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Comcast Sued For Traffic Shaping
California user takes a legal shot at cable giant...

A California man filed suit in state court Tuesday against Comcast for their throttling of BitTorrent traffic, a practice we highlighted over the summer, but received national attention thanks to the Associated Press last month. The fantastic Wired News Threat Level blog has the skinny, and a copy (pdf) of the suit:

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Plaintiff Jon Hart, represented by the Lexington Law Group, argues that Comcast's promises of providing internet connections that let users "Download at Crazy Fast Speeds" are false and misleading since Comcast limits downloads by transmitting "unauthorized hidden messages to the computers of customers" who use peer-to-peer file sharing software. Hart wants the court to force Comcast to stop interfering with the traffic.

In the suit, Hart says he upgraded to Comcast's Performance Plus service in September specifically to use the "blocked applications," and that nothing in the 22-page terms of agreement with Comcast indicated that the company throttles traffic.
A lawsuit for false advertising was probably inevitable. While Comcast stopped advertising "unlimited" service several years ago, the company hasn't been exactly forthcoming with precisely what they're doing even in the face of evidence, leaving the door open for legal action. Whether the suit will force Comcast to change their ways however is anybody's guess. This thread in our Comcast forum is where it all began.
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hottboiinnc4
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This just in for Cali Customers

Press Release:

Comcast has decided that they need to raise rates to offset nonsense lawsuits from people.

Also Comcast does NOT state what is crazy fast Internet speeds are used for; also all speeds are UP TO the key part UP TO!

don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.

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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

said by hottboiinnc4:

don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.
Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
hottboiinnc4
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

the RIAA and the MPAA. I love how people always claim its unlimited and crazy fast downloads for everything. another member on here and i got into it before over RoadRunner who reserves the right to disconnect you the same as Comcast. but RR does it at the ISP level NOT the Operator which is stated right in the RoadRunner ISP Terms of Service, and the AUP; which customers fail to read when they sign up or even before with RoadRunner Internet.
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

You are funny!

I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average.

I am working from home and upload to the website I manage thousands of photos/videos we have made.

In addition, our contractors post on their servers videos and photos that I have to download and convert to an appropriate format and then post on the Internet.

We are non-profit organization that is working with people with disabilities and we happened to use a lot of traffic to deliver video content to those who cannot leave their houses due to their disability - most of the videos are conferences and events dedicated to SCI people.

So... Should we be worried as well?

We do not use our traffic to download Britney Spears by the way
hottboiinnc4
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

at 600gigs a month on Comcast yep! i would be. never know when you're going to get a letter. And its just not funny its serious. They don't take that lightly.
Zoly
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

I am not with Comcast anymore, thanks god

Homebrew19947
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

said by Zoly:

I am not with Comcast anymore, thanks god
Then what was the point of your statement?
It had nothing at all to do with the topic.

If you are not a Comcast customer, you should not lose sleep over how their internal policies will impact you.

Thaler
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

said by Homebrew19947:

If you are not a Comcast customer, you should not lose sleep over how their internal policies will impact you.
However, Comcast setting a presedent on net neutrality will.
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Heaven forbid someone actually used the internet for everything it's being marketed for!

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said by Zoly:

You are funny!

I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average.

I am working from home and upload to the website I manage thousands of photos/videos we have made.

In addition, our contractors post on their servers videos and photos that I have to download and convert to an appropriate format and then post on the Internet.

We are non-profit organization that is working with people with disabilities and we happened to use a lot of traffic to deliver video content to those who cannot leave their houses due to their disability - most of the videos are conferences and events dedicated to SCI people.

So... Should we be worried as well?

We do not use our traffic to download Britney Spears by the way
That's only 2.3MB download of speed if it were a 24/7 connection. I use over a terabyte of data transfer a month, but mine is on the business connection so while there are some terms in contract with Comcast about bandwidth fair use, they haven't done anything about this year. It still leaves me to believe that business customers can do whatever they want and the residential customers are the ones that seem to target for letters and restrictions.

