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Until you use 250 gigs and they slow you down. | |
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Re: wowNo caps on biz tiers. I'm pretty sure Comcast has five channels available for HSI here on the download side, so they'd have no problem providing 100/15 service if they wanted.
Personaly, I'd rather pay $100 for 101/15 with the activation fee, vs. $370/month without one. | |
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Re: wowsaid by iansltx:No caps on biz tiers. What about shaping? | |
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Re: wowProtocol agnostic still applies, but I haven't even run into that to my knowledge on a resi connection. One thing's for sure: business isn't going to get throttled below 3 Mbps on the upload side. | |
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Re: wowServer ports are still blocked. Pass. | |
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Re: wowLook at your name and then get one  While definitely not a comcrap fanboy... actually the opposite, there are no server ports blocked. I run a full web, VPN, Exchange, remote workplace etc. server and they encourage it. There is no doubt that Comcast sux... none. BUT in their defense (more in the interest of truth) their business product is COMPLETELY different and better than the residential product... quite plainly, totally a different company/product. A separate service department with a level one support that actually knows what they are doing (gasp) compared to the tragedy of calling residential support and then letting the first person you talked with to try and solve your issue??? That would be your own fault for not asking for a supervisor right from the get-go. No... while on the over-all report card, comcrap is just that... you cannot compare the business side with residential as they are two different companies after a REALITY CHECK Oh btw... I get this connection below with 5 static for $100  | |
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Not overly expensive IMHO. I pay $99.00 a month for 2mbit by 15mbit on Time Warner DOCSIS 1.1.
My 5/5 fiber line with 4 statics is 1100 a month. Its never gone down in 3 years and my cable has total 50 hours downtime a year but for the price its nice to push HTTP traffic over. | |
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Who needs this?Anyone?
I'm barely using 30 meg. I may drop back to 10 because it's a waste of money. | |
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Re: Who needs this?It's not for you. It's for, as said above, businesses who would normally be getting a carrier-grade circuit from a telco. If the business is in a Cogent-lit building they could get 100 Mbps symmetric for $600-$900, Comcast beats that, though the upload suffers.
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said by fifty nine:Anyone? I'm barely using 30 meg. I may drop back to 10 because it's a waste of money. If you don't need it then you don't need it. I for one would enjoy 100 down. I would appreciate a higher uplink than 15 mbps though... | |
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how much for similar fios?369????????????? WTF. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by fifty nine:FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to. And have no real need as with their 50/20 plan you can probably get just as good a connection if not better and 100% more upstream traffic to help better service your clients....or yourself since its available to businesses and consumers alike for under 150 a month. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by danclan:said by fifty nine:FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to. And have no real need as with their 50/20 plan you can probably get just as good a connection if not better and 100% more upstream traffic to help better service your clients....or yourself since its available to businesses and consumers alike for under 150 a month. My day-job connection is multiple Gig-E to 4 carriers, and my management workstation plugs directly into that core. Believe me when I say there really isn't much practical use for anything faster than 10-20 mbps unless you're a serious downloader and have multiple download threads running simultaneously where you can actually max out a 50+ mbps connection. My downloads from Microsoft, HP, Sun, etc., don't run much faster than ~25 mbps. Browsing websites does not feel any faster on a 100 mbps pipe than it does at home on FIOS at 25 mbps. (although there IS a noticeable difference between my FIOS and 7 mbps Road Runner). And watching YouTube doesn't require more than 3-5 mbps, or a tad faster if you don't want the occasional buffering pauses. 100 mbps to the home would be great bragging rights, but a total waste of money unless you have an insatiable download appetite. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?With a small enough cap, the speed doesn't matter anyway. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by IPPlanMan:With a small enough cap, the speed doesn't matter anyway. Truth ! | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by iansltx:No 250GB cap on business. And why do you suppose that is? Maybe because businesses aren't downloading movies off of iTunes/vudu/Netflix. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?No. It's because businesses are paying more for the service. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by iansltx:No. It's because businesses are paying more for the service. 20-30 dollars more a month for the Business Tier over the residential tier gets you a whole bunch of other goodies besides the higher cap. (Microsoft Mail, Business Level Support, etc.) Internet Starter Plan $59.95 per month * 6 Mbps broadband downloads/1Mbps broadband Uploads + PowerBoost * McAfee® Virus Scan * Microsoft Communication Tools, including 2 Outlook mailboxes * Domain name and three-page Web site * 24/7 Business Class support * Additional details Recommended for: * Businesses with lighter download needs * Businesses looking for a more economical service that doesn’t skimp on speed or features Internet Preferred Plan $89.95 per month * 16 Mbps broadband downloads/2Mbps broadband Uploads + PowerBoost * McAfee® Virus Scan * Microsoft Communication Tools, including 4 Outlook mailboxes * Domain name and starter three-page Web site * 24/7 Business Class support * Fully customizable options * Additional details Recommended for: * Businesses with normal download and upload needs * Businesses looking for increased productivity at a highly competitive rate So the cap isn't higher because businesses are paying more. I think I've debunked that myth.... | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?I'd maintain that the higher cap higher price thing is indeed the case. Residential customers can get business accounts and guess what they do? That's right, download Hulu/Netflix/etc. Businesses who grab a high-bandwidth Comcast connection will probably use it, though they'll more likely be passing large files between point A and point B with a less "messy" protocol than BitTorrent.
