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12:05PM Friday Aug 14 2009 by Karl Bode
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The policy statement (pdf) that guides the FCC's hand in matters of network neutrality is not law, and is intentionally vague enough to allow providers to get away with anything short of an outright traffic blockade. So when the FCC tried to sanction Comcast last year for throttling upstream P2P traffic for all users (regardless of congestion), it wasn't too surprising to see Comcast fight the FCC's authority in court.

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Last year's FCC order required that the carrier stop the more heavy handed traffic management system they were using by the end of 2008. Comcast obliged, and has since implemented a "protocol agnostic" system that only throttles users if they're on a congested node, and if the targeted user is a major reason why.

The carrier also took major steps toward transparency by implementing a 250 gigabyte per month cap. Our users had been complaining about Comcast's use of an invisible cap for the better part of the decade, noting it was impossible to curtail excessive use if Comcast didn't provide a concrete definition. While the new system seems to be working well for most Comcast users, Comcast's still busy fighting the FCC's ruling.

Late last month, Comcast filed a 101-page opening brief filed July 27 with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The filing claims the FCC overstepped its authority in issuing the order, insisting that because the network neutrality policy statement isn't law, Comcast can't be punished (not that they were, as we're reminded -- the "sanction" included no fine, new rules or penalty of any kind). Of course efforts to define network neutrality protections by law have also been fought by all major carriers, including Comcast.

While network neutrality protection laws may not be popular among people employed in this sector, there's no denying that the threat of regulation on this front has generally kept carriers well behaved. That threat was already pretty tepid on the neutrality front, in the form of principles that were intentionally designed to be fairly wimpy. Take away the possible threat of government action and it's very likely that good ISP behavior comes to an end.

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When Was Comcast Punished?

The filing claims the FCC overstepped its authority in issuing the order, insisting that because the network neutrality policy statement isn't law, Comcast can't be punished.
When was Comcast punished?

»FCC Crackdown on Comcast Doesn’t Even Include Fine

...even though there was plenty of reason that they should be fined... »A poll -- If Comcast SHOULD be fined...
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Re: When Was Comcast Punished?

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The filing claims the FCC overstepped its authority in issuing the order, insisting that because the network neutrality policy statement isn't law, Comcast can't be punished.
When was Comcast punished?
I missed that part as well.

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Further, Comcast was, in effect, REWARDED.

Comcast had announced that they already were planning to stop using Sandvine RSTs by year's end and that they'd switch to a protocol-agnostic method.

The FCC gave Comcast license to continue using its interference-causing device for the remainder of 2008 and to switch to its new method as planned. Comcast was required to disclose, finally, what they were doing -- more a punishment for lying than a punishment for non-NN.
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Re: When Was Comcast Punished?

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Comcast had announced that they already were planning to stop using Sandvine by year's end and that they'd switch to a protocol-agnostic method.
They haven't stopped using Sandvine equipment.

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Re: When Was Comcast Punished?

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They haven't stopped using Sandvine equipment.
You are correct. I should have said Sandvine RSTs.
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And what would give the FCC the power to fine Comcast? The FCC did over step its authority. They have NO control over Network Neutrality as it is not law or rule.

Comcast is just making sure it doesn't happen again. The same as they are doing a SECOND time with the FCC's cap on TV customers. That was struck down by the Courts before and will be again.

The FCC needs to get a life and move on, or better yet, needs to be tossed in the trash can and then we can all move on.
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Re: When Was Comcast Punished?

I could cite the FCC's mission statement, but I think that would be redundant.

Let's put it this way. The courts are heavily influenced by which party has executive and legislative power. Comcast is stepping on eggshells right now.
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Re: When Was Comcast Punished?

EHHHHH.... Comcast has money. Court's don't mean anything when you can buy what you want.

And you being from Cleveland should know that.

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Even if FCC loses, it won't lead to abuses on Net Neutrality

Even if the FCC loses in court over the 4 principles, I doubt it will lead to any big abuses on net neutrality from the ISPs. The Congress and the FCC still have the ability to pressure the ISPs over this with the threat of new laws &/OR real FCC regulations instead of just principles. So, even if Comcast wins in court, it won't really change the power dynamic.

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Re: Even if FCC loses, it won't lead to abuses on Net Neutrality

Seems to me if Comcast wins in court, it just puts pressure on the legislature to create the law for the FCC. Perhaps this is what Comcast wants so they (along with any of the incumbent ISPs) could deploy their lobby arm, grass roots educational services, and think tanks to help shape that law.

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Re: Even if FCC loses, it won't lead to abuses on Net Neutrality

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Seems to me if Comcast wins in court, it just puts pressure on the legislature to create the law for the FCC. Perhaps this is what Comcast wants so they (along with any of the incumbent ISPs) could deploy their lobby arm, grass roots educational services, and think tanks to help shape that law.
A law would be preferred to "principles" where the FCC is concerned. Principles are open ended and would lead to the usual creeping growth of regulation by a gov't agency. A law with strictly constructed provisions would limit the ability of the FCC to extend their bureaucratic powers thru some amorphous and ever changing principles.

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I think you're right. The clever lobbyist would want to keep the existing, fairly wimpy framework in place. Claiming the FCC toothless on this front could backfire and create additional pressure to pass new laws...
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Well...

Chances are, soon we'll have a network neutrality czar and he can boss Comcast around with impugnity.
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Re: Well...

Until Comcast slides enough money under the table to that Czar to get what they want.

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No due process

Whether or not you believe that Comcast should have been "punished" for trying to maintain the quality of its service, the FCC delivered its order in a way that exceeded its statutory authority and flew in the face of due process. See

»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···86A6.pdf

»www.pff.org/news/news/2009/08040···tus.html

and

»www.pff.org/news/news/2009/08100···p2p.html

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comcast is full of crap caps to video hell with them get fios
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