I'm done BT test by letting BT go wide open unlimited on both upload and download for weeks at a time. It's speed never seems to drop and no letters or even calls from Comcast since I seem to be maxing my speed as much as possible.

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said by Zoly:

You are funny!

I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average.
Legit purposes or not, I'm surprised your ISP hasn't "moved" you to a business tier. You're way past "casual" or even "media-savvy" with that kinda usage.
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

said by Thaler:

said by Zoly:

You are funny!

I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average.
Legit purposes or not, I'm surprised your ISP hasn't "moved" you to a business tier. You're way past "casual" or even "media-savvy" with that kinda usage.
If he is on dsl then nothing will happen to him.
hottboiinnc4
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

If i was his HSI ISP i would move him to a business tier no matter if he had cable or DSL. That bandwidth is always paid for by the ISP.

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Why did you give us all that information about disabled people? Are you trying to say you deserve special treatment because you deal with disabled people? In the end, you should be paying the business price since you are using the connection for commercial purposes. If you are on residential, you should expect them to at least ask you if you are conducting business over that connection.
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said by FFH5:

Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
The psychic friends network telco shill division has been watching you quite closely. I have it on good word from the CEO that he would like very much for you to submit your application for employment as well. It is very difficult to find induhviduals of your exceptional psychic abilities. Please don't delay...submit your app today.

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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

said by SilverSurfer1:

The psychic friends network telco shill division has been watching you quite closely. I have it on good word from the CEO that he would like very much for you to submit your application for employment as well. It is very difficult to find induhviduals of your exceptional psychic abilities. Please don't delay...submit your app today.
I just hope the high priests of the Psychic Friends Network approve :

Psychic Friends Network: BBR division

mpelle4456
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said by FFH5:

said by hottboiinnc4:

don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.
Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
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The shills are out in force today.

So how much does Comcast pay you guys to bad-mouth people on their behalf?

A nice little something to augment your retirement, I'll bet!

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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

this is in line with what i was thinking.

it's not okay that comcast shapes traffic, regardless of the program. the defense that comcast is preventing theft is a terrible argument. the power company doesn't regulate how it utilize my power, nor do i answer to how i use my water; i just have to pay more, the more i use. oh, and that's clearly stated in my bill too!
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

I don't usually defend Comcast, but it's perfectly within their right to do this. It falls under "reasonable network management", as p2p apps DO use a lot of bandwidth.

Still, I do hope Comcast is forced into publicly admitting that they do, in fact, shape their traffic, even though I know it won't happen.

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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

The problem is, if I use BT for the very first time ever I am going to be throttled as much as someone that has had it runnin 24/7 for 3 years. They need to limit users, not the network.
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

Yes; they should limit the entire network and not just users. Its not fair if its per user. Its fair if its for the entire network. For example it wouldnt be fair for you to get to use BT for what ever you want as fast as your connection would let you just because you're new to BT and if i used it and was for the last 3+ years to be limited. Just isnt fair and they'd have the same problem as they do now.

Do it and make it fair; which they are doing with the limits.

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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

The whole thing I don't get about blocking BT, or really anything an end user might do on the network, they already pretty much have caps in place, so why not rely on those rules to "protect the network"

I mean, if someone isn't over their caps, why should they suffer.
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When the metered usage topic is discussed, all of the naysayers come out en masse to defend their rights as poor customers and how metered service is anti-consumer. Ironic...

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Looks like the shills for other providers are also out in force.

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said by FFH5:

said by hottboiinnc4:

don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.
Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
Oh yes please let them do it.

Then the guy can completely own them for violating his privacy. If Crapcast really wants to lose the suit I encourage them to do that.
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Re: This just in for Cali Customers

Just attach the matter of national security to it and bam! its in favor of Comcast. anything can be a matter of National security.
gaforces (banned)
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said by hottboiinnc4:

Just attach the matter of national security to it and bam! its in favor of Comcast. anything can be a matter of National security.
Heheh, too many people took the remote out thier rears ...
National security right there.
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Is that an official statement on behalf of comcast? Just asking for clarification.

