chsteiger Premium Member join:2003-10-03 Pasadena, TX |
Makes Me SickI am so disapointed with goverment to let this go thru with such little controls in place. They would not Dish and Direct TV merge, but they will let something like this happen.. its a very sad day | |
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| FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
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2011-Jan-17 4:52 pm
Re: Makes Me Sicksaid by chsteiger: They would not Dish and Direct TV merge, but they will let something like this happen.. its a very sad day Comcast & NBC would not be the same as DirecTV & Dish merging. Comcast is primarily a cable comany and NBC is primarily a content company, whereas both Dish & DirecTV are sat providers. Comcast & NBC are not direct competitors like DirecTV & Dish are. | |
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Re: Makes Me SickBut comcast will have ahold of nbc, which nbc is televised almost everywhere. | |
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2011-Jan-18 3:34 am
Re: Makes Me Sicksaid by Duramax08:But comcast will have ahold of nbc, which nbc is televised almost everywhere. And yet, that's still not the same thing as DirecTV and Dish not being allowed to merge. It would only apply if ABC and NBC were going to merge, or Comcast and DirecTV were going to merge. | |
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said by FFH5:Comcast & NBC would not be the same as DirecTV & Dish merging. Comcast is primarily a cable comany and NBC is primarily a content company, whereas both Dish & DirecTV are sat providers. Comcast & NBC are not direct competitors like DirecTV & Dish are. Well, Sirius and XM were direct competitors, and that merger was allowed. One of the conditions of that merger was that the new combined company wouldn't raise subscription fees. What did they do? Exactly that, weeks after the merger was complete! They raised the additional receiver fee, took away the free internet streaming, AND added a bogus 'royalty fee'. It essentially raised our cost by $6 a month. Tell me Comcast will comply with all the conditions of the merger, and I won't believe you. What's the government going to do if they violate the terms? Nothing, or at worst, a slap on the wrist. In any case, the profit they make would far outweigh any fines imposed by the government. These companies are not to be trusted, but Congress is influenced by money, not logic or past behavior. | |
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Correct, it is much much worse.
Two satellite companies merging does nothing to prevent competition.
A content company merging with a distribution companies fucks over every other distribution company. And fucks over any competing content company that needed that distribution company.
Two satellite companies is nothing. The merger of comcast and NBC is exactly what our laws are supposed to prevent. | |
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2011-Jan-19 1:12 pm
Re: Makes Me Sicksaid by insomniac84:Two satellite companies merging does nothing to prevent competition.
Two satellite companies is nothing. When there are only 2 sat TV providers and a merger results in only 1, how do you figure that that doesn't affect competition? | |
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Re: Makes Me Sicksaid by FFH5:When their are only 2 sat TV providers and a merger results in only 1, how do you figure that that doesn't affect competition? Because anyone else can enter the market at any time. Just like both of those companies entered the market on their own. Otherwise you are essentially saying any market with only one business in it is illegal. Which would prevent any new markets from being started because in the beginning there will always be one single company in the new market. | |
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to chsteiger
Our government . . . bought and sold by mega-corporations on a regular basis now. This deal just highlights it in neon red. | |
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Re: Makes Me SickConsidering the millions that the entertainment industry and others give to Congressmen, it's only a surprise it has taken this long to get approved. The "conditions" will be quietly ignored and not enforced. There is not an honest politician left in Washington anyway. | |
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Re: Makes Me SickI guess we'll never see the Comcast owned networks in HD on DirecTV. E! HD, Style HD, G4 HD, TV One HD, etc... and watch the other NBC Universal channels start to be pulled or have some tough negotiations. | |
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Well, I take solace in at least knowing this dog and pony show will be over soon. What a joke of proceedings this has been. Seriously, I'm more impressed by the "regulation" applied during most local-franchise agreements between municipalities and Cable/TelCo's. | |
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| SterlingIP Support Tier III Premium Member join:2003-05-30 Pittsburgh, PA |
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For the 1000th time, we get it, every one hates come comcast, waah, get over it and move on to the next thing on your hate list. and if i recall, it was charlie who pulled out the directtv deal, it never got to the alter. | |
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For the 1000th time, we get it, every one hates come comcast, waah, get over it and move on to the next thing on your hate list. and if i recall, it was charlie who pulled out the directtv deal, it never got to the alter. | |
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Re: Makes Me SickComcast is the cable provider in my area, and I work for NBC. Work for my FiOS internet and I use DirecT for cable services. Comes SUCKS. | |
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PricingI'm scared of more rate hikes. | |
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| MSaukMSauk Premium Member join:2002-01-17 Sandy, UT |
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2011-Jan-17 4:49 pm
Re: PricingCable internet alone here in Utah is 57 dollars base. | |
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Re: PricingYou poor thing. I pay $120/month for infinitely slower and capped satellite. | |
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2011-Jan-18 3:03 pm
Re: Pricingyeah that price sucks! I was just stating that price was high and 2 years ago it was closer to 35. It has jumped 20 dollars in 2 years. | |
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Have you wondered why Comcast hasn't announced their January 2011 rate hike yet? They're holding off so as to not draw any more negative attention to this merger before the fact, and waiting for this to be rubber-stamped, then they'll announce it, probably around the 1st of February. | |
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Re: PricingThey did announce some but there rates differ in each area. | |
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That has little to do with it as there were already adjustment changes announced that are to be changed in march if i recall. and there was adjustments made last year as well. | |
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We just got a letter in the mail announcing one 3rd one in less then 1 year | |
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AVonGauss Premium Member join:2007-11-01 Boynton Beach, FL |
VoteVote? Its been a done deal for quite a while now... | |
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Who would want NBC?NBC as a stand-alone company is practically worthless. GE is lucky to be rid of it. | |
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2011-Jan-17 6:01 pm
Re: Who would want NBC?Yeah really. Who cares if Comcast buys NBC? It's not like when Comcast bought TechTV and ruined it by turning it into G4.
