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Toguro
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2007-Nov-30 9:09 am
Wow it is reasonablyWow it is reasonably priced. Satan must be ice skating today. | |
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| ChiyoSave Me Konata-Chan Premium Member join:2003-02-20 Salisbury, NC |
Chiyo
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2007-Nov-30 9:20 am
Re: Wow it is reasonablynickel and dime us to death geez! | |
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Re: Wow it is reasonablysaid by Chiyo:nickel and dime us to death geez! No one said you had to buy it.. You're being given the OPTION to purchase a monthly subscription to Tivo software. So - please tell us how you're being nickeled and domed to death. (Keep in mind the millions of dollars they put into the development of the software when you do please) | |
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to Toguro
And I heard its a per household charge.
So if you have 2 DVR's and you call to add Tivo, both DVR's will be updated and you only have 1 additional 2.95 charge on the bill. | |
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Re: Wow it is reasonablyyes it is 2.95 per account not per DVR. Not bad | |
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This has been keeping me with Comcast for a bit, but I'm tired of waiting. The transfer between DVRs would be huge if they ever upgrade to that level.
FiOS is available in my area, but haven't made that jump yet either.
They still talking Q1 next year? | |
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Ulmo
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2007-Dec-2 12:32 pm
Re: Wow it is reasonablysaid by magilladke:This has been keeping me with Comcast for a bit, but I'm tired of waiting. The transfer between DVRs would be huge if they ever upgrade to that level. FiOS is available in my area, but haven't made that jump yet either. They still talking Q1 next year? Wondering what FiOS internet & telephone + Comcast TV with TiVO would cost. Too much I gather? | |
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Great , $20 for dvr service for one box and ohh i don't know 37 for 2. Yeah not bad. At least the $3 uptick doesn't leave my ass stinging like their last price increase.
I think this is something I will pass on. Im going to get directv january so f00k comcast and their overpriced crap. | |
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But it's still $16.94 per DVR. So if you have 3 DVR's, you'll be paying comcast a whopping $53.77 per month, ON TOP of the rip off of $80.00 for your basic tier. This brings you over the 'magic' number that comcast wants to rip you off for every month. Add in Internet at another $50.00/month, and you'll be paying comcast $2200.00/year. It's not worth it. Would be cheaper to just get internet, ($65.00/month), and DOWNLOAD all your TV shows. Hell, a good mythtv box can be built for $500.00, so in the first year, even considering your capital outlay of $1500.00 for 3 NETWORKED and DRM FREE DVR's, your only out $2200.00. Amoritize the DVR's over 3 years, and you save a whopping $2800.00 vs. leasing from comcast. That makes much more sense. | |
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2007-Nov-30 12:05 pm
Reasonable? LOLWow I feel for you guys. And I thought it was bad when I had 3 DVRs w/ DTV:
$5.99 DVR fee on account + $5 per extra receiver (x2, first one is free) for a whopping $15.99 a month for 3 DVRs (1 HD, 2 SD Tivos).
I cut it back to $10.99/month for 2 as we really don't need 3 TVs in our house as I just watch my HD Plasma 99% of the time :P | |
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| | | fiberguy2My views are my own. Premium Member join:2005-05-20 |
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Re: Wow it is reasonably.. and with the whole home DVR coming soon, that $53 a month will reduce. Further, if you had Tivo, you'd not only buy the box, get stuck into a contract, you'd also be paying upwards to $14.00 per box just to use something you own.
I see it as a lateral issue, or, in the case of a break down, repair, etc, a better deal to lease.
