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| Re: No Likey? said by dadkins  :If the TOS is not to your liking, don't get the service! Don't give me this "Only Provider" BS. Yeah, but it's really the only viable provider for many people. | |
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Hercules, CA | Re: No Likey? *Viable* is subjective...
Ever hear of Sat?
Got Dialup?
Sprint/Verizon data plans?
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| Re: No Likey? said by nathill :"Viable" in my case is satellite or 25K dialup. Exactly!
*IF* Comcast and their TOS was SO bad, I would get myself a wireless card for VZ or Sprint.
If there was no coberage for VZ or Sprint, I would likely opt for dialup.
Bitching about the TOS doesn't affect anything... it's just bitching! 
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| Re: No Likey? Actually, you're wrong. Bitching causes BAD PRESS, which is exactly what a monopoly cannot afford. Bitching alerts the public to how the megacorps are ripping people off. Bitching is what finally gets the politicians to pass laws to reign in their monopolistic ways.
Bitching is always the best solution.
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| Re: No Likey? said by karlmarx :Actually, you're wrong. Bitching causes BAD PRESS, which is exactly what a monopoly cannot afford. Bitching alerts the public to how the megacorps are ripping people off. Bitching is what finally gets the politicians to pass laws to reign in their monopolistic ways. Bitching is always the best solution. No, Lobbying(payola) gets Politicians to change laws.
Bitching is just that - bitching.
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join:2007-05-16
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| Re: No Likey? said by dadkins :said by karlmarx :Actually, you're wrong. Bitching causes BAD PRESS, which is exactly what a monopoly cannot afford. Bitching alerts the public to how the megacorps are ripping people off. Bitching is what finally gets the politicians to pass laws to reign in their monopolistic ways. Bitching is always the best solution. No, Lobbying(payola) gets Politicians to change laws. Bitching is just that - bitching. But lobbying dosent keep politicians elected. Sooner or later, pols have to listen to their constituancy...especially if theres enough people bitching about it! | |
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join:2006-08-26
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| doesnt sound like you ever had to use/depend on sat or dialup
sat is more frustrating than dial-up = higher latency's about 7x more, 1500ms round trip to 200ms dial up
then there's dial-ups horrible ungodly slow speed ( todays web pages are huge for dialup ) and necessity for a phone line.
as for the data plans that is a viable service option but dont know much about it | |
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| Re: No Likey? said by Grafton :doesnt sound like you ever had to use/depend on sat or dialup sat is more frustrating than dial-up = higher latency's about 7x more, 1500ms round trip to 200ms dial up then there's dial-ups horrible ungodly slow speed ( todays web pages are huge for dialup ) and necessity for a phone line. as for the data plans that is a viable service option but dont know much about it Yes I have! I had dialup via Bay Area Internet Solutions.
I wanted faster.
I looked at Comcast and READ the TOS/AUP - acceptable!
I agreed!
Here we are today 4 years later and I have even opted to pay the $10.00 Extra for more speed!
Like I posted in the original post: "... don't get it then bitch!"
"Only Option" is bullshit!
If y'all really want connectivity... you can get connected!
Dialup is $9.99
Want faster?
Might cost a bit more than $9.99, but Sat will work!
Latency or FAP on Sat? Sure!
What do you expect? The damn thing is 20,000 miles away!
That's a hell of a first hop! 
*BUT* it is faster than dialup!
If Comcast is the only service that has low latency, and fast speed, then YOU must decide if the TOS is acceptable or not.
If not, don't get it! DUH!
If yes, Cool! 
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Drive it like you stole it
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Huntsville, AL
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| Re: No Likey? While you do have a valid point, you are overexagerating the availability and feasability of the otehr options.
Sat is only an option if thats the only thing you can get.
While dial-up is available everywhere, even when it was in its heyday, some locations still had to dial long distance to the nearest ISP. Now that most of the smaller dial up firms have gone away, there arent as many local numbers as there used to be. I used to be able to find 20 numbers local, last time I looked a few years ago, there were only 3.