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said by FFH5:

Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
Would a lawsuit be OK then?

Yeesh. I use P2P for legit purposes. If RIAA is indeed interested in my distros, indy music, demos, patches, etc...they're more than free on my line to have that information.

Personally, I'd be more upset at Comcast for providing me a gimpy internet connection, and would take my money elsewhere. But, watching this guy take it to court seems more interesting.

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They started with Bittorrent because it is commonly used for copyright-infringing sharing. This is a kind of smokescreen for getting a foot in the door against neutrality. It's the thin end of the wedge.

The irrelevant copyright noise distracts from the fact that they're deliberately sabotaging customers' communications, in a way that is unnecessary for controlling bandwidth use, and unlrelated to whether the particular victims are using a lot or a little.

They're relying on paid or unpaid shills like you to sneer and snipe at file-sharers. But if ISPs can get this abuse of customers accepted, the next encroachment on neutral traffic carriage will be something else. Eventually they'll be charging extra fees for not slowing your connections to sites and services you prefer - you'll have to pay extra to access non-ISP-affiliated sites and services as easily as those which have paid the highway robber's tolls to your ISP.

Maybe when all the all the ISPs in your area impose policies like this, you won't be so sanctimonious. Some of us don't take that long to catch on to what's wrong with this picture.

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said by FFH5:
said by hottboiinnc4:

don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.
Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
If I was Comcast, I'd cancel this jerk's service, turn over his "activities" to the RIAA and MPAA, and let them sue this moron into oblivion.

The lawsuit has absolutely NO merit. By the way, the lawyer is an idiot. He has to PROVE his activity was legal to even succeed in this case. By the way idiot lawyer, class actions ARE FEDERAL NOT STATE! Miss that LAW?

Comcast should seek dismissal, massive attorney's fees, and sanctions for bringing a "class action" into the WRONG COURT!

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How can bittorrent become a maintream, legal, legit distribution medium when the people who run the internet networks, also control their own distribution medium?

The can easily stop a competitor (in the forms of bittorent).

Torrent technology won't even have a chance to jump to the mainstream, because every MEGA CORP ISP realizes it jeporadizes their main income flow.

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said by FFH5:

Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants.
You are probably correct. Comcast, though, is deliberately enticing guys like this onto their higher speed (and higher priced) services, then throttling their connections. They know full well that a heavy percentage of upper tier connection customers are heavy bittorrent users but they are trying to have it both ways. I think they can control traffic on their network any way they wish, but they can't advertise high speed downloads then put the brakes on those downloads without risking a false advertising suit.

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said by FFH5:

said by hottboiinnc4:

don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.
Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
Which may be true, but it's an irrelevant, ad-hominem attack on the plaintiff. How he uses his connection is irrelevant to the legal question of whether or not Comcast is truthfully representing their products.
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said by hottboiinnc4:

[...] This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse.
And you would know this how? The psychic friends network will be happy to consider you for employment. In the meantime, stop flapping yer yap over subject matter you obviously have no clue as to what you're talking about.

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said by hottboiinnc4:

Press Release:
don't like it take your money else wear.
I hope you meant 'elsewhere'.
Comcast might 'wear' something out.
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The ivy league schools, consumer groups, and now ordinary citizens dont like what they are doing (enough to sue.)
This should go well with the 4.6 billion $ fine(s) the FCC could levy ...

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I'm sure they would be happy to get rid of a customer that is fighting them. AND? They've gotten away with saying "Up to" for so long... That's not really any guarentee. I know, home cable modem service has no SLA and this is a "best effort" service. Well, that's not really going to encourage Comcast to improve much is it? Let's see how this plays out before making judgements on either side.
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FOLKS - This is about Net Neutrality aka "Will there be carpool lanes on the internet?" Maybe we should have an internet caste system based on class, income or race? OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!!

