 JeffreyConnoisseur of leisurely thingsPremium join:2002-12-24 Long Island kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Needed for customers
I'm sort of against the idea of the cap (please, no big flames on that), but back when DSLR broke the story in May, I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. One can't expect the average person to know how to keep track of their use in a single computer environment (with or without a router)--imagine a household with four or five computers, an Xbox 360, and other devices that download content.
I'm glad Comcast is coming out with this for their customers, and assuming it's accurate and working properly, I think the 3hr time-delay is perfectly acceptable. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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 |  3 edits | Re: Needed for customers Yeah, 3 hour delay isn't bad IMO. I was thinking it would be more like 24 hours. I'm sure the delay will get better in the future too.
I guess customers will still be liable for the amount they download after during the delayed window. | |
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| Re: Needed for customers said by TF2:Yeah, 3 hour delay isn't bad IMO. I was thinking it would be more like 24 hours. I'm sure the delay will get better in the future too. I guess customers will still be liable for the amount they download after during the delayed window. If you're getting close to the 250GB cap with 3 hours to spare in the month, I think the best bet would just be to go read a book for 3 hours, or like you suggested, pay for the overage fees. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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 |  |  |  SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Re: Needed for customers Just a point: there is no liability, only throttling. | |
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 |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: Needed for customers I think you're going to start seeing more of that. Belkin is already making a router that shows you the overall speed of your network connection. (though the router generally has poor reviews) I think you're going to start seeing that kind of stuff coming to be more normal soon. | |
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I really think this is just all hot air. Especially when a large ISP says that only 1% will actually hit the cap? Either thats total BS, or they wont "enforce" it. For example, if you use 251GB they will let you slide, but use 500GB they will throw the book at you kind of thing. But, if they charge me 1 red penny over what my normal bill is, I am calling up and complaining/reporting to the BBB. Even if I was in the wrong, I still don't believe that caps are the solution to network congestion. Society doesn't learn, you must force its hands. If you don't want your network congested, make it so the users can't congest it. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best solutions. | |
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 |  |  |  |  POBRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA | Re: Needed for customers said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:[...]if they charge me 1 red penny over what my normal bill is, I am calling up and complaining/reporting to the BBB. LMAO. The BBB is the bought and paid for whore for business. They don't give a damn about your consumer complaints. It's like going to the foxes guarding the henhouse and complaining that the guards are killing the hens. -- The Toll
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 |  |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | Re: Needed for customers Yes, the BBB is a bought-and-paid-for reputation service.
But, they've actually helped me more than once and they actually do help warn folks off of truly bad businesses.
The point is moot because Comcast isn't charging for overages. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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| said by k1ll3rdr4g0n: If you don't want your network congested, make it so the users can't congest it. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best solutions. are you saying they just need to increase overall capacity? or design the network to be able to handle full load? i believe the rule for engineering is + or - 30%. so IIRC they need to make the damn network work for what they sell + or - 30%. i'm going out on a limb here but if they did this, then maybe just maybe they wouldn't see anywhere near the congestion that they "see". | |
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 |  PhilRojo SolPremium join:2001-06-11 Downers Grove, IL kudos:2 | What would be even better is no caps at all, hence no need for the monitor. | |
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| Re: Needed for customers said by Phil:What would be even better is no caps at all, hence no need for the monitor. That would have been great, and I agree with you. Time for Comcast customers to rethink whether or not they want to continue services. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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 |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Needed for customers said by Jeffrey:said by Phil:What would be even better is no caps at all, hence no need for the monitor. That would have been great, and I agree with you. Time for Comcast customers to rethink whether or not they want to continue services. Most won't care because as of right now the vast majority won't go over the caps. Even I wouldn't come close to going over a 250 GB cap. Now in 2-3-4 years who knows. By then Comcast may increase the cap again so it still isn't an issue. TW is the one that is going to have issues with their caps very shortly after they institute them nationwide. 40 GB is a joke. At&t caps aren't much better. | |
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 |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | said by Jeffrey:I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. I doubt that average people have anything to worry about with a 250 GB/mth cap, whether they can monitor their usage or not. | |
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| Re: Needed for customers said by openbox9:said by Jeffrey:I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. I doubt that average people have anything to worry about with a 250 GB/mth cap, whether they can monitor their usage or not. This is probably true, but as more people get exposed to services that require large downloads, over time, the average person may need to become aware. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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 |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: Needed for customers Agreed. I also expect Comcast (and other providers) to increase their caps over time as infrastructure allows and applications/content become available that drive the average person's usage. | |
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 |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | Re: Needed for customers said by openbox9:I also expect Comcast (and other providers) to increase their caps over time as infrastructure allows and applications/content become available that drive the average person's usage. If there are caps in place, venture capitalists are less likely to invest in the development of bandwidth-using applications/content. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: Needed for customers Are you suggesting that Internet applications/content will plateau at their current state when caps are imposed? I don't believe that to be true at all. If anything, we'll see better thought and efficiency in development of applications/content. Furthermore, if venture capitalists truly see dollar signs in future development of applications/content, they should seriously look at the venture from content development to delivery to the consumer when they're throwing money around. All too often around the Internet, it seems they forget about the "delivery to the consumer" part. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | Re: Needed for customers said by openbox9:Are you suggesting that Internet applications/content will plateau at their current state when caps are imposed? I don't believe that to be true at all. If anything, we'll see better thought and efficiency in development of applications/content. Furthermore, if venture capitalists truly see dollar signs in future development of applications/content, they should seriously look at the venture from content development to delivery to the consumer when they're throwing money around. All too often around the Internet, it seems they forget about the "delivery to the consumer" part. Well can we start with the idiocy that is encapsulating .FLV in TCP?