So, even if it was free, some people would still get long distance charges. So not really a feasable option.
Just in case you are wondering, I have Comcast, the highest tier available in my area (6/768) and I am very pleased with it. Over the last 2 years, I've had less that 30 min of downtime. I have had some problems, but it was back when CC was upgrading so I kind of expected odd speeds and such. (My upload was 1.2m while my download was 800k). And everytime I go to the CC office or have to call them, I always get the friendliest people, so theres no customer service problems in this area.
Oh and I have a choice of 2 other providers as well. Att/Bellsouth DSL and Knology cable. | |
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join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA | Twightlight-zone bandwidth limitations, and lying to the public of their hidden traffic-shaping policies....sure dadkins, you're getting a great deal.
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join:2006-04-24
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| said by dadkins :*Viable* is subjective... Ever hear of Sat? Got Dialup? Sprint/Verizon data plans? >Sat
Overpriced
>Dial-up
Ancient
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| Re: No Likey? said by ShadezeRO :>Sat Overpriced >Dial-up Ancient >Sprint/Verizon Not available in all area's. At least not "3g" type speeds. >TOS unacceptable but you still get it
Piss, snivel, and whine? 
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Los Angeles (CA) - The first quarter of 2008 was a huge success for Blu-ray, as sales grew by 351 percent over the same period last year, reports trade publication Home Media Magazine.
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| You also have to remember that DVD had been around for ~7 years before it became the dominant format. I was the first in my family to get a DVD player, and it was 12/00 and a PS2.
And BD will probably have a slower uptake because you need an HD set or a BD is pointless. With DVD you didnt have to buy a $600-$1000 tv AND a $400 player, you just needed the $400 player. | |
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Denver, CO
| Re: No Likey? Damn dadkins, u have a Comcast Fanboy Tatt or something on yer forehead? Come on, people ARE going to bitch, and they have every right to. And sorry, but Sat is HARDLY a viable option. Give it a rest and stop trolling, if people want a REAL alternative, tell them the truth and that they should order Comcast Workplace which has NO Sandvine. | |
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| Re: No Likey? Oh gosh -- cry me a river. People have a right to decide whether they want to purchase something or not. THAT is what people have a right to. I think we can see clear evidence here of how we've failed to raise our children right: That sickly sense of entitlement oozing from some messages here is something that in our generation would never have exhibited. Despicable. | |
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join:2004-09-05
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| said by dadkins :*Viable* is subjective... Ever hear of Sat? Got Dialup? Sprint/Verizon data plans? Latency. Can't play games on SAT.
Dialup is not fast enough, plus VoIP wont work on Dialup, or SAT.
Sprint/Verizon? No...
Viable seems less and less subjective.
Well I can't say that Comcast is my only viable alternative anymore. As of last year, Verizon Fios became available.
Until then it was a Comcast monopoly. | |
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join:2007-05-10
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| Re: No Likey? No, you don't. Comcast is too polite to give you the truth, a baldly with a little pretense as I will.
And another thing... it is incredibly CRAVEN to assume that anyone who disagrees with your puerile antipathy towards Comcast is a Comcast person. Should I assume that you MUST work for DirecTV since you're saying bad things about Comcast?
Grow up. | |
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| said by dadkins :If the TOS is not to your liking, don't get the service! Typical corporate defense. How about working to improve the product instead of defending sleazy service terms? You are evidently one of the lucky ones who (1) get decent service and (2) aren't being affected by their lackluster network performance in some much bigger markets.
The "if you don't like it, leave" parroting is very tired.
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| Re: No Likey? said by RadioDoc :You continue to indirectly defend this, which I guess is expected. You added nothing but more of the same. Still... not defending anything except common sense.
You no likely, no getey. Simple enough?
I accepted their TOS & AUP.
I'm not complaining.