I had a brain injury years ago and my life as computer tech as virtually come to an end along with the income flow of working 7 days a week. The ability to buy a local telco exchange line via Skype (which uses P2P net technology) for fractions of what it would cost to have a local line via the phone company has helped me BRIDGE the 'digital divide.' This past summer I started having consistent Skype difficulties not experienced in the past and never so frequent; Calls dropped after 2 or 20 minutes really with no consistency, quality problems with folks not being able to hear me. So if you take all this one step further the issue of unfair business practice and violation of consumer code law is NOT a stretch. Will my Skype service become so unstable that my only option besides a cell phone would be comcast phone service? i.e. If you use brand X for phone service your cost is Y but brand S cost Y + Z

One other comment for those holier then thou types - Have you payed the local or state taxes on all those geek toys you bought over the internet? NO - then keep your pie-hole shut please because it smells of hypocrisy.

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WTG man!

i dont illegal DL stuff, but being throttled would make me mad

btw my dsl suxs ...

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Good for him

I hope he not only wins his case, but I hope it shows all the other internet providers, that they shouldn't degrade and hamper our connections.

They shouldn't be selling services they can't provide, and then get upset when someone uses that service how they wish.

I know it makes me angry, when I have issues trying to share back what I download with my WoW background downloading software. It really pisses me off.

And to all you idiots out there, for whatever reason support the internet providers, just go to hell, and save your time, and don't bother to post your stupid views, because we who are pro consumer don't want to see them.

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Discounts

This guy most likely won't get anything but a long drawn out court case and a 15% or something discount from Comcast for services. He should read his AUP and TOS to see what he agreed to before actually using the service.

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Hope he wins

Good. I hope he wins, Comcast should NOT be able to block what users do with THEIR connection.

If the AA's want the person bad enough then they'll go after them, having a ISP "limiting" a users connection is NOT the answer.

And for the 44432454546 time not ALL torrent traffic is illegal.

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So what

Haha

I hate comcast anyway
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Why do so many of you love big corporations?

Are you masocists? Do you like how it feels when you're being screwed? Are you all into pain?

Seriously, USA customers pay among the HIGHEST rates for broadband of any first world country! Why? Corporate greed, payoffs to the FCC and the power of a near monopoly!

In other words, YOU'RE BEING SCREWED!!

Knowing this (and it IS common knowlege) why would you then possibly support the companies doing the screwing? Is this like a crime victim identifying with the criminal?

I don't get it....

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Comcast should countersue

...for breach of contract. if you don't read it, don't sign it.

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Good

The only regret is Comcast will have to pay the lawyers for defense. To bad we do not have loser pays. I do not see a case . The guy was violating Comcast TOS. Aft that I hope Comcast gets some back bone and send a tech and remove the cable for this guy premises.

Of course, I wonder if can I sue any Bit torrent losers for messing up my connection. No that will be a case.
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Re: Reset!

DSL doesnt throttle BT traffic, or even enforce these crapcast rules..................
am i missing something here???

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1. Build consumer network.

2. Sell the hell out of it. Keep raising prices incrementally.

3. Avoid upgrading the infrastructure to reflect the selling of the hell out of it and the capacities that it needs.

4. Blame the users for actually using the network connection they contracted for. Cut services when they do use it.

5. Remember to blame "Child Porn" whenever possible.

6. Profit!!!

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This isn't going away

Discovery should provide us with useful information.

Comcast forges packets. This goes beyond reasonable network management. IMHO, this is illegal.
LowRider
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Re: This isn't going away

said by jjoshua:

Discovery should provide us with useful information.

Comcast forges packets. This goes beyond reasonable network management. IMHO, this is illegal.
i agree, that's false impersonation/identity theft

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a bedtime prayer...

