 Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
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Pv8man
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2009-Oct-27 3:36 pm
ComcastComcast - "We should be able to block any traffic we want because we own the internet, not to mention all the kickbacks we will get from the entertainment industry for blocking certain p2p apps" | |
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Re: Comcastthey own the last mile of the network they created. so yes they do own what you view. You only lease that last mile of the network and pay for the network. They provide the internet as an addon. | |
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Re: Comcastsaid by hottboiinnc4:they own the last mile of the network they created. so yes they do own what you view. You only lease that last mile of the network and pay for the network. They provide the internet as an addon. Time to break up comcast. They are way too big. | |
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Re: ComcastAnd the same should happen to: AT$T and VZ. But will never happen.
When Comcast is broken up ATT and VZ better be split right along with them. But when everyone's prices go up, you can thank the courts for that one as well. | |
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Re: ComcastUh...if I recall correctly history has shown the breakup of giant corporations who have natural monopolies or duopolies leads to greater innovation and lower prices.
So what are you talking about? | |
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Re: ComcastLook at ATT or VZ prices and their price hikes? i don't see that as lower prices. We also didn't see xDSL until Covad and others started to offer it. | |
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Yeah, because we know that less competition and market consolidation leads to lower prices.  | |
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Their customers pay Comcast to deliver their bytes. To intentionally do anything else--such as packet forgery (falsely in the name of "network management")--constitutes contractual fraud. Customers pay for "Internet access", not access to the "Comcast network". "...internet as an addon." = too funny.  | |
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Re: ComcastIt is an add-on. They own the network and lease that not the Internet. | |
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Re: ComcastWhich part of "Internet Service Provider" is it that you fail to grasp? (apparently all of it) | |
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Re: ComcastThey do not call them selves that. They provide it as a part of the network access. | |
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Re: Comcastsaid by hottboiinnc4:They do not call them selves that. They provide it as a part of the network access. And you get exactly what from Comcast's network? I don't even think you can load their homepage without loading external data. | |
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Comcast HSI => High-Speed Internet
(Bored now.) | |
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join:2002-12-04
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Nope. That's like saying the post office owns your mail because they deliver it to you. Silliness. | |
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Re: Comcastthey do. once it enters their system it is there's until the addressee OPENS it. | |
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| | | |  EGeezer
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join:2002-08-04
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EGeezer
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2009-Nov-9 11:17 pm
Re: Comcastsaid by hottboiinnc4:they do. once it enters their system it is there's until the addressee OPENS it. But it doesn't give the post office the right to take stuff out of the envelope, put stuff in it or toss it in a bin to delay it for a few days because they felt the sender was sending too many letters.. | |
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I pay for Internet SERVICE. I don't own/lease the wire. I don't own/lease the network, and frankly I don't care what they do with their hardware or network as long as it doesn't interfere with my Internet SERVICE. The point your missing is who gets to define what the "Internet" is? Because if ISP get to block, throttle, or otherwise alter my connection on any level OTHER than a total slowdown or shutoff of my connection, then I'm not getting the same "Internet" as everyone else. When I order Internet Service from an ISP, I have the assumption that I'm getting the same Internet as everyone else at whatever speed and conditions I agree to with my ISP.
What the FCC is doing is actually helping to uphold the definition of the "Internet" so that when you purchase "Internet" service from an ISP, you know what you're getting. | |
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Re: ComcastYOU PAY FOR ACCESS TO THEIR NETWORK. THE SAME AS WHEN YOU PAY FOR CABLE TV. YOU PAY FOR THE CHANNELS THEY OFFER YOU AND NOTHING MORE. | |
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| | Z801 point 77
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That they created...
...and is regulated on multiple levels including antitrust laws that prevent Comcast from using their market position to hamper video competitors. | |
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fuck off comcast and all the other ISP who think they can cap you or block content or slow content.
one of these days your company will go down and no one will care. | |
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Re: ComcastAnd you'll do what? complain to ATT? VZ? TWC?
Nobody will care about you. the Internet will be capped and you'll like it or do without. | |
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join:2008-07-24
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Pv8man
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2009-Oct-27 8:41 pm
Re: ComcastReally "hitboiinnc" ?
"the Internet will be capped and you'll like it or do without."
I guess someone owns stock in Comcast, huh? | |
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Re: ComcastNope. But the FCC doesn't have any control over the Internet and the Courts will see it that way. | |
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said by Pv8man:Really "hitboiinnc" ? "the Internet will be capped and you'll like it or do without." I guess someone owns stock in Comcast, huh? Well he better sell it all off now, before Comcast goes to the "Walled Garden" he keeps talking about in another thread here. Paul | |
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Mike_
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2009-Oct-27 3:38 pm
Its history now.Whats done is done.. Comcast : you were in the wrong regardless of "fair notice". Get over it. | |
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Re: Its history now.Perhaps we should go ahead and toss out due process all together?
