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San Antonio, TX | IPv6 Routers Cool... but my mind is just floored by the thought of all those cheap consumer routers that are currently out there in the wild that will also need to be replaced.
On that note, anybody know of some good routers that support IPv6 right now? | |
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Lakewood, OH | Re: IPv6 Routers Actually no, I believe the last 2 or 3 revisions all support IPv6. I have the newest dual-band version and I know it does. | |
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|  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| |  Chris 313Come get somePremium
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Houma, LA | Re: IPv6 Routers Time to reset the giant Linksys internet router! | |
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kudos:1 | I have a DIR-601 which supports IPv6 out of the box. | |
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| | | | Re: IPv6 Routers You sure about that? See, D-Link like to surprise their customers with things right out of the box.
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|  heat84Bit Torrent Apologist
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | You can't add IPv6 support with a firmware update on those "cheap consumer routers"? Or is it that the manufacturers don't even support them anymore? | |
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | I give Comcast a lot of credit for pushing forward on Ipv6. It's nothing short of inevitable.
Not a HUGE fan of Comcast, but I give them credit on this one. A lot of users are going to see disruptions due to the need for Ipv6, so to bring it to the forefront is a good thing for everyone....
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|  koitsuPremium,MVM
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kudos:14 | said by kpfx:On that note, anybody know of some good routers that support IPv6 right now? Any of the Linux-based routers (Linksys, Buffalo, Asus, some Netgear units, etc.) with third-party firmwares tend to support this, although TomatoUSB is behind in this regard -- you apparently have to try a trunk build which has 100% confirmed (serious) bugs in it per the person who built it.
AFAIK, there aren't any consumer routers that do IPv6 out-of-the-box.
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| | brad
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: IPv6 Routers said by koitsu:AFAIK, there aren't any consumer routers that do IPv6 out-of-the-box.
There are a number of D-Link routers that do. Billion has 2 models that do now and new firmware will be issued soon for a number of existing models. Netgear has beta firmware for a few models too. Strangely enough for Cisco owning the Linksys brand they're epic fail for v6 support. | |
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| | | koitsuPremium,MVM
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kudos:14 | Re: IPv6 Routers said by brad:said by koitsu:AFAIK, there aren't any consumer routers that do IPv6 out-of-the-box.
There are a number of D-Link routers that do. Billion has 2 models that do now and new firmware will be issued soon for a number of existing models. Netgear has beta firmware for a few models too. Strangely enough for Cisco owning the Linksys brand they're epic fail for v6 support. Interesting, didn't know about D-Link having IPv6 support, and have never heard of Billion. I imagine that most users are not going to run beta firmwares, so that mostly rules out Netgear (as of this writing). I imagine it's going to fall on the responsibility of ISPs to tell their customers "if you have router X, you need firmware version Y to get IPv6", and I imagine a lot of residential router vendors aren't going to provide IPv6 stacks on lots of routers for multitudes of reasons (limited flash space, deprecated hardware, too many subrevisions of hardware to deal with, you name it). I'm certain the industry will use this opportunity to try and force customers to replace their hardware.
As for Cisco/Linksys, it's important to remember that Linksys is a subsidiary of Cisco, which means they effectively operate on their own. Linksys has historically subbed out all of their firmware work to a company in Taiwan called CyberTan, and this hasn't changed despite the buyout. TL;DR version: Don't expect Cisco enterprise quality from Linksys products.
On the other hand, I think the DD-WRT 3rd party firmware does offer IPv6 capability, but lots of people tend to stick with the Tomato series simply for its UI and fairly slim-lined operation (DD-WRT is a beast).
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: IPv6 Routers said by koitsu:As for Cisco/Linksys, it's important to remember that Linksys is a subsidiary of Cisco, which means they effectively operate on their own. Linksys has historically subbed out all of their firmware work to a company in Taiwan called CyberTan, and this hasn't changed despite the buyout. TL;DR version: Don't expect Cisco enterprise quality from Linksys products.