But, for once, I'm with you. I have Media Center computers that I paid $750.00 to build each.. I own them and they can be used for other uses as well like photo sharing, music streaming, or plain old computing, etc. | |
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to karlmarx
said by karlmarx:It's not worth it. Would be cheaper to just get internet, ($65.00/month), and DOWNLOAD all your TV shows. Your correct, it is always cheaper to steal then to pay. I could stop buying software as well and just download it and save alot of money...I was going to go on to describe how "worth" is determined by those actually paying for the service, but your posting signature encouraging blatant theft let me know it was pointless. While I have no qualms with illegal downloading, and do it myself, To endorse it as if the activity is fully legal and to encourage those to do it simply to "stick it to the man" is just immature. Lets stick it to the authors by downloading their books that have been ripped to ebook format. Lets all stick it to the milk companies by stealing the milk from the store! Lets stick it to the gas companies by driving away without paying! P.S before anyone launches into a tirade about how milk, books, and gas differ greatly from IP...your wrong. All are objects of worth set by those selling them. | |
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said by Toguro:Wow it is reasonably priced. Satan must be ice skating today. The price is reasonable. The question is - will the Comcast implementation of the Tivo interface be worth even that amount of money? I'll be looking at the reviews by BBR members that actually end up buying the Tivo upgrade when it is available before deciding on it myself. Native Tivo on a purchased DVR has capabilities that allow hooking to the internet and the home network for showing home videos, pics, etc. I somehow doubt that the Comcast implementation will allow any of that, making its version a mere user interface upgrade. | |
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Paying almost $20 a month for a DVR is reasonable?
I am still trying to figure out why are we so freaking stupid that we are even paying for the ability to record things to begin with.
Sure it provides a convenience but it certainly should not be anywhere near $20 a month. | |
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Re: Wow it is reasonablyI am not stupid.. and I pay about $20 a month for Tivo service.. granted thats on 3 Tivos I own (an S3 and 2 S2's), but I atleast own the equipment, and the cost for me is about $7 a box I think, I would have to check the bill, but I have been with Tivo since 97ish.... | |
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morbo
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2007-Nov-30 10:50 am
Re: Wow it is reasonably3 tivos is different than 1 dvr/tivo for almost $20 a month. | |
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Notice I said "we" and if you are paying $20 for DVR service then yes, you are stupid. Note: I am not exempting myself from that just because I only pay $7 a month. I think it is ridiculous that they charge a fee period. But as long as stupid people like you and me exist that will pay it they will charge it. I try to justify my stupidity as at least I don't have to "purchase" the hardware and if it breaks they will replace it. At $84 a year I can do that. But at $240 a year for their DVR, I wouldn't even attempt to justify that. I wouldn't be happy if my DVD player, PS3, Xbox, or anything like it had to be replaced yearly so why should I except that. | |
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said by Skippy25:Paying almost $20 a month for a DVR is reasonable? It isn't uncommon for customers to grossly understate the value of things they pay for. Keep in mind that the only honest evaluation of whether something is worth it is whether or not you pay it. Talk is cheap. | |
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| | dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come Premium Member join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ |
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said by Skippy25:I am still trying to figure out why are we so freaking stupid that we are even paying for the ability to record things to begin with. its all about commercial skipping, not recording. disable fast forward when theres an ad on and watch how fast those DVRs would come back to the cable company. | |
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bUU
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2007-Dec-1 5:59 am
Re: Wow it is reasonablyIt is really both, but remove either and you basically decimate the value of the device. | |
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| sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sister MVM join:2000-07-01 Morristown, NJ |
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said by Toguro:Wow it is reasonably priced. Satan must be ice skating today. The Tivo part is, but damn, $17/month for a box?? And you can't save programming off of it? Makes me feel a bit better about buying my equipment from DTV. | |
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nightdesignsGone missing, back soon Premium Member join:2002-05-31 AZ |
Might as well get a tivoAnd at that price, you've pretty much matched the monthly service charge for Tivo. I'll stick with my (upgraded) Tivo's thank you very much. | |
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2007-Nov-30 9:44 am
Bend over Comcast peopleHAHAHAHAHaaaaaa. Comcast raises prices again!!!!! Who is surprised? Comcast improve service without raising prices? NEVER!!