That said, I probably use more interwebz than maybe 30% of Comcast Business customers. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?So how much of the 20-30 dollar price difference do you attribute to:
* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 4 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and starter three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Fully customizable options
And the rest is supposed to cover bandwidth? Really? | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?Yes. Really. Would you like to pay more for business service?
Remember that most Comcast business users won't use all of the Exchange mailboxes. They may not use any of them.
The domain and three-page starter website probably costs Comcast $10 per year, if that much.
Business class support doens't cost much more then resi support. Probably less overall because business accounts aren't going to have as many "dumb questions".
Fully customizable options? Don't those cost extra?
Also, bandwidth is cheap. If Comcast has the capacity at the last mile (with DOCSIS 3 they do) 250GB costs Comcast around $3 or so. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?I don't want to pay more for any service if possible. Not sure where you're going with that... Who would?
I'm not sure what usage of the Mailboxes has to do with anything. They are provided and it's included in the cost.
The domain name and website is included in the price. You could go to Godaddy instead and pay the same or more.
Business class support doesn't cost more to handle than Residential Support? Really? I think you're generalizing about "dumb questions" as well.
The options may cost extra, but that's not the point. They aren't even available on the residential tier.
Bandwidth is cheap? I think you've made my point. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?Last I checked you were trying to prove that Comcast, with all those extra features, couldn't possibly be charging more for their business class service based on caps or lack thereof. I on the other hand think it's one of the major differentiating points between residential and business class service. You then changed the argument to something else and won that new argument.
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Re: how much for similar fios?I think I've been very consistent... I don't think I've changed my argument at all.
The added features of the business tier cost whatever they do... and if you say the cost of bandwidth is cheap, then I completely agree.
Why the cap for business is so much higher (10-12 times higher perhaps) for nearly the same price after the cost of these "features" are removed is very clear to me... | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?Because businesses aren't going to buy cable anyway? | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by iansltx:Because businesses aren't going to buy cable anyway? Because Comcast has the most to lose in the residential market.... Comcast doesn't want you using anything else but OnDemand or their premium channel services... for which they have a revenue stream. Again, the cap is not about addressing congestion (to quote JL - an authorized Comcast representative on DSLR) » Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion hereIt's about preserving a market and preventing other viable options from developing. This under the guise of so-called "excessive use". | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?However business users have received "the call" asking them to upgrade to a higher tier proportional to high bandwidth usage. So there is some sort of congestion at play here. | |
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said by iansltx:No 250GB cap on business. There were reports (sporadic, maybe one, do not remember) of business subscribers getting "the call". The TOS talks about a cal, although the amount is not specified. In that, it is similar to the cap on residential that "did not exist" prior to the FL AG episode. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?Won't argue with you on that. However the cap is significantly higher than residential service, and expected considering cable is a shared medium. | |
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Tell that to the Cablevision folks.
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said by rebus9:100 mbps to the home would be great bragging rights, but a total waste of money unless you have an insatiable download appetite. Err... Hi, name's Papa Midnight, and I'm a chronic downloader. | |
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Since when do they do FiOS for business? Everything I call they say they are doing it for home users only. It might be due to them not meeting an SLA but fiber is really, really reliable. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by Eagles1221:Since when do they do FiOS for business? Everything I call they say they are doing it for home users only. It might be due to them not meeting an SLA but fiber is really, really reliable. Mine is a Business FIOS connection at home. It definitely exists, and in fact, it's the only way you can get a static IP. » www22.verizon.com/conten ··· nessfios | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?Yup - your business account at home. Try a business of 1300 people 2 miles from the Verizon CO. They wont run my FiOS but they will sell me crappy 768k/5Mbit DSL for 179.99 a month.