I understand that, but it's still egg on Cisco's face. I also don't expect the same quality. But Cisco has been able to deal with v6 support for the majority of their other products with the big exception being the Cisco (Linksys) CPE gear which is the biggest issue holding up further mass scale roll out of v6. | |
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kudos:6 | said by koitsu:AFAIK, there aren't any consumer routers that do IPv6 out-of-the-box.
Apple's routers do IPv6 out of the box.
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|  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | time to flash dd-wrt. | |
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| | It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml
Sort on status and look for UNALLOCATED.
The 5 remaining blocks of IP addresses should automatically be given out today, or ASAP.
Someone tell Karl! | |
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| koitsuPremium,MVM
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kudos:14 | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by AstroBoy:http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml
Sort on status and look for UNALLOCATED.
The 5 remaining blocks of IP addresses should automatically be given out today, or ASAP. A co-worker of mine who also is part of ARIN tells me that the remaining five /8 networks will be delegated later this week. I still want to know what in the hell APNIC needs all of this IP space for.
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| | brad
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by koitsu:I still want to know what in the hell APNIC needs all of this IP space for.
There are these things called computers and various other electronic devices connected to networks. | |
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kudos:14 | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by brad:said by koitsu:I still want to know what in the hell APNIC needs all of this IP space for.
There are these things called computers and various other electronic devices connected to networks. Sorry, doesn't fly. Every device in the world does not need a public IPv4 address to function; NAT, despite being an atrocity, takes care of that. Hint: APNIC has over 37% of the entire IPv4 space. Ask yourself if they really need that much.
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by koitsu:Sorry, doesn't fly. Every device in the world does not need a public IPv4 address to function; NAT, despite being an atrocity, takes care of that. Hint: APNIC has over 37% of the entire IPv4 space. Ask yourself if they really need that much.
No NAT does not take care of everything. There is more to the Internet than consumer Internet connections. | |
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kudos:14 | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by brad:said by koitsu:Sorry, doesn't fly. Every device in the world does not need a public IPv4 address to function; NAT, despite being an atrocity, takes care of that. Hint: APNIC has over 37% of the entire IPv4 space. Ask yourself if they really need that much.
No NAT does not take care of everything. There is more to the Internet than consumer Internet connections. Let me put it into numbers for you. APNIC has 46 /8 networks allocated to them as of today. Not taking into consideration subnetting requirements (e.g. broadcast and network addresses), that's 771,751,936 IP addresses (16777216 * 46) allocated to just APNIC.
Seven hundred and seventy one MILLION IP addresses for effectively one region. So again: what the hell is APNIC doing with all of this address space?
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| | | | | | | | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses probably hoarding them. lol, jk. Figure that every website needs its own unique IP address, and that is my guess as to what there are. tho, 771 million webpages on the web seems excessive, its not a far stretch, really. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by Chubbysumo:probably hoarding them. lol, jk. Figure that every website needs its own unique IP address, and that is my guess as to what there are. tho, 771 million webpages on the web seems excessive, its not a far stretch, really.
Not every website needs its own unique IP address. Virtual hosts have been in use for years and every modern day browser supports virtual hosts on the server side. You can point several web server names to one IP, it's not rocket science. | |
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| | | | | | | | said by koitsu:said by brad:said by koitsu:Sorry, doesn't fly. Every device in the world does not need a public IPv4 address to function; NAT, despite being an atrocity, takes care of that. Hint: APNIC has over 37% of the entire IPv4 space. Ask yourself if they really need that much.
No NAT does not take care of everything. There is more to the Internet than consumer Internet connections. Let me put it into numbers for you. APNIC has 46 /8 networks allocated to them as of today. Not taking into consideration subnetting requirements (e.g. broadcast and network addresses), that's 771,751,936 IP addresses (16777216 * 46) allocated to just APNIC. Seven hundred and seventy one MILLION IP addresses for effectively one region. So again: what the hell is APNIC doing with all of this address space? There are more legacy allocations of entire /8s to individual US organizations than allocations to APNIC. Counting these legacy allocations together with the ones to ARIN, the US and Canada have close to half of the available space. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses said by pandora:How would we persuade a large multi-national corporation to surrender half or more of it's non-replaceable and free IP addresses?