Comcast does have a valid argument on this one. | |
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Very odd behaviorIt seems odd to me that they would continue to fight this. The sanction had no teeth, they could be on their way.
Of course, I do get that they are trying to fight precedent, but claiming that the FCC's doesn't have that authority is probably a risky thing to do when the FCC is in the process of defining what sort of authority it means to exert.
I can just see the FCC stating, "OH yeah, we forgot about that, thanks for reminding us we will make sure that one gets in".
(Personally I'd like to see them establish common carrier requirements and be done with it) | |
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|  rit56
join:2000-12-01
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rit56
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2009-Oct-27 4:40 pm
Re: Very odd behaviorThey're trying to set a precedent. They know if the FCC lets them get a pass on this after the ruling against them then they will be able to do what they please and thumb their noses. They will never adhere to anything. Your move FCC and you better make it good. | |
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Re: Very odd behaviorAnd the FCC and try and do all they want. Comcast will keep going to court over it. The FCC doesn't really have any control over the Internet, and Comcast knows this. | |
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Re: Very odd behaviorSure they do. They made that clear already which got Comcast to stop to begin with.
They also make that clear when they layout the "principles" of broadband and net neutrality. They may not have teeth right now, but they certainly do dictate those things.
I agree with you one of your above statements though, at least partially as I would say they need to force all current providers to decide right here and right now: Are you a dumbpipe or a content provider? Pick one, because you can't be both. | |
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Re: Very odd behaviorThey will pick both.
The FCC does not have any control over the Internet DUE to it NOT being regulated. As soon as the FCC steps in and decides they have control the Internet will be taxed. That's something that has been blocked for many many years now.
The courts will tell the FCC they don't have control over it as well. Just like the FCC tried to tell cable companies they have a cap but if you deployed IPTV you didn't have a cap because the Telco's argued it's not "cable tv". The courts see it as "cable tv".
The thing comes down to it though, the network is owned and operated by the cable or telco or the ISP. They are NOT the Internet and only provide access to it. They can easily go back to the Walled Garden and become AOL all over again if the Net Neutrality BS passes and becomes law. But the fact is it has to become law first. And the FCC DOES NOT create laws. They only create Rules which the court's do not like.
Everyone that may be in favor of Net Netural is gonna have a nice surprise if it happens. Walled Gardens will come back and AOL will be the ISP everyone gets stuck with. | |
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Throttling?What throttling?
This case had to do with 'Hacking' the users connections to send false packets to stop the file transfers.
Shouldn't this have been a 3 year country club jail sentence for the Comcast boss's responsible for the hacking? | |
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It is good that Comcast is challenging the FCC.Regulatory agencies often overreach, as the FCC did in the Janet Jackson kerfluffle. Kevin Martin wanted to take a swipe at the cable companies so as to get in good with the Bells (for whom he now works as a very highly paid attorney), so he prodded the FCC to exceed its legal authority and deliver a firm slap to Comcast. Alas, because his ruling would set a terrible precedent and allow the camel's nose of regulation into the Internet tent, it had to be challenged. Bully for Comcast! The court will define the limits of the FCC's jurisdiction, and we'll all be the better for it. | |
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33358088 (banned)
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2009-Oct-27 9:09 pm
the landlord tenant act of canadawhen i rent a room its legally MINE to do as i want. in effect it isn't comcasts its mine as i'm rent my piece of that mile
imagine if you apply all this non sense to driving cars and living in your house
YOU cant watch tv nor do anyhting you want when you are awake
and only can occupy 5% of your room for 14 hrs of the day ( BCE bell Canada style)
car wise when you want to drive to and from work your only allowed to go 5 miles an hour and you cant have passengers that aren't approved by the manufacturer , you cant drive after dark or have music or anything not approved nor modify said car.
YEA go over real well in the real world and that effect would destroy whats left of actual capitalism and as such these types a actions are NOT CAPITALISM. THEY HINDER IT. | |
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Re: the landlord tenant act of canadathat doesn't apply to the Network that CC provides. | |
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treich
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2009-Oct-27 11:57 pm
cable wount last much longer anyways.I would say cable wount last much longer anyways because all these telco's are starting to ramp up IPTV on there networks. Plus comcast is greedy anyways they want you pay big $$$ for there crappy services. | |
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|  hobgoblinSortof Agoblin
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hobgoblin
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2009-Oct-28 12:36 am
Re: cable wount last much longer anyways.said by treich:I would say cable wount last much longer anyways because all these telco's are starting to ramp up IPTV on there networks. Plus comcast is greedy anyways they want you pay big $$$ for there crappy services. And the telco's are giving it away for free? Cool. Hob | |
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Re: cable wount last much longer anyways.and they're going to run it to the farms 20+ miles from the CO. | |
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Throttling is very bad.I think the internet can and will run just fine without comcast throttling it. Throttling is very bad. | |
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