Secondly, I'll pay my ISP for my communications needs. I don't ever want the situation where my ISP is double-dealing behind my back -- steering me to the content he wants me to use because he's made a special deal with its provider. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: Needed for customers said by funchords:I don't ever want the situation where my ISP is double-dealing behind my back -- steering me to the content he wants me to use because he's made a special deal with its provider. I meant for investors to build out infrastructure, not slip money into the greasy palms of incumbent ISPs. | |
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They block ISP's en masse from connecting with their system on the pretext of "blocking spammers" but what it means is email doesn't get to you (or "me" or my family, or...) unless the email comes from a source they approve. then to make it worse they send back an error code with some message indicating the email address is no good (mine, that is) or is "not functioning", or the account doesn't exist, or whatever comes next in their random excuse generators...
I lost a job because of it, they told my bank that my account didn't exist, they said i wasn't allowed to use the email account (like I was committing some sort of fraud...)
What it boils down to is that I PAY THEM yet I am screwed because they seem to get into feuds with other ISP's on a regular basis, or because there is no revenue stream from that area (is it all kickbacks, rebates, and payoffs?) - anyhow, I complained, went as fart as petitioning my local government to rescind their franchise. They "fixed the problem" and they rejected all the email from my credit card issuer and my bank the same day, and do still.
Behind my back? - they maintain they do not reject electronic communications like that, or even if they do, its their system so they can run it however they see fit. (contractual and legal issues there , no doubt) - ALL THIS AND THEY DO NOT EVEN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BLOCKING COMMUNICATIONS OR ELECTRONIC STREAMS SENT TO YOU !!!
They seem to do the same with their VOIP phone service.
I have not received, and likely still do not get calls (not email, PHONE CALLS) from certain people or providers (like Ohio Bell, not some made up carrier) because they say that the transmitted data originates from a source that has been listed as allowing - [NOT CREATING OR KNOWING ABOUT BUT JUST ALLOWING] unsolicited and/or harassing communications to be sent via their switch(es) - Blocking my phone calls because comcast's (3rd party, outsourced, in etheopi-afganist-argentin-exico) blacklist publishers don't like the company that [my sister, cousin, insurance agent, etc] gets their service from... AND, AGAIN, THEY DO NOT TELL ME THAT PEOPLE TRIED TO SEND ME ANYTHING OR TRIED TO CALL. THEY ALSO DO NOT TELL THE OTHER PARTIES THAT THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH YOU DUE TO A N ISSUE BETWEEN PROVIDERS OR NETWORKS OR THAT YOUR COMMUNICATIONS ARE FILTERED - THEY JUST SEEM TO RANDOMLY ISSUE ERROR MESSAGES, NONE OF WHICH ARE HONEST AT FACE VALUE, OR PLAY RECORDINGS THAT SAY MY NUMBER IS NOT IN SERVICE (the same one you get when someone didn't pay their bill)OR... They also won't admit doing it, unless you get someone to pull up the switch and trace the errors, or whatever its called, and then the response id that that they didn't block it, someone else did... SURE, the someone else who they contract to do it.
