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Comcast Hopes Wi-Fi Can Fend Off Google Fiber
by Karl Bode 12:28PM Friday Oct 18 2013
Responding to Google Fiber's entry into Provo, insiders recently told me Comcast had started offering 105 Mbps bundle prices that are considerably lower than you'll find in most Comcast markets. As an added wrinkle, Comcast this week stated they're greatly expanding Wi-Fi availability all across Utah, now offering more than 1,000 hotspots across Ogden, Salt Lake City, Provo and many other cities along the Wasatch Front. The service is free for Comcast subscribers. Non subscribers can connect for free twice for an hour each month -- beyond which they'll pay a fee. Comcast is also heavily expanding their Wi-Fi offerings in Kansas City.

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Typical Comcast

As in all things Comcast (like lower prices) ... this will undoubtedly only be available in areas that have competition, in this case Google Fiber.

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Re: Typical Comcast

That's how it works in just about every industry...
FirebirdTN

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Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

"Free" Wifi for Comcast subscribers?

Maybe I'm just bitter because my market recently was added to the "test" areas, but *IF* they bring back the caps in that Market, then it won't be free. Using the Comcast Wifi goes against your data cap.

-Alan
silbaco
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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

They won't bring caps back to a Google Fiber market.

PaulHikeS2

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Manchester, NH
Using Comcast Wifi does not go against your data cap. This is referring to Wifi hotspots.
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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

said by PaulHikeS2:

Using Comcast Wifi does not go against your data cap. This is referring to Wifi hotspots.

Whats the difference? Here at work we provide "Comcast Wifi", and it requires you to log in. Or, if your not a comcast customer, you can have your credit card ready. They even state so in the article. And if you do log in, you bet it goes against your cap here!

But, as another user stated...they won't bring the CAPS back in competitive markets.

-Alan
TBBroadband

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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

Do you actually have proof that Wifi usage goes against the caps???
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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

Hmmm, I can't find any reference to an official stance on this now. I know I read it somewhere (I read it on the internet, so it must be true, right? j/k).

If in fact Wifi does NOT go against the cap, maybe I should have them install one in my home, and just hook my network up to the HotSpot's router...

-Alan

PaulHikeS2

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Manchester, NH

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Again, this is a Wifi hotspot. You are not using your connection. No it does not go against your data caps because it's not your data. But if you want, simply look up Comcast's acceptable use policy. I just did. Under Data Consumption, it states that Comcast is not currently applying a monthly data consumption threshold to Xfinity internet accounts. So there is no cap, apparently.
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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

You are right, I cannot find any reference to this in regards to usage and Hotspots...

BUT....I am in a test market. Here at work we have two separate devices: one for customer, and one for Wifi Hotspot.

Since I am now subject to a 300GB cap, what would prevent me from having Comcast install a separate HotSpot router in my home, and then I just connect all my devices up to it instead of my normal router.....That would defeat the usage cap, no? That is unless they count hotspot usage as well...I am seriously asking...not trying to be sarcastic.

I wish they would state clearly this question of usage for us that are in test markets (which are expanding). But, since this is derailing the OT, I will just concede to say I can't find an answer to this question one way or another.

-Alan

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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

Do they install hotspots in homes? I assumed they were for business sites.
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Re: Free Wifi......until they bring Data Caps back...

Opps, I edited my post after your reply; Please read again.

To answer that question: In homes yes they will, BUT...I know they are really favoring "all in one" gateways (probably for this very reason-defeating caps?). But what about guys like me-I already own my own device, and don't want a gateway. I wonder if they would add a "separate" hotspot, or require me to switch to a gateway...

-Alan
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What Firebird is talking about is the Comcast comments a couple months ago; about installing an all in one gateway with two networks- one private for the customer and then an open one called CableWifi for the public. The customer would still have to purchase services on both sides to use the service as it would not be open to just everyone. You need a Cable Wifi Account.
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Ummm...

You're going to have to try harder than that to convince people to not buy 1000/1000 internet service for $70 a month.
silbaco
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Re: Ummm...

Maybe, maybe not. $70 is the key there. This isn't a time where people like to spend more money than they have to on luxury services.
dfxmatt

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Re: Ummm...

Not "this"

more like "there"

as in: there isn't a time when people like to spend more money than they have to on luxury services.

people know when they are being overcharged.
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However more and more people would rather have higher speed than needed and dump pay TV. Some friends of mine in KC who cannot regularly afford luxury services but depend on internet access for living dumped TWC for Google Fiber w/out TV (for not much more than TWC internet only if dumping pay TV).

They are satisfied with Roku/Playon/Hulu/Youtube (though maybe torrenting too). As more and more free streaming content comes available, pay TV is becoming less desirable and paying just a bit more for high end connection becomes worth it. $70 for 1Gbit is definitely a game changer if you directly or loosely depend on the internet, which more and more do.
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Re: Ummm...

But in the end, you're not going to use that full gig on the Internet. You will rarely find any server or another user that you're peered with that will allow you to use that full speed.

Google is only doing this to see how many providers follow. The same as they've done with other services. They're in the business of spending $$$$ on hobbies only to change minds later not to make $$$.
xenophon

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Re: Ummm...