I'd kill for FiOS or even Comcrap. Right now we have 5 mbit TWC fiber (1200)/month) and 2/15 cable for 99.00.
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$5 says Verizon turns on 100 Mbps down FiOS (probably 25-35 Mbps up) by the end of the year to compete with this. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?said by iansltx:$5 says Verizon turns on 100 Mbps down FiOS (probably 25-35 Mbps up) by the end of the year to compete with this. I'll see your $5 and raise you $5 that it's 100/40. | |
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Re: how much for similar fios?I think we're pretty much in agreement. Heck, Verizon could do 50 Mbps up over GPON.
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Why would FIOS offer anything like that? If anything, in FIOS areas, the biz deals would be via VZB (ex-MCI/UUNET) and would revolve around fiber-based T-3 equivalent lines with an SLA (and we would only hear about such a deal *slantways*, as it won't go anywhere near VZC (Verizon Communications, the residential side of VZ)).
On the business side FIOS is actually a major problem for VZ, as they are still a major supplier of copper-based CENTREX (PBX-alternative) services to medium and larger businesses and government agencies. Without copper, how do you avoid wholesale defections among CENTREX-contracted customers? | |
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That's really cheap. We pay ,much more than that at work for only two T1 lines. And a T1 line is only 1.5mbs. Comcast is offering 66X the speed of a T1 for download and 10x the speed of a T1 for upload. $370 a month is a bargain compared to what a couple of T1 lines costs. | |
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About the same price Hughesnet charges for 5 Mbps/300 kbps with a 500 MB daily cap. | |
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Or how about this....
They put you on a really fast roller coaster, but stop the car after the first loop. There is still more track ahead, but they say you have "used enough" of your fun quota and will have to come back next month to go the rest of the way. | |
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pshMetroethernet over fiber... only $700 a month and get up to GigE speeds..... symetric.... You pay more for T1/T3/Metro because its a DEDICATED line | |
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Re: pshsaid by neufuse:Metroethernet over fiber... only $700 a month and get up to GigE speeds..... symetric.... You pay more for T1/T3/Metro because its a DEDICATED line said by neufuse:Metroethernet over fiber... only $700 a month and get up to GigE speeds..... symetric.... You pay more for T1/T3/Metro because its a DEDICATED line Local MetroE is a different service than world wide Internet transit. Also, there is no such thing as DEDICATED Internet | |
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Yay For them I can barely get 16MbpsI don't really give a crap since it doesn't concern me. Japan had 45 Mbps for $19.00 for years but since I can't get it then YAY Great to be them. | |
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IP AddressesIt sucks that they dont offer more than 14 ip addresses per modem. Time Warner & Charter offer up to a /24 on coax. Comcast is missing out on some business because of this. | |
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HehI'd like to quote a couple of people from other sites:
Here in Slovenia, 100M/10M costs 20 EUR per month. No transfer limits.
For real. I'm currently living in Korea and I don't think that I've been able to find any service slower than 50 Mbps. The standard here is 100-160 Mbps for roughly $20/month. When I read the following line in the article:
"And the blog post notes that Verizon is offering some very high-speed services these days: fiber to the home at 50Mbps down and 20Mbps up in some areas."
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2009-Sep-9 8:57 am
Tell Me Again Why Comcast Needs To Cap Its Res. Customers?I know there is a difference between speed and bandwidth, but can someone explain to me if they can offer 100Mbps to businesses how can they claim that their network is taxed by all these crazy pirates?
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2009-Sep-9 9:16 am
comcast is doing what ISPS did to us canadiansget used to it and get ready to pay up your butt
move to europe and get WAY cheaper net rates
...in fact move your IT busines to europe via outsourcing IT people ( cheaper) then use the cheaper net and smash yoru USA competition to pieces
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And do "businesses" not need higher upstream speeds (since one would presume that significant numbers of people are trying to connect to them)?
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2009-Sep-9 10:03 am
Residential users don't need it...I used to get 30M+ when I was on OOL. Switched to Comcrap and was getting ~25M. Now I'm on U-Verse and getting 18M. No real life difference except when downloading a huge file (200M+) once a month from exceptionally fast sources. Otherwise most servers can't fill the pipe. I'd say residential users don't need more than 10M, anything over that is for bragging rights.