Face it I cannot communicate with anyone who hasn't made a special deal with someone. And I can't seem to make any kind of deal with comcast. -
I cringe in typing this, bit I really miss the RCN life - and the RCN customer service, and the RCN way of dealing with business. IF I paid them, I got what I paid for, and if I agreed to their up sell pitches, I got more than I expected in return.
Unfortunately, I could not afford the bill when it jumped from 129.00 per month to 298.00 (with no notice, and no change in service...) - And, face it, now, after experiencing the comcastic (maybe com-dishonest?) horror show, I think I'd give up a meal or two a day if that would get me back there!
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 |  NOCManMacChatterPremium join:2004-09-30 Colorado Springs, CO | I'm just wondering how I go about getting credit for traffic I did not request. All these scans coming from various places is eating up my caps and I'm not happy.
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 |  jkj860The Final Frontier join:2002-01-10 Valparaiso, IN Reviews:
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| said by Jeffrey:I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. One can't expect the average person to know how to keep track of their use in a single computer environment (with or without a router)--imagine a household with four or five computers, an Xbox 360, and other devices that download content. I'm glad Comcast is coming out with this for their customers, and assuming it's accurate and working properly, I think the 3hr time-delay is perfectly acceptable. I have been monitoring my usage since September. With 4 computers, 2 xbox's live, CDV, 2 psp's and an IPOD all connected to my network I have used just under 75 gig's. Thats in four months. I think i will be OK with the caps. -- I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard is not what I meant. Nixon | |
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 |  |  JeffreyConnoisseur of leisurely thingsPremium join:2002-12-24 Long Island kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: Needed for customers said by jkj860:said by Jeffrey:I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. One can't expect the average person to know how to keep track of their use in a single computer environment (with or without a router)--imagine a household with four or five computers, an Xbox 360, and other devices that download content. I'm glad Comcast is coming out with this for their customers, and assuming it's accurate and working properly, I think the 3hr time-delay is perfectly acceptable. I have been monitoring my usage since September. With 4 computers, 2 xbox's live, CDV, 2 psp's and an IPOD all connected to my network I have used just under 75 gig's. Thats in four months. I think i will be OK with the caps. That's good that you've been monitoring that, and are under the usage. I'm the type of user that comes very close to 250 and sometimes goes over. I don't watch my own usage regularly because there are no caps, but if I moved to a Comcast area I would have to scale back my usage.
I'm against all of these caps, but at least Comcast is providing a measuring tool with an appropriate time delay. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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 jester121Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | T'will be interesting... I have a ballpark idea of how much bandwidth I use in a given month, and I have an idea I'm probably slightly right of center on the bell-shaped curve. But I'll be very interested to know "officially" how much is moving through that little blue modem on the shelf, factoring in 4 PCs, 2 laptops, DirecTV, XBox, and who knows what else. | |
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| Would take quite some time. I do heavy downloads at times, I've had 40+ GB in 24hrs when I was on OOL, but I don't see anyone but the P2P maniacs getting close to that limit. Quality video is in the neighborhood of 500M for 1hr, that gives the equivalent of 500hrs/month. 4 people watching 4 hours/day, everyday. If you're on the computer that much you need to get a life. | |
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 |  |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA kudos:18 | Re: How long before you hit the cap? said by cowboyro:If you're on the computer that much you need to get a life. ... or a new set of legs, eh?  Computers are all I have to keep me from Cabin Fever. Even so, I kill Comcast at 30 - 35GB per month... and yes I download movies. 250GB? Please! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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| said by cowboyro:If you're on the computer that much you need to get a life. What's "life", and where can I get one?  | |
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 perki join:2008-12-01 Santa Maria, CA | This Is going to be fun Ive always wondered how much bandwidth i use. My guess is 200 gigs a month. Between the Zune Pass, Xbox Live, Netflix, Hulu, and Direct 2 Drive. | |
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 |  ChiyoSave Me Konata-ChanPremium join:2003-02-20 Charlotte, NC kudos:1 | Re: This Is going to be fun Well until they drop this tool they better not bother me about cap overages or anything. If they do I'll fire back they don't have a tool to show me proof of usage. | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by perki:Ive always wondered how much bandwidth i use. My guess is 200 gigs a month. Between the Zune Pass, Xbox Live, Netflix, Hulu, and Direct 2 Drive. The direcTV thing is the one that will be an issue. And really I don't blame and cable operator for not wanting you to download 500 GB or more a month using a service designed to be used by a competing service.
Zune Pass; Unless you're downloading 8000-10,000 songs month I'm not sure this is an issue.