^What a terrible thing they are doing. Gasp. Shame on them for encouraging other ISPs to improve service. Give it up man.
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Re: Ummm...

They're not encouraging. Instead their running a scam that in the end will leave these customers without anything or back to the high prices when the network is sold off. Google never encourages anything. If they did; they wouldn't have given up on their open cell network nor open handsets - which they gave up on BOTH!

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Oh. In that case we should all just go back to dial-up then as some servers only have a T1 connection and thus you'd never get the full 10 mbit down a cable connection would offer.

Seriously, who cares if you can't get the entire gig from a single server. You are aware multiple people in a house can use the connection at the same time, right? Even if only 1 person was using it and was "only" getting 150 mbps, that's still 5 times faster then my connection and at $70/mo is cheaper to boot!

/M
ISurfTooMuch

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I suspect that this is aimed squarely at the folks who don't understand how much faster Google Fiber really is. To them, Comcast offers Internet, and Google offers Internet. No difference. But now Comcast has all these wi-fi hotspots, and Google doesn't; therefore, Comcast must be better.

Bootes
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Re: Ummm...

I understand, but honestly I don't really care all that much. I'm completely happy with the speeds we have right now. I'd rather keep the same speeds and have WiFi access everywhere than increase my speeds.

The only issue is that when Comcast was my ISP, I could rarely actually reach the speed I was paying for and during peak hours the network would barely work.

However, I'm currently mostly using TWC now and it works great.

woody7
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

so competition does work..................
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Re: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Comcast had started offering 105 Mbps bundle prices that are considerably lower than you'll find in most Comcast markets"

Yeah,
That's pretty amazing, isn't it!!
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WiFi seems to be how the cablecos are competing

TWC has made huge strides in Austin with their WiFi/CableWiFi since Google Fiber was announced. In other TX cities, their WiFi is practically nonexistent.

They're obviously hoping that they can keep Google Fiber out of enough homes that Google won't be able to just rely on a combination of Starbucks locations and GFiber customers to create a free large-scale WiFi network of their own in GFiber enabled cities.

Can't fault them for doing this, and CableWiFi is handy in buildings that tend to have poor cell service, but TWC is going to have to try harder to keep folks from going with GFiber.
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Re: WiFi seems to be how the cablecos are competing

TWC and the MSOs aren't the only ones that are using CableWifi, we are able to have our clients access it as well.

But TWC and AT&T know that GF won't be available for sometime, in that time they could open those hotspots and allow people to sign up for services and only use those hotspots - such as a basic connection of 5megs or so. It has endless options available and a network that can and will support it.

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My Comcast bill keeps on going up and up

I wish Google would deploy their fiber in more areas. I've had the same double play plan for a couple of years (TV and Internet) and my bill is almost at $200/month. I don't ever remember telling Comcast to change my plan so I'm not sure why my bill keeps on rising.

RWSI

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Albuquerque, NM

WiFi Vs Fiber

So called Muni wifi has serious issues from hacking to severe interference. Yes is some cases wifi has benefits over fiber but have Google Fios installed and have your very own secure and most of the time faster internet connection than slow and old copper Comcast. Comcast has latency issues and really can't support the new wireless technologies available. 60GHz has arrived with blazing speeds and next led ultra highspeed. Comcast just crashed... OUCH!
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time

By the time your done downloading on the GIGABIT service, you won't need to connect via wifi when your out and about.. most likely you've loaded up on media to take with you BEFORE you bring your smartphones, tablets & digital media devices around.

The only other killer app is VOIP usage to cut down the Telco fleecing. Meh, there are cheap enough prepaid minutes plans for this to be moot.

Unfortunately I can't throw $70 at Google for gigabit fiber becuase it isn't here as an option. Over time the $70 pricetag will become an easier to afford option, but if google really wanted to kick things up a notch with uptake rates from competitors, they could EASILY offer around 400/400 for $30 and disrupt all cable company plans to keep customers. It easily goes without saying that if your paying $70 for gigabit internet you are probably NOT going to want to spend much more to buy cable-tv since the biggest killer app for gigabit is to stream HD video-- or download to multiple devices simultaneously; just not 24/7/365 as it is not a commercial grade service.. just best effort speed.

Let's see speeds & prices offered anywhere near this by ANY cableco or telco.. it will be years before that could happen just for reasons of last mile buildng alone.
cdbma

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Bolton, MA

won't help my town

This article brings to mind that my town is currently reviewing its 10-year contract with Comcast, which will expire next year. What alternatives do we have? Well, none. Zip. Nada. Verizon is not interested, and no other cable company is either. So, it's Comcast or a satellite dish. Currently waiting for my next price increase.
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Cable

Today the host on a webcast/radio show from Petaluma, Ca. discussed broadband options with a caller. He reflected on the local problems with the Comcast cable exclusive (as a result of Fed. non-comp regs). Specifically, that Comcast made 'promises' to the city gov't to 'win' the cable monopoly (such as wiring the schools etc.), and then never did same. Once 'wired', and with customers dependent, Comcast yawned and forgot their promises. Google could actually be a 'good guy' by comparison.

Hobo

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C o m c r a p wifi is a joke !

comcrap WifI is a joke, just like Brian B.S. Roberts