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2009-Sep-9 10:59 am
dream ondream on
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2009-Sep-9 11:22 am
Re: dream onsaid by sickntire :
dream on
comcast $369.95/m, optimum online $99/m
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First Year:
OOL: $300 + $99x12 = $1,488
Comcast: $369 x 12 = $4,428
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2009-Sep-9 11:40 am
What's the Upload?Firstly, what's the upload connection on this thing? And is this another "UP TO" 100mbps. I rather take my 30/15 connection that is steady all the way. Not to mention I don't need to have caps or be throttled. F* comcast! | |
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Tell me about itI think we pay close to $1000 for 3xT1's. That's 4.5mbps symmetrical people...
Were locked into a 3 year gig, but after that's up, if something like this can provide a full SLA and maybe 3 /29 blocks of static IP's, it would be interesting. Comcast is digging up our business park right now laying fiber. | |
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Do we "NEED" 100M? YES -- for the futureNo, I can't say anyone needs it now. But if we HAVE a truly broadband connection like this, new applications and services will come available to use that bandwidth. What applications? -- IPTV (No more rain blackouts from cable or satellite) -- Home security (companies who can monitor cameras for better home security -- even monitor your own home while away) -- Remote backup (yes, it exists now, but it's painful to use at molasses speeds) -- Stuff we can't even imagine now! That's the best part. Open the taps and see what creative people can do with it. I'm glad I can have a Paxio connection (» www.paxio.com) because I've had 100M/100M for a long time now. The best part is, I just don't have to think about speed anymore. If I want a new Linux distro, just click a link and watch the installation DVD fly into my computer. If I want to help a project, I just seed their torrent and everybody can benefit from my bandwidth. You need to start demanding more bandwidth NOW from your providers. Only when this kind of speed becomes ubiquitous will the applications start to grow. | |
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Re: Do we "NEED" 100M? YES -- for the futureThe amazing thing is, and I'm assuming Paxio is a relatively small company, that gigantic companies like Verizon and AT&T have enormous economies of scale to draw from. Heck, those two alone control the special access lines, essentially giving them infinitely cheaper prices than end user businesses who must rent access from them
And yet services like FIOS and U-verse don't even come CLOSE to competing with Paxio's offerings.
In a true free market profits tend towards zero. Just how fast and cheap would internet services in the US be in a truly competitive market with the economies of scale and ownership of backbone these massive incumbents enjoy?
I'm thinking at least Japanese level pricing for urban areas.
For me, then, the national broadband plan is an incredibly exciting proposition. I'm hoping that the FCC just blows our minds out of the water with their aspirations. Blair Levin, after all, watched his original plan 13 years ago gutted and defamed by the incumbents. I'm sure he wants to make amends and demonstrate a generational leap in internet-related technological progress.
If sparsely populated Australia with its relatively puny economy can undertake a project to build a national fiber network guaranteeing a *minimum* of 12 mbps, just imagine what Blair Levin and the FCC, with the incredible power and affluence of the US government, can accomplish. | |
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2009-Sep-9 6:44 pm
Check the SLA'sNo one is checking the SLA's when doing a comparo with residential and commercial accounts. You are all focused on bitrates, caps and monthly costs.
Comcast Business biggest achilles heel is that they can't provide a telco level SLA on their cable based broadband. They don't provide service credits when the service goes down. (and it does go down) Unless someone can find me some fine print, it's a "best available" service like residential.
There is no way I would mux SIP voice channels on a Comcast Business IP link. While the price does compete with the TWT Campus Ethernet offering, TWT provides a superior SLA.
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Re: Check the SLA'ssaid by ricep5:No one is checking the SLA's when doing a comparo with residential and commercial accounts. You are all focused on bitrates, caps and monthly costs. Comcast Business biggest achilles heel is that they can't provide a telco level SLA on their cable based broadband. They don't provide service credits when the service goes down. (and it does go down) Unless someone can find me some fine print, it's a "best available" service like residential. There is no way I would mux SIP voice channels on a Comcast Business IP link. While the price does compete with the TWT Campus Ethernet offering, TWT provides a superior SLA. IMHO: Comcast Business is good for SMB's, tertiary links in DR or when you need basic broadband for VPN in a remote locale underserved by a telco. Upon reading your post, I thought to myself, "half of that entire paragraph is a bunch of acronyms". Right on! | |
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2009-Sep-9 9:40 pm
Time WarnerTIme Warner Cable is so behind, it's not even funny! | |
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Re: Time WarnerTell me about it.
Back home I'm probably in the best market for TWC internet possible. $50 for 15/2. Lots better than $65 for 8/2 that I was getting here in CO...
...then Comcast rolled out DOCSIS 3. $55ish for 12/2 isn't a big deal. $75 for 22/5 is a big deal. Having a 100/15 pipe available at all is a big deal, considering 15/2 would be $250 over TWC back home. | |
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