Xbox Live; Even playing 24/7 wouldn't use 15 GB a month
Netflix; could be an issue. If you're not downloading HD movies most movies are between 1.5 - 2 GB. 1 non-HD movie a day isn't going to hurt your cap.
Hulu; 4 hours a day would equal 65 GB a month max. | |
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 | | haha I am going to have so much fun with this monitor. If I know I have a day or two left before my next billing cycle for sure I will be downloading like crazy on that day. lol | |
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meter Schmeter.  -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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 |  FBGuyPremium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL | Re: Meh! what model # is that linksys? i've been wanting to replace my dlink. | |
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| Re: Meh! said by FBGuy:what model # is that linksys? i've been wanting to replace my dlink. I use a WRT54GL and flashed it with Tomato, and I have another as a bridge using WRT. -- "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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 |  |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA kudos:18 | said by FBGuy:what model # is that linksys? i've been wanting to replace my dlink. Linksys WRT54G V8. You have to use DD-WRT v24 micro If you get the WRT54GL it can use the full version of DD-WRT.
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 scjr join:2003-08-27 Dallas, GA | It's 250 GB Now... When will it become 200 GB or 150 GB and so on? That's the real issue with the cap. There will come a time when Comcast will say 250 GB a month is too much.
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 |  FBGuyPremium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL | Re: It's 250 GB Now... excellent point | |
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 |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | You can just as easily ask when will the caps increase to 300 GB, 350 GB, and so on? Comcast will be in a much better position to increase caps over time as their infrastructure is upgraded and applications/content becomes more available that their average costumers desire to use. | |
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 |  joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday join:2001-09-07 Sudbury, MA Reviews:
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| said by scjr:When will it become 200 GB or 150 GB and so on? That's the real issue with the cap. There will come a time when Comcast will say 250 GB a month is too much. scjr I doubt that. Although - I suspect someone is carefully looking at the graphs of customer usage, and so long as there's an average, those who are 5X over that average are disproportionately putting some burden on the system. I got a meter, and for 3 months have been at 40-45GB. That includes the few GB of network within the house. I guess that 95% or customers are still between 5-75GB/mo. | |
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| Xbox LIVE For everyone that plays on the xbox (or PC for that matter) I will give you some interesting stats. Last month, between Dec 2nd and Jan 2nd, I equipped my router with tomato, and monitored the wireless usage only (i have two other computers hooked up, the xbox is the only device in the house that is wireless).
I totaled about 50 hours this month on Xbox live, for Gears of War 2 (die you locust scum!!). All in all? 940Mb.
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Why?
Because on cable networks, ARP broadcasting is absolutely insane. I sincerely believe there's 50-60kbit/sec worth of traffic that's just ARP.
Thus, I'd like to know if the source Comcast will be using will be from the network switch port (which would include such), or if it will be IP datagrams only. -- Making life hard for others since 1977. I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer. | |
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 | | funny at 150 dollars a month i assumed i would get a freaking email or letter saying " HEY WE CAPPED YOUR ASS " -- »www.thereligionofpeace.com/ | |
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 | | Tough to crack 250 Just for giggles I installed a bandwidth monitor on my IPCop firewall to monitor my bandwidth usage in my home. And while I am not on a metered connection, I had to WORK to get up to 250GB on a 10/1 megabit line. My wife plays online games a lot, I download a lot of HD video content and podcasts, I backup a LOT of stuff remotely, I have a VOIP phone system in my house, and I am constantly beaming out weather data to a remote server, and the best I have done is 189GB in the month of December. And that includes upload AND download. As of right now, the consensus is right that the average user should have no worries. Now I doubt it will be adequate as little as 2 years down the road as more rich content comes to internet, cable TV goes away, blah blah blah, you know the usual spiel. | |
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With the holidays, the wife and I averaged ~5 hours of 25 Mbps Blu-ray content via disk. Had I done that via Hulu I would easily has been policed into dial-up.