I'm a very happy Directv customer. | |
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| Cabal Premium Member join:2007-01-21 |
Cabal
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2007-Nov-30 10:03 am
Re: Bend over Comcast peopleWhat additional services has Directv upgraded you to for free in the past year? | |
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2007-Nov-30 10:23 am
Re: Bend over Comcast peoplesaid by Cabal:What additional services has Directv upgraded you to for free in the past year? If you were an original HD customer, they were upgrading you to a new HD DVR free. As well as the new 5-LNB dish. And we've been getting new HD channels pretty regularly for the past months.... Considering DirecTV's HD-DVR costs $5.99 per MONTH for however many boxes you have, $20 a month is HIGHWAY ROBBERY. Granted, it's no Tivo, but I've had them all (DirecTivo, Comcast DVR, HR-21) and they all are roughly the same. Even factoring in the $199 for the DirecTV DVR, here's some hard #'s for 2 years: DTV HR20/21 - $199 + ($5.99*24) = $342.76 Comcast DVR - $16.94 * 24 = $406.56 Comcast DVR + Tivo - $19.89 * 24 = $477.36 That's not counting the FACT that Comcast's DVR charge went up from $9.99 to $13.99 in the past 2 years I had them (now with DTV). So you can expect the Comcast rates to go up. Lube up folks with Comcast. | |
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Rama767
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2007-Nov-30 11:09 am
Re: Bend over Comcast peopleNot sure about your math, and perhaps its because you're an existing subscriber. But I haven't upgraded to HD simply because DirecTV charges too much. On comcast I paid $9.95 for both DVR and HD service and the box was included. DirecTV wants $299 for the box + 5.99 for DVR + $9.99 for HDTV. Way more expensive. Total over two years is $682.52, 68% more than your comcast DVR calculation, and 43% more with the Tivo option. If you have any suggestions on making DirecTV even close to affordable, I'm open to hear them because I could be completely wrong in what DirecTV offers. | |
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2007-Nov-30 12:14 pm
Re: Bend over Comcast peopleDTV has promo's for $199 for the box. How much does Comcast charge extra for HD service? Its a bit more than $9.99/month I bet. Anyway the best deal was to already be a DTV customer. By talking to retentions I got an HD-DVR for fee plus they threw in the HD service free ($10 off) for 1 year. Heck I think customers are eligible for upgrade promos every 6 months or so, which means sign up for the free DVR package now and in 6 months start calling for the free HD upgrade | |
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Let's say this: I WAS a comcast customer. $74/mo for Dig Cable + DVR + HD. The HD selection was very limited.
I'm now a Directv customer - I have HD, DVR, great selection of HD and more channels for $59.99/mo for 1 year and $69.99/mo for year 2. I did pay $199 for the DVR and that's the current offer on DTV's website. Better yet, you can get the Plus DVR Service for $49.99/mo for 12 months and $69.99 after that. That's HD, DVR, and locals included.
Comcast can't touch that by a long shot. | |
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Ahrenl
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2007-Nov-30 1:36 pm
Re: Bend over Comcast peopleSo you're paying more with Dtv and happy about it.. odd, but whatever works for you. | |
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Re: Bend over Comcast peoplesaid by Ahrenl:So you're paying more with Dtv and happy about it.. odd, but whatever works for you. Save yourself the trouble next time you clearly missed the point on purpose.. or at least I hope you did. The point is that you get a lot more for your money with DTV. It'll take Comcrap years to even attempt the amount of HD currently available by DTV. ROI is king and Comcrap customers who takes rate increases and all the normal bs clearly don't understand the definition. | |
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Here's the 2 year breakdown:
Comcast - $74.99 for digital cable + HD + DVR. This has gone up 2x this year and is almost guaranteed to go up at least annually in the coming 2 years.