NBC is already ruined. NBC has sucked for many years now. Comcast can only kill what is left of NBC or make it better. | |
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Re: Who would want NBC?It's not necessarily NBC but it's network sister stations. SyFy might not be the greatest (And the rename didn't help it's case 1 bit) but USA Network constantly and consistently does quite well for itself. | |
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2011-Jan-17 5:49 pm
Conflicted.....I honestly haven't made up my mind about this yet. It's pretty clear why Comcast is doing this and I can easily see the downsides. But I wonder, just wonder, if this will allow Comcast to accept letting their HSI (internet) business become the 'dumb-pipe' without limits, while their newly acquired content business sops up revenue. Revenue that is dependent upon bandwidth usage and will be coming from a multitude of sources- Hulu, Netflix, Apple, Microsoft, and somewhat ironically, other ISP's that want to play with the content (FIOS TV & AT&T's U-Verse). | |
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2011-Jan-17 6:06 pm
Re: Conflicted.....I have no doubt in my mind that Comcast will leverage this content ownership to increase costs to their competition and thereby force them to increase prices to their customers, all the while advertising their own "artificially" lower prices.
I also foresee that as people drop services to reduce their monthly costs, and begin depending more on "free" internet content, Comcast will raise prices for their HSI, and possibly reduce their 250gb cap to force consumers to spend more for the same services they currently enjoy. Comcast has done this for decades.
It's a lose/lose situation for consumers with this merger. No amount of concessions, stipulations or provisions will change this.
Comcast will do what they damn well please . . . FCC be damned. | |
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2011-Jan-18 11:45 am
Re: Conflicted.....I seriously doubt you'll see Comcast decreasing its caps. You won't see Comcast significantly increasing the cost for content for a few years to avoid unwanted attention, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. Then again, what content owner decreases the cost of its content? said by newview:Comcast will do what they damn well please . . . FCC be damned. Considering the FCC has little control over Comcast (or any company) in this regard, you can't fault the FCC. | |
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Honestly there is nothing much to watch on nbcMost of their TV shows feel cheesy. Office or Saturday Night Life are fun but really really cheezy. You get notion that you have singing clowns instead of actors with great lines.
Even Fox sucks. I like Family Guy but hate when they start singing and they turn a political/social cartoon for adults into kids show. South Park on CC used to great but now it seems they are running out of ideas and its becoming the same. | |
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Re: Honestly there is nothing much to watch on nbcThe only good thing on NBC is sports and I hope the NHL and NFL gives comcast a hard time if they try to pull any crap.
FOX and OR ESPN needs to get the next NHL deal as well as the Olympics.
and for the NFL by NFL rules the NBC games must be OTA. | |
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2011-Jan-18 3:38 am
Re: Honestly there is nothing much to watch on nbcsaid by Joe12345678:The only good thing on NBC is sports and I hope the NHL and NFL gives comcast a hard time if they try to pull any crap.
FOX and OR ESPN needs to get the next NHL deal as well as the Olympics.
and for the NFL by NFL rules the NBC games must be OTA. Yeah, that's why the NFL and NHL have contracts with NBC. So that NBC can't do whatever they want with the broadcasts. Why are you even questioning what Comcast would do in this situation just because they're taking over NBC? They have to abide by the contracts. And if they want to keep getting the money from advertising during these sports events, they'll keep to the contract instead of losing the broadcast rights. Seriously, what do you think they would do to break their contracts? | |
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Can't wait for the strong language included withthe merger where Comcast & NBC go over-board making sure that every Pro-Consumer is protected
All the while ignoring the fact that none of it is actually protected in the rules
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2011-Jan-18 3:40 am
Re: Can't wait for the strong language included withsaid by Bill Neilson:the merger where Comcast & NBC go over-board making sure that every Pro-Consumer is protected
All the while ignoring the fact that none of it is actually protected in the rules
Every rule will have a loophole Rules don't have to have loopholes. Rules are not laws. Breaking a rule does nothing. It's morally wrong, and the FCC, FTC, and SEC might not look favorably in the future if Comcast wants to do something else, but since it's not a law, no one is going to go to jail or be fined if they don't follow the rules. However, because they probably want to do mergers in the future, they will abide by the rules for the time limits imposed. It would be stupid not to. | |
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Re: Can't wait for the strong language included withsaid by skuv :Rules don't have to have loopholes. Rules are not laws. rule - a principle or condition that customarily governs behavior Comes off to me that rules can in fact be laws | |
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YuckI would hate to be caught downloading NBC stuff on Torrents with Comcast. | |
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