But the caps are for the 1% of their subscriber base currently consuming 90% of the bandwidth on the oversubscribed core and edge Comcast networks. Video streaming is taking off and that 1% will start to grow aggressively. | |
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 DesdinovaPremium join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Hmmm... What I don't quite get from Comcast's perspective is their claim that using more than 250 gigs a month will create issues for all the users in my node/cluster. BUT if I upgrade to a business tier, my account will have no bandwidth caps and higher connection speeds even though I'm STILL running everything across the same node. If it's not an inconvenience THEN, why is it an inconvenience now? | |
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 |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | Re: Hmmm... said by Desdinova:What I don't quite get from Comcast's perspective is their claim that using more than 250 gigs a month will create issues for all the users in my node/cluster. BUT if I upgrade to a business tier, my account will have no bandwidth caps and higher connection speeds even though I'm STILL running everything across the same node. If it's not an inconvenience THEN, why is it an inconvenience now? Exactly. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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| said by Desdinova:What I don't quite get from Comcast's perspective is their claim that using more than 250 gigs a month will create issues for all the users in my node/cluster. BUT if I upgrade to a business tier, my account will have no bandwidth caps and higher connection speeds even though I'm STILL running everything across the same node. If it's not an inconvenience THEN, why is it an inconvenience now? It is obviously an excuse the lawyers and techs came up with. | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Say NO to CAPS said by Mannus:Netmeter is free. what could you have been LEGALLY be doing to use 650 GB in one month?
maybe it was all legal maybe not, but for people that do a lot of illegal downloading I do not feel sorry if a cap prevents them from doing that. | |
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1 edit | Re: Say NO to CAPS said by BF69:said by Mannus:Netmeter is free. what could you have been LEGALLY be doing to use 650 GB in one month? maybe it was all legal maybe not, but for people that do a lot of illegal downloading I do not feel sorry if a cap prevents them from doing that. 98% of my traffic is P2P stuff. And all of it anime(fansubs). YES!, I am an anime addict and I am proud of it. My collection is over 2TB and ranges from hard to find early 80's anime to current releases, of all genres. And thats 650GB both ways. I also seed animes that I d/l at a 1.5:1 ratio to spread the wealth.
I have Netflix for movies so I don't need to d/l bootleg copies of movies and I watch most of my favorite shows online now . I also play BF2 online about 10-12 hours a week. | |
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 | | Signup for Clearwire If you live in an area that is serviced by Clearwire then by all mean get rid of Comcast and sign up for Clearwire at once. Clearwire has no monthly bandwidth cap at all. | |
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 TCubPremium join:2008-09-03 Olmsted Falls, OH kudos:4 | Caps are ridiculous! Less then 1% my ass! Download or rent movies from iTunes or any other online movie service? Use a legal music service? Multiple computers? Purchasing and downloading games via Steam or any other online distributer? Cell phones connected to wifi? Hulu? Windows and/or Mac OS X and/or Linux updates? It all adds up and I can see it adding up quick. Quick enough that there has to be more then 1% that brushes or may even surpass that 250GBs.... -- And if you go, furious angels will bring you back to me. | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Caps are ridiculous! said by TCub:Less then 1% my ass! Download or rent movies from iTunes or any other online movie service? Use a legal music service? Multiple computers? Purchasing and downloading games via Steam or any other online distributer? Cell phones connected to wifi? Hulu? Windows and/or Mac OS X and/or Linux updates? It all adds up and I can see it adding up quick. Quick enough that there has to be more then 1% that brushes or may even surpass that 250GBs.... Ok less than half of those with broadband in the US have a connection faster than 3 Mbps. 3 Mbps isn't very good for Hulu even though they say you don't need a connection that fast. face it even if your ISP has you on a 3 Mbps plan if you get 90% of that you'll be lucky.
Steam? please most people have never heard of it. I have. I wouldn't use it. As far as itunes/amazon/psn/xbl goes. Most movies are non HD and are between 1.5-2 GB in size. No way one rents 150-200 movies a month. Not at $3-$4 a pop.
So right now I would be shocked if that number was 1%. As people get access to faster speeds and as more people take advantage of these service and if sites like Hulu increase their streaming bitrate then sure more people will hit 250 GB. Maybe in about 3 years this is an issue. Hopefully by them Comcast and others will have either gotten rid of these caps, increase them or like hughesnet have cap free hours. | |
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 | | not completely, though Well, I'll tell ya -- I'm happy they're doing this.
However -- there's still the issue that they don't REALLY provide 24/7/365 like DSL can/does.
It goes out Saturdays and Sundays in the morning. Would your electricity do that? C'mon. Verizon rocks.
Fiber - and dumb. And available to everyone.
UPS and Fedex drive down the same road, right?
Welcome to the future, you morons. (I mean ISPs). | |
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 2 edits | meter Netmeter is great, but what if you have more then one pc?
I use bandwidthD and darkstat, on my pfsense firewall
My best month was 488GB of downloads, and a phone call from comcast. | |
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