You don't, why try to delay what everyone has known will happen for over a decade? As the saying goes, "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."
IANA long ago determined that asking legacy netblock owners to return space wouldn't result in any meaningful delay. I believe they did get one or two /8s back anyway. Though we are currently using up about one /8 per month, so that only delayed it by two months.
For any organization that isn't ready or actively working on it, do you really think they will make any progress if they are given more time? No, they'll just put it off for another year and then complain again that they don't have enough time. | |
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| | | | | | | | What's wrong with APNIC having 46 /8's? The APNIC region is bigger in population that the ARIN region, and ARIN has a whole hell of a lot more /8's than APNIC.
What you should be complaining about is why is AFRINIC getting one of the last 5 /8's when they just got a /8.
Just how fast do we think the Internet in Africa is growing? | |
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| | | | | | | | said by koitsu:Seven hundred and seventy one MILLION IP addresses for effectively one region. So again: what the hell is APNIC doing with all of this address space?
Growing like heck is what their doing. APNIC is currently growing faster than all other regions *combined*. APNIC includes China and India. | |
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| | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | what does the USPS need all that address space for? | |
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| MrHappy316Wish I had my tankPremium
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Summerville, SC | Don't worry, supposedly there's a bunch soon to be available from Egypt | |
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| | | | Re: It looks like the internet has run out of IPv4 addresses Oh Mr. Happy your so right!
But those will only last for 1 extra day. | |
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| | | said by AstroBoy:http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml
Sort on status and look for UNALLOCATED.
The 5 remaining blocks of IP addresses should automatically be given out today, or ASAP.
Someone tell Karl!
Even when these /8's are allocated from IANA to the registrars, they won't automatically be used up. They'll still be assigned out in pieces according to the registrars' policies.
They are still going to be allocating them for the next couple of years, and it will take a couple of years after that until the companies that received these IP's are using them all.
By then, hopefully panic mode will have kicked in for IPv6 and it will be more widely used on the content side. | |
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join:2003-04-16
Denver, CO | Which Router Setting Should I Use? Attached is a screen shot of the router setting options I have for a DIR-655. Presently set for "Local Link", which (I believe) allows the "Home Group" networking feature to work.
Which option should I use to get IPv6 for an IP address? (and still allow "Home Group" of course). | |
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| | | Re: Which Router Setting Should I Use? said by Loose Wire:Attached is a screen shot of the router setting options I have for a DIR-655. Presently set for "Local Link", which (I believe) allows the "Home Group" networking feature to work.
Which option should I use to get IPv6 for an IP address? (and still allow "Home Group" of course).
The option you should use depends on who your ISP is and what they told you to use to obtain an IPv6 address.
Link-Local should always be active in IPv6, regardless of what you have set. It is part of the IPv6 standard, the IPv6 link-local addresses are auto generated by the OS based, and will always be the same. | |
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| | Loose WireHere, Hold My Beer And Watch ThisPremium
join:2003-04-16
Denver, CO | Re: Which Router Setting Should I Use? said by skuv :The option you should use depends on who your ISP is and what they told you to use to obtain an IPv6 address.
Link-Local should always be active in IPv6, regardless of what you have set. It is part of the IPv6 standard, the IPv6 link-local addresses are auto generated by the OS based, and will always be the same.
ISP is Comcast and they haven't told me anything. Just saw this thread and wanted to jump on the bandwagon.  | |
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join:2005-03-19 | they should give users delegated access to assign recursive dns servers for their ipv6 addresses. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: they should An easy way is to just build the router yourself. Get an unused computer, put 3 nics in it and install pfsense. 1 will be wan, 1 lan, and for the third use a wireless pci card. This setup will setup ipv6 out of the box and you will have an ultra secure firewall for your network as well. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: they should oops. i didn't mean recursive. i meant reverse. | |
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