2 years w/Comcast = $1799.76
DirecTV - Startup cost was $199, $59.99/mo year 1, $69.99/year 2 for HD + DVR
DTV Year 1 - $59.99/mo * 12 + $199 = $918.88 DTV Year 2 - $69.99 * 12 = $839.88 Total = $1758.76
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said by itguy05:Let's say this: I WAS a comcast customer. $74/mo for Dig Cable + DVR + HD. The HD selection was very limited. I'm now a Directv customer - I have HD, DVR, great selection of HD and more channels for $59.99/mo for 1 year and $69.99/mo for year 2. I did pay $199 for the DVR and that's the current offer on DTV's website. Better yet, you can get the Plus DVR Service for $49.99/mo for 12 months and $69.99 after that. That's HD, DVR, and locals included. Comcast can't touch that by a long shot. Theoretically, if satellite TV companies can pair with local cable companies, then satellites can *stop* carrying the must-carry local garbage, and they can (*should*) send out higher bandwidth higher quality compression (H.264/AVC with higher bitrates) quality broadcast programming (e.g., HD -- with down-converting boxes for SD sets so they don't waste bandwidth with SD signals), chosing all the most watched shows (dynamically, best), and the cable part of the company would deliver all the VOD (video on demand), local channels (in good compression -- high quality too AVC HD etc. downconverted in boxes so no SD waste), and Internet (and voice) traffic through the local cable. That would avoid the bandwidth waste of local channels in satellite and popuilar HD broadcasts on local cables. This would give thelocal company more room to do transitions (such as getting rid of analog, etc.) with more grace periods and faster implementations. If that's what the companies would do, then that's what would be best for the consumer: Comcast and Direct TV merge. Would the FCC and FTC go for it? Perhaps if they both split in two first. My main point before I got into what is best is that Satellite is a great carrier for broadcast, *if* they don't waste bandwidth (by jamming (overcompressing and/or using inferior codecs) and/or cramming (putting too much locals that so few people watch relative to how many people can see the bird from space). Satellite has great *potential* for good HD, as long as (1) the companies actually deliver and (2) the politicians stay the hell out of the way once they've helped set up the bedrock that makes it possible in the first place. | |
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to Barmat
said by Barmat:HAHAHAHAHaaaaaa. Comcast raises prices again!!!!! Who is surprised? Comcast improve service without raising prices? NEVER!! I'm a very happy Directv customer. If directv did the same they would raise there price to. The y don't get the service for free. For me directv would cost me more then comcast does. | |
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How is this a price increase when it's an option feature? ... or do you not think before you speak? This would be the same as AT&T rolling out another calling feature with a price attached to it and letting people know that a new service is available. Please - at least try next time. | |
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morbo
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2007-Nov-30 10:51 am
$16.94 per month, meaning TiVo service would be $19.89 wow. i'm in shock just at the price of regular dvr. that would finally force me to build my own...
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wvcaver
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2007-Nov-30 11:58 am
Re: $16.94 per month, meaning TiVo service would be $19.89I'm building my own screw that monthly charge ! » www.gbpvr.com/ | |
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Re: $16.94 per month, meaning TiVo service would be $19.89Eww, it runs on Winblows. Check out MythTV. | |
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WJB
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2007-Nov-30 1:44 pm
They just rose the DVR rateBack in September in Boston, Comcast rose the DVR service fee to $12.95 from the old rate of $9.95. Under the old plan I paid $17.45 per month with the box and outlet fee added. Under the new plan I have to pay $20.45 per moth with the box and add'l outlet fee added. They claimed it was because they were making improvements to the guide. Now I guess they want me to pay even more ($23.45 per month) for improvements to their guide. This is typical Comcast! I'm thinking of just buying the Tivo HD. | |
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Re: They just rose the DVR rateThat's what I did.. Tivo = a great ROI in comparison to Comcraps lacking ever more expensive HD-DVR service. I was paying 13.45 to Adelphia but when Comcrap came in my bill quickly rose to 17.45 for the same service. Right then and there I knew I was done with their HD-DVR service. The GUI is horrible, the boxes are faulty, and they don't have a thing on a S3. While we all don't pay the same rediculous prices I'm sure a tech savvy consumer can see great ROI by going with a true Tivo box. It's like living the dream, HD recordings from one box to the other, HD content on my PC from my Tivo. Lets not forget the GUI. If there isn't a special going on Amazon has great deals + rebate on the S3 and other Tivo boxes. Good luck & enjoy everyone! Screw Comcast otherwise they'll continue to screw you. | |
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DotMac4
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2007-Nov-30 2:27 pm
Is that in addition to the box rental charge?Meaning do they get $10 to rent the DVR hardware then $20 more for the services?
