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Except When Suing Them To Prove They Have None
05:55PM Monday Sep 21 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: legal · competition · business · Op/Ed · cable · net-neutrality · Comcast
Comcast today came out with a very interesting post over at the Comcast blog, in which the company pretends to support the FCC's new push to impose network neutrality rules -- sort of. That's strange, given that Comcast sued the FCC when the FCC gave Comcast a love tap for throttling upstream P2P traffic -- a technology debate that first began in our forums and exploded into a national network nerd firestorm. According to chief Comcast lobbying guru David L. Cohen, the company "supports and honors" the FCC's neutrality policies:

The FCC has had a "policy statement" in place since 2005 that sets expectations for "openness" on the Internet. We support and honor those policies. When it was alleged in 2007 that one of Comcast's network management practices regarding uploads of P2P files violated those policies, we defended our actions as a reasonable form of network management.
Technically, Comcast first lied about throttling upstream P2P traffic 24/7, for all users, both in filings and to the press. Then, after Comcast's clumsy bludgeoning of P2P traffic was clearly documented by numerous parties, the carrier engaged in endless semantics and countless denials. Comcast then proceeded to sue the FCC, arguing that existing network neutrality principles are "not binding legal obligations" (pdf) and were utterly unenforceable. If that's Comcast's version of "honor and respect," one would hate to see the carrier when they're feeling cagey and disrespectful.

Granted, the bad press and threat of regulation ultimately resulted in Comcast employing a much more user friendly traffic management system that only temporarily throttles heavy users if they're on a congested node, and they're a major reason that node's congested. Still, Cohen's contention that Comcast didn't come to this resolution kicking, spitting and screaming after months of distortion gives his company considerably more credit than it deserves.

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S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Dude...

he looks like Ralph Cramden
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

pity

well, that said... with a 250gb cap virtually system-wide.. if you live in a geography with monopoly or duopoly who choose not to compete against one another we pity you for not banding together and forcing a 3rd wire last mile provider in your area! the country's largest cable-tv provider with both subscriber numbers and geographies, comcast has created an anti-consumer policy that will force the issue of municipal and/or 3rd party deployments at least as much as telco cherry picking in the coming years.

if you don't build it and serve it the way consumers want (including fair pricing), we WILL eventually force you out of the way and get someone who DOES!
WhatNow
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Charlotte, NC

Re: pity

If the ISPs are turned into dumb pipes then don't be surprised when they put caps on the are not as generous as Comcast and your internet bill also keeps going up even faster then in the past.

The successful content companies get to make tons of profits but they would be nothing if a pipe was not there. But the ISP pipe companies are now being regulated more and more. Your monthly bill goes for that expensive last mile not the backhaul part. If it was so cheap and easy then every neighborhood would have their own HOA internet service.

I feel this will be a case of you will get what you wish for and then you will hate having to pay for it especially if you are heavy user.

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AT&T & Verizon slam the rules application to wireless

»news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10357···35_3-0-5
Jim Cicconi, AT&T's senior vice president of external and legislative affairs, said in a statement. "We were also early supporters of the FCC's current four broadband principles and their case-by-case application to wired networks."

But Cicconi went on to say that the principles and new legislation should not apply to the wireless market.

Verizon, which ended up winning the C Block auction in that auction, also believes that regulation is unnecessary. The company's vice president of regulatory affairs, David Young, said in a panel after Genachowski's speech that these rules will be difficult to implement in the wireless market because of the capacity constraints on wireless networks. But our concern is that these new regulations, which apply regulation to the Internet for the first time, could have unintended consequences."
But one wireless provider supports it:
Clearwire, which is building a nationwide 4G wireless network, using spectrum from Sprint Nextel, and investment from Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Google, and Intel, fully supports the FCC's efforts.

"Clearwire applauds the chairman's efforts to safeguard an open Internet and his desire to strike a balance between consumers' need for open, rich access to the Internet and appropriate network management practices," Mike Sievert, chief commercial officer for Clearwire, said in a statement.

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JKM

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Re: AT&T & Verizon slam the rules application to wireless

If you believe the Clearwire bull#$@%, I have some ocean front property in Missouri really cheap, call me. Check how happy their new customers are with their popped Clearwire bubbles. They talk a good line, but they historically don't walk it. It's all about positive publicity for Clearwire.