Dear God,

I know I haven't talked to you in a while, but I feel the desire to now, and I'm hoping it's not to late.

God, I've been reading the replies to this news item, and well, I've come down with a really bad case of what I like to call milk-in-nose. Add the milk-in-nose to the incessant guffaws I've come down with, and you'll see that breathing is next to impossible. My sides are hurting from the lawyer want-to-be's claiming this, that, and the other, and all the ISP picketers claiming otherwise. And to top it off, my eyes are watering to the point where it's become difficult to see!

God, I'm at wits end here. I just can't stop this. I realize I haven't been the best person, but I'm asking for your help here. Please, God, help me out.

Amen.

P.S. Oh yea, "teh internetz is kewl, and say hai 2 Jesus 4 me! WP!"
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downloaditis

it's not good to sue people. i think if someone doesn't like it then they should go elsewhere or get a special acct for "dowloaditis".

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Wireshark exposes Comcast

Get the freeware program wireshark. hook up to a bitorrent and watch wireshark show all the reset commands being sent by comcast to your computer. The Program even identifies sometimes the ip address of the comcast server sending out the termination command. I pointed this out to a technician who took all the info but never heard back from him. I wonder why? This program exposes Comcast for the lying bastards that they are. Denying this when faced with facts from AP and wireshark. And they continue to lie. I hope they have to pay heavy fines for disruppting the free flow of info over the inernet and sending bogus messages to your computer.

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Need for Speed
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC

gatorkram

Premium Member

Re: Wireshark exposes Comcast

Thanks for the heads up on this program. Obviously my isp (suddenlink) is doing the exact thing. You should have seen all the RST's flying around as I tried to run the WoW background downloader, to share the most recent patch.

Now I know for sure why I share nothing back via BT

Kylemaul
Lovin' My Firefox
Premium Member
join:2001-03-30
Puyallup, WA

Kylemaul to renegades

Premium Member

to renegades
Here's a link to Wireshark:
»www.wireshark.org/download.html
frost203
join:2005-09-17

frost203

Member

Thank U

It about time someone got the balls and money to sue, while people say just change ISP's. thats not the point ISPs get my hard earned money from gov subsidies to provide a network, then market the pipe to me an "unlimitd", "fast" ect... then they pull this crap. Hell somebodies got step up and at least give us a voice in it. On behalf of myself and all those that think we've been lied to, Thank you Jon Hart

DeeplyShrouded
@comcast.net

DeeplyShrouded

Anon

If Comcast and other ISP's wanted to.....

improve their network efficiency, they'd make their email
use a challenge key. For instance, those funky graphics
where the characters are all twisted about, readable by a
human but not a computer.
In order to send this message, please enter the 5 digits
shown in the graphic. The amount of spam would drop.
All I know is, if I send something to another PC I expect
it to get there in the form I sent it, unaltered.
That's just my take on it.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49

Diaboyos
join:2007-08-21
united state

Diaboyos

Member

Pitiful

quote:
Our customers enjoy unfettered access to all the content, services, and applications that the Internet has to offer.
»www.comcast.net/help/faq ··· ot118988

That's a flat out lie. They need to look up the definition of unfettered.

Main Entry:
un·fet·tered
Pronunciation:
\-trd\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1601

: free, unrestrained

Posing as another computer, forging packets, and deliberately resetting connections is in no way, shape, or form unfettered.

elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA

elvey

Member

Deceiving and defrauding customers is legal?

What's clear to me is that Comcast (with help from what appear to be paid PR shills posting here here) is lying to its customers.

I did some technical research and analysis which makes me conclude that the claims posted here about how the head end is seriously congested due to all this BitTorrent traffic is a bunch of hogwash. I'm not able to go public with the information sources I used or results, but I can say that it makes it clear that espaeth's claims that the BitTorrent spying and customer impersonation scheme is somehow justified because of severe congestion doesn't have a factual basis, in terms of actual congestion on Comcast's systems, either now or before the scheme was implemented.