Service is fine.
I live in The S.F. Bay Area(not rinkydink area).
One last time:
If for any reason *ANY* service has something in the Terms Of Service that you don't like or disagree with, you shouldn't get the service, right?
Geez! 
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| Re: No Likey?You have made the assumption that I am defending Comcast and/or their TOS.
You are quite wrong.
Don't like the price of gas at the corner gas station, go down the street a ways and get some other gas from a different station.
Don't like the TOS of Comcast, go get connectivity from another provider.
What's so hard to understand?
Guess common sense doesn't apply to internet connectivity.
Ok, cool!
Guess I should cancel Comcast, get dialup and then come here and bitch that it is too slow.
Would that be better?
I don't get something then bitch about it.
DUH!
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join:2007-06-24
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| Re: No Likey? True, if you have the option and you don't like to TOS then don't go for the service.
However, nowadays, many of the TOS agreements from the providers allow the provider to modify and update the TOS at anytime and for any reason. And, in many cases, the provider doesn't even have to notify you of the changes.
Add to that, the providers try to lock you into long-term agreements.
So, unless you're willing to "check-in" on the TOS on a regular basis, how do you really know if sometime down the road your "contract" doesn't materially affect you.
TOS used to be utilized simply to protect the provider from frivolous lawsuits based on normal operating issues. Now it seems the TOS a written in such a way to allow the provider to generate additional revenue streams while at the same time failing to provide the advertised service. One, being the ability for the provider to intercept your data for use in targeted marketing. Or, possibly, allowing the provider to throttle your connection under the guise of network management (while at the same time advertising "unlimited" use).
The other issue with the TOS from some/many of these providers is that the legalize is written in a way that the common consumer cannot actually understand they may be giving up some their rights. Should they hire a lawyer to interpret the TOS? Or, possibly the provider is hiding behind legal mumbo jumbo while promising the sun.
If you need internet connectivity for work, where do you go to avoid restrictive TOS? Buy a T1?
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| Re: No Likey? said by vicorjh :If you need internet connectivity for work, where do you go to avoid restrictive TOS? Buy a T1? It's easy to say don't get the service. Though that is an overly simplified solution. Yes! If you are going to use your connection for WORK, you should get some sort of business service.
Residential Services are not intended for buisness use(hence the Business class of services).
Look, to everyone:
If for any reason the ISDP you use(whichever one you use) has anything now, or changes it in the future to some unacceptable level, drop them!
PLEASE stop paying for a service with a TOS that is crap and bitching about it.
If it is so damn bad... why in God's name are you still paying for it? Geez Louise!
WTF people?
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Robb
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| You and I both have Comcast, so we know what the service is really like. But you and I have had Comcast for years. If someone was signing up for their first broadband service, wouldn't the Subscriber Agreement and AUP give them pause?
Fortunately, for Comcast and most of their CableCo and TelCo cousins, people get the service before reading them.
In fact, I just moved to an apartment a few months ago and signed up with Comcast. So, as "Mr. New Customer," my service was already activated several days before I was presented with my first screen showing the Subscriber Agreement (which only referred to the AUP by name).
(Yes, I admit it, I was installing the software. I was using the automation to provision the modem.)
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| Re: No Likey? said by Favre04 :said by RadioDoc :You continue to indirectly defend this, which I guess is expected. You added nothing but more of the same. It's easy to see why your an EX mod. Could say it is easy to see you are a moron. But that would be wrong.
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join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC
| Hmm.. Ok, I guess what you are saying is that people just need to suck it and take the slow speed if they hate Comcast's ToS. Sounds like you NEVER had to deal with satellite or dialup. If you had bad service with Comcast and could never get it resolved, then I don't think you would be singing about Comcast's service as much as you are now. | |
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| Re: Hmm.. said by JoshC1 :Ok, I guess what you are saying is that people just need to suck it and take the slow speed if they hate Comcast's ToS. Sounds like you NEVER had to deal with satellite or dialup. If you had bad service with Comcast and could never get it resolved, then I don't think you would be singing about Comcast's service as much as you are now. Try reading the whole thread:
»Re: No Likey?