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Re: AT&T & Verizon slam the rules application to wireless

If AT&T and Verizon are against it, then you can pretty much guarantee it's probably a good idea.

JKM

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Re: AT&T & Verizon slam the rules application to wireless

An interesting way to analyze the value of a statement made by a company who is not providing what they advertise. If A and B disagree then C is surely right. Even if they have lied or deceived their customers. That's kind of like the way we elect our politicians. Pick the lesser of the evils.
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Re: AT&T & Verizon slam the rules application to wireless

I didn't say I was supporting Clearwire, but generally from experience if AT&T and Verizon are set against it, it's good for consumers.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

»news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10357···35_3-0-5
Jim Cicconi, AT&T's senior vice president of external and legislative affairs, said in a statement. "We were also early supporters of the FCC's current four broadband principles and their case-by-case application to wired networks."

But Cicconi went on to say that the principles and new legislation should not apply to the wireless market.

Verizon, which ended up winning the C Block auction in that auction, also believes that regulation is unnecessary. The company's vice president of regulatory affairs, David Young, said in a panel after Genachowski's speech that these rules will be difficult to implement in the wireless market because of the capacity constraints on wireless networks. But our concern is that these new regulations, which apply regulation to the Internet for the first time, could have unintended consequences."
But one wireless provider supports it:
Clearwire, which is building a nationwide 4G wireless network, using spectrum from Sprint Nextel, and investment from Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Google, and Intel, fully supports the FCC's efforts.

"Clearwire applauds the chairman's efforts to safeguard an open Internet and his desire to strike a balance between consumers' need for open, rich access to the Internet and appropriate network management practices," Mike Sievert, chief commercial officer for Clearwire, said in a statement.
Two maybe? We don't have any caps. I have users that burn through 12GB daily with P2P. Customers running Vonage, Magic Jack, IM, BitTorrent, etc. all day. It's amazing how easy it is to manage a network when you don't waste resources trying to stop BitTorrent or XYZ VoIP service. Just keep the bandwidth allocated fair among everyone and no complaints
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MRCUR

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Columbia, PA

Liars...

Shut up Comcast. Acknowledge you screwed up and then you can *maybe* start to say you support neutrality.

Regarding Clearwire, I hope Comcast doesn't do anything to shut them up. Heaven forbid their money goes to helping keep the Internet as open as possible.

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"David L. Cohen" hasn't missed a meal in years..

"David L. Cohen" hasn't missed a meal in years and has no intention of doing so.

All lights and mirrors to gain FCC favor. In the next dribble, we'll see caps and web filtering, but "David L. Cohen", of course, do remember, came out with this statement, which makes him feel good at his next meal.

digitalfreak

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Re: "David L. Cohen" hasn't missed a meal in years..

If someone slaps his face, it takes 3 days for it to stop jiggling...

duder

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dont buy there crap

get some other provider

5 caps for a dollar
TooFastFlash

join:2009-04-26
Clarion, PA

Let's Everyone Cry Caps

Like I always say to people who are the first to cry caps on these posts, I hear dial-up comes real cheap.

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Ready between the lines

Maybe the reason for this new blog post is hinting that Comcast's lawsuits are not giving them what they want and are going south? From my experience somebody when who has dealt out underhanded and dishonorable behavior starts playing fair it's usually because they have no other choice... or they got caught.

asdfdfdfdfdf

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Goes to show that the tone government sets is important...

perhaps even more so than the specific rules.

Comcast understands that they are functioning in a different political environment today than they were a year or two ago.
SuperWISP

join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY

Another misleading article from Karl

Comcast said that it honored the ideas in the policy statement. It did not say that it believed the FCC had the right to enforce it.

And it doesn't. The FCC does not have the power to regulate data services.
WernerSchutz

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Sugar Land, TX


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Re: Another misleading article from Karl

Then maybe the federal government should step in and break CC into smaller pieces as they did with the phone company.

If there is anything misleading is CC's statements, not Karl's articles. The statements in question here look exactly like Mr. Cohen here. There is an established trail of CC statements that you may want to re-read before calling misleading Karl's articles.
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