC wins from time to time.
Important to this case was the FCC win in the DC Circuit on the issue of banning exclusive cable ISP contracts in multi-dwelling units. In that case the DC Circuit said the FCC's obligations under Section 706 of the '96 Act gave them pretty broad authority to act in the Internet regulatory arena, and they are also on solid ground due to the Supreme Court's ruling in the Brand-X case.
There is a wild card here though. Since Comcast has changed its management practices, and since they were never fined, it is possible that the Court might throw their case out as being moot. The central issue of FCC enforcement of a policy statement might not see the light of day. | |
|  |  |  Z80APremium join:2009-11-23 | Re: DC Appeals Court will favor Comcast And it is also going to depend on which "industry" the court kisses the ass off...Comcast or FCC Google. | |
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 |  | | said by ThrowDemsOut:U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit has regularly ruled against the FCC. I don't see this time being any different. Of course a win by Comcast will just result in a new court case in a couple of years from now when the officially drawn FCC Net Neutrality rules(as opposed to amorphous principles) are drug in to court. so get some friends and get your butts down there and start making noise judges i bet in this world are nervous enough start making noises and your going to see the right decision
"and when the revolution came lawyers were the first to go" - hitchhikers guide to the galaxy | |
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I have a good feeling comcast will lose the court battle you cant sue the government and win. | |
|  |  | | Re: comcast will lose Yep especially with the current political climate in Washington. I'm not a gambling man though.  | |
|  |  |  | | Re: comcast will lose comcast is pretty much screwed. | |
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 |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | said by jchambers28:I have a good feeling comcast will lose the court battle you cant sue the government and win. Seems the judges might not agree with you:
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U.S. judges put the Federal Communications Commission in the hot seat on Friday, questioning whether the communications regulator acted properly when it sanctioned Comcast Corp for blocking file-sharing services on its broadband network.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit appeared unsatisfied with FCC arguments and was probing to determine whether the FCC acted based on established rules or direct authority from Congress involving broadband network management issues .
It appears the FCC acted based on policy statements that are "aspirational, not operational," Judge A. Raymond Randolph told FCC General Counsel Austin Schlick in a packed courtroom.
FCC's Schlick and Marvin Ammori, an attorney representing public interest groups such as Free Press and Consumers Union, argued that, if the FCC lost the case, it was better for it to lose based on the agency's procedures rather than on the grounds the FCC lacks broad authority. They urged the judges to provide guidance to help the FCC with future actions. "We don't give guidance. We decide cases," Judge Randolph said. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | WhiteHouse backing away from Net Neutrality support
The court case and the FCC may not be important since the White House is backing off Net Neutrality support:
»news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-104300···1_3-0-20
The Obama administration and its allies at the Federal Communications Commission are retreating from a militant version of Net neutrality regulations first outlined by FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski in September.
That's my reading of a number of recent developments, underscored by comments made by government speakers on a panel on the first day of a Tech Policy Summit at CES in Las Vegas.
Last fall, Genachowski proposed six Net neutrality rules and asked the full commission to approve them. The proposed rules could be adopted as early as spring.
But even as the commission concludes its collection of public comments next week, both the White House and the FCC appear to be dialing back their expectations.
Signs of more modest Net neutrality regulations include resignation in late October of Susan Crawford, who took part in Thursday's panel discussion and who was previously a key adviser to the president on technology and communications. Crawford's version of Net neutrality was too radical for White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers, contributing to her early departure.
On the same panel, White House deputy CTO Andrew McLaughlin reminded the audience that the FCC had yet to determine whether Net neutrality is needed to preserve the open Internet. He and Crawford both characterized the proposing of the rules as simply opening a dialogue on the subject to allow the FCC to collect data.
Fried pointed to recent filings by the Department of Commerce and the Department of Justice as part of the FCC's preparation of a national broadband plan. The DOJ's letter, for example, found no evidence of market failure in broadband today and warned the commission against premature regulation.
The administration is clearly backtracking. But why?
Part of the reason is some unexpected political pressure, including a letter signed by 72 congressional Democrats opposing the FCC's proposed rules soon after they were announced.
But the bigger explanation is the growing priority within the administration for nationwide, affordable broadband service.
the communications industry had already invested $60 billion toward that effort. By contrast, the stimulus bill allocated only $7 billion for broadband projects. Clearly, Fried noted, satisfying the goals of the national broadband plan will require significant private investment.
The major carriers are making the investments, and have every business reason to make more. But the Net neutrality rules, depending on how the FCC defines key terms, could hamstring their efforts to make their money back. Net neutrality is making Wall Street uncomfortable about financing broadband deployment. That in turn is making the White House nervous.
Net neutrality is turning out to be a noisy side show and a growing distraction from the real priority for both the White House and the FCC: getting the country wired for recovery. Wall St has spoken and the White House is falling in line on Net Neutrality. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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|  | | The FCC never had authority to mandate "Net Neutrality" In its Comcast ruling, the FCC had to split a paragraph, leaving out a statement by Congress that the Internet should remain "free of Federal or state regulation," to make a weak, tortured argument that it had the authority to regulate the Internet. The judges -- bully for them! -- are seeing through this. The FCC has the ability to regulate the underlying telecommunications services which are used to deliver Internet service, but not Internet service itself (which is a data service). Thus, the FCC could cry foul about the issue of "special access" price gouging (which is, indeed, a serious problem) -- and, in fact, should. But it doesn't have the right to tell ISPs how to manage their networks. The statutes do not give it that authority, and shouldn't. The Internet's success has largely been due to the fact that the FCC has regulated only up to the MAC layer, and no higher. | |
|  |  | | Re: The FCC never had authority to mandate "Net Neutrality" Regardless of your biased opinions on this matter, something needs to be done.
Comcast wasn't just throttling things they didn't like, they were violating IP protocol and sending kill signals. If you cannot count that basic protocols will be followed, what's the point in using their service? | |
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 MurdocPremium join:2009-02-08 Manitowoc, WI | make what business impossible? Are they saying making metered internet impossible or what, By saying making business impossible? I am not understanding. | |
|  | | hrrmm start sending letters to the judges ya know if they get a moutain of I FUCKING HATE YOU CAUSE YOU SUCK letters they prolly will toss into the garbage so write a letter like this:
Dear Madam/Sir:
It has come to my attention that your voicing concerns over net neutrality and the F.C.C. stance on this. Please be advised that i am for net neutrality and i think that the court system as is , is already overburdened with litigation. I guess what i am saying is , if you want more yachts and more mansions , build them yourself. Last checked this is a dmeocracy albeit a republican democracy.
THink about if landlords were able to "dictate managing" to the people long term renting.
1) sorry you only have 5% power to use after you use 200watts of power in any given month. 2) sorry at predetermined times of the day you can only occupy 5% of the designated area of your house/room. 3)you cant put any pictures up or decorate your room without any approval of said landlord 4) you cant bring anyhting into said room without the landlord approving everything that you bring in , item by item,and get such in writing. 5)your also not allowed any visitors unless the landlord approves such in writing.
add more to it personalize re post here so you can get this done nice. | |
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