I have had dialup.
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I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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| Re: No Likey? said by dadkins :I'm not defending it! I'm trying to get people to use a little common sense. Good luck with that!"if you don't like it, leave" Same thing has been said about The United States of America for years... and? Not a very good analogy, is it? Leaving a country vs a corporate TOS that snorts horseshyte with a Hoover.The thing is, don't even get it to start with then you won't have to leave! If you get it even though the TOS says something that you don't like and you start whining about it - well, that's not too bright! One problem with a TOS agreement is that it's like shifting sands; they tell you the TOS can change at any time. So you may agree with it at the outset but years later realize you're living under a Nazi regime with lousy -- or no -- alternatives. I don't bother bashing Comcast because I dropped them some time ago rather than bitch. I'm still hanging onto their TV service, and would go Dish but they're just as bad with the sign up offers that vanish in the wind a year or less down the road. That's me in bold, BTW. I'm feeling real lazy today ...
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Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| Re: No Likey? said by dadkins :Thank you! Yeah. Common Sense seems to be at a premium... Thats cause people with the "common sense" either took your advice and 'moved to another country', or are so busy trying to turn down Comcast retention offers so they can sign up for their more beloved NEW ISP's service or we are just using that "common sense" for once to just shake our heads, laugh a bit at the whining about whining rants and moved on. | |
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| Re: No Likey? said by BabyBear :just using that "common sense" for once to just shake our heads, laugh a bit at the whining about whining rants and moved on. LOL!
Great example! Thanks!
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i5050MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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| said by RadioDoc :The "if you don't like it, leave" parroting is very tired. I believe some telco shill coined that phrase was years ago when Ameritech started redlining DSL deployment and AT&T failed miserably at upgrading their cable systems. As far as I know, DSL is still not available at my address. I haven't seen any Pew-Verse lawn fridges sprouting up so apparently it won't be any time soon either.
But thankfully, Comcast bought out AT&T Cable and fixed T's phucking train wreck of a cable system or I'd still be on T's 2k dialup.
However, the bottom line is that I subscribe to all of Comcast's services and they all perform flawlessly. I couldn't care less about the TOS since it doesn't effect me.
Have a nice day, you silly rabbit! 
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| Re: No Likey? said by i5050MbSoon :But thankfully, Comcast bought out AT&T Cable and fixed T's phucking train wreck of a cable system or I'd still be on T's 2k dialup. If you were covered by Ameritech as your ILEC, then the "T" dial-up would have been with AT&T Worldnet Services; at that time a different company than either Ameritech, or SBC, which subsequently bought Ameritech.
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| Re: No Likey? said by NormanS :said by i5050MbSoon :But thankfully, Comcast bought out AT&T Cable and fixed T's phucking train wreck of a cable system or I'd still be on T's 2k dialup. If you were covered by Ameritech as your ILEC, then the "T" dial-up would have been with AT&T Worldnet Services; at that time a different company than either Ameritech, or SBC, which subsequently bought Ameritech. He's so stoned he doesn't even remember who the cable company was back then. Don't bother.
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join:2007-03-03
1001EB | Re: No Likey? He will be the next one we are reading about that kills a
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I like to call it "The Comcastic Fast Death"
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join:2007-03-03
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| I could be way off but I think the rabbit is more harmless than what Janice Ordidge got. I am sure she would have been happier with a vrad box instead of one of these. I am sure she probably would have chose "slow DSL" as opposed to "fast death". Maybe if Janice had AT&T she could have lived longer!
comcastic box
I am guessing poor Janice got an upgrade right? or would this be considered a downgrade? Doesn't he just seem so comcastic to you?
Comcast subcontractor that delivered the service Janice got!
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