Or is it $20 total to get a DVR from Comcast.
If it's $30 that's a total rip. If it's $20 then I wouldn't consider that TOO bad especially when TiVo charges $300 for hardware plus $13/mo for the spam and banner ad filled service. | |
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2007-Nov-30 3:49 pm
Build your own DVR for cheaperI just finished building my 2nd DVR which has 1080P capability and 6 tuners (one HD, 5 SD). $300 ASUS motherboard + Intel 930 CPU $100 ATI 2600 XT video card $200 case + power supply + hard disks FREE GBPVR software $100 Logitech Harmony remote which you would have anyway $300 3 Hauppauge dual-tuner cards $20/year TV guide service -------- $1020
I can record 6 shows at once. I can upgrade disk space easily. I also have a nice file server. I have a Hauppauge MVP in another room which connects via cat5 to my DVR. Cost me about $80 and it uses my DVR as a server for live TV and recordings. GBPVR has plugins for weather, stocks, and manage your recordings anywhere over the web-and it's free. Support is great. I sent him $10 this year for server space for his support forums.
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Re: Build your own DVR for cheaperDon't forget the cost of the Windows license..... | |
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| fiberguy2My views are my own. Premium Member join:2005-05-20 |
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I'm just curious... on those items, where is the card that's giving you the ability to process and display the 1080p signal? I've been working on DVRs for quite some time now and I've yet to see anything that does anything HD with out dropping some serious money.
Hauppauge's WIN TV-HVR PCI Express boards only handle 1080i at top end and only does digital over the air ATSC or QAM.. not sure where that 1080p comes in at.. do you have a blueray DVD or HD DVD player in your machine?
Also, as someone else stated, you have to add in the cost of the XP or Vista license to that price tag... so you're pretty far under cost.. especially since you forgot the cost of the memory, DVD drives etc..
Don't think a lot of people would drop that kind of money into a PC based PVR just be be able to get local HD broadcasts and the couple of QAM channels you'd get on cable. Cost wise, it's a techies toy, but that's it.. and I can say that being I own 3 XP Media Center 2005 editions, and a vista ultimate machine my self. | |
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WJB
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2007-Nov-30 5:15 pm
Comcast Rate For DVRThis is how Comcast DVR breakdown in Boston $7.45 For the Box, Remote & Digital Outlet $12.95 DVR Service Fee $2.95 Tivo (When it comes available) Total For Everything is $23.40 Per Month | |
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2007-Dec-1 2:39 pm
Re: Comcast Rate For DVRsaid by WJB :
This is how Comcast DVR breakdown in Boston $7.45 For the Box, Remote & Digital Outlet $12.95 DVR Service Fee $2.95 Tivo (When it comes available) Total For Everything is $23.40 Per Month I believe you're misrepresenting. The 12.95 includes the box and outlet. Its like .35 for the remote a month. | |
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myosh
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2007-Dec-1 4:37 am
For $20/month, just get a TiVo HDInstead of forking over $20+ a month for their DVR (with TiVo or not), why not just buy a TiVo HD and have Comcast install CableCARDs. The box can be had for as little as $250 and a year's worth of service for about $10/month ($129 pre-paid). With a "real" TiVo, you'll also get TiVo-To-Go and the ability to view your photo albums and play your music on your TV. You can also expand the recording capacity by plugging in an eSATA hard drive. I'm pretty sure Comcast's version of TiVo will not have these features.
I've had a Series3 TiVo with 2 CableCARDs since January and I just added a TiVo HD with a single M-Card. The best part is, instead of forking over $40+ a month for two Comcast DVRs, I only pay $3.60/month (first CableCARD is free and it's approximately $1.80/month for the other 2 cards). | |
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