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Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| Naa, Comcast isn't scared LOL, the standard line from Comcast. We're not afraid of competition.
My ass.
Everyone I talk to in my circle of friends & neighbors can't wait to ditch Comcast in favor of FiOS TV.
And it doesn't even matter if it's 1 bit better, or 1 cent cheaper. We're all just sick of being knocked over the head by Comcast all these years.
It'll be a refreshing change to be swatted around by Verizon for a while.
But at least then I can threaten to switch back to Comcast, or vice versa....
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No Fear
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New Jersey | Re: Naa, Comcast isn't scared I know people who are going fios, simply because they can. 2 people i know got the $99. deal . | |
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join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
| Re: scumcast and the phony company taken, an interesting thought, why do you thing that internet access should be free to all? First of all, to even consider that, internet access would have to be elevated to the level of a utility, which, at this time, it is not. Then given internet access is elevated to utility status, please provide examples where any other utility is free to all, i.e., electric, water, sewer, natural gas, telephone? | |
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join:2001-11-15
Boyds, MD
| The internet is free for all.
Just go to your public library. They have several PCs hooked up to the internet and you can use them for free.
Its just getting the internet at home or on your mobile that costs money. For that convenience, you have to pay. But I suppose that you want someone else to pay for it, don't you? | |
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Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
Premium
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
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| Re: scumcast and the phony company said by CycloneGT :The internet is free for all. Just go to your public library. They have several PCs hooked up to the internet and you can use them for free. It still costs money, to taxpayers. Nothing is free.
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Premium
join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ | said by taken :
REMEMBER.......internet access should and will be free to all
Sure it will. When pigs fly!! | |
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cybercrimes
join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA
1 edit | sorry comcast you will lose go verizon go with it,comcast you lose your prices are high
service is bad,we need internet with no caps,i pay under 100.00 for phone internet tv a good price comcast beat that | |
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join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: sorry comcast you will lose said by cybercrimes :go verizon go with it,comcast you lose your prices are high service is bad,we need internet with no caps,i pay under 100.00 for phone internet tv a good price comcast beat that Whats it gonna be after the promotion price?
And have you even been affected by the caps? People luv them some buzzwords.  | |
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join:2001-02-24
Philadelphia, PA | Comcast home town the most HD starved region they serve..... Comcast better give us some more HD here in Philly or just GTF out of the way of Verizon.
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join:2008-11-30
Fort Wayne, IN
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Simple Facts
1) Comcast afraid of losing customers
2) Comcast not afraid of losing money (willing to spend to keep Verizon out)
3) Customer HD quality stinks (Severe Compression)
4) Comcast has unreliable service (Internet)
5) Verizon doesn't compress there HD
6) Verizon has high internet speeds
7) Comcast has more VOD offerings
8) Verizon has better Picture Quality
9) Verizon requires a STB to view any programming
10) Verizon is all digital
11) Comcast charges for HD
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join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA | Re: Hog Wash you forgot that verizon dont have caps on there internet | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: Hog Wash and that is as of yet. They are not free from caps. | |
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| Re: Hog Wash Fios has no caps, Crapcast is capping after 250 GB, so if you want to watch Netflix in HD (Coming soon) forget about Crapcast, Verizon has NO CAPS, never will have caps!!!!
Crapcast must move aside, they abused the Phila Folks long enough, Fios is far better in TV, Internet and Phone service. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
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| Re: Hog Wash PROVE that FiOS will NOT have caps. They have never stated that. They say that have not ruled them out yet.
Their CTO has even been quoted at a Think Tank about using them. The story was here on BBR!
Get over yourself with your FiOS and Comcast. | |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| And where are the Comcast fanboys? Comcast calling for no competition is like the pot calling the kettle black. There is NO WAY Comcast can defend this stupidity.
The very same things Comcast is accusing Verizon of doing are the same things Comcast has done on their own.
Sorry, but all this will do is make a few council members' campaign coffers a bit richer. | |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: And where are the Comcast fanboys? They're waiting to download their latest talking points from Roberts. Perhaps they're over their cap and will have to wait 'till their next billing cycle. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | No kidding, it's about time that $2.1B in gifts and perks BA stole from PA taxpayers got them somethin'. | |
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Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
Premium
join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA
1 edit | Great to remind these Telco Shills about how Bell Atlantic/Verizon screwed this region out of BILLONS..great post dadkins; I say let Verizon in and we residents get free internet and TV (PHONE SERVICE BLOWS) for 5 years to make up for Verizon's thievery!!!
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Yeah... Nobody wants to remember(or are too young to remember) what this "Glorious" company did and got away with.
I'm in Cali, but I have friends in PA that got hosed in this *deal*.
Someone ought to Enron their asses.
Ben Dover. 
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join:2005-01-27
Newtown, PA
| Re: Yeah... They are BOTH evils (no lesser two). And "the city of brotherly love" deserves the shafting it gets. From Street's puppetry to Rendell's laundering (how you think dey gots dat stadium built so fast for those B_E_A_G_L_E_S Beagles!)...I'm no longer surprised.
I bet Verizon wins. Youse guys can have cheesesteaks. I'll send you and Dadkins one each. Jim's, Pat's or Steves? Cheesewhiz or American? Fried onions... 
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Yeah... It was the state PUC and legislature, not the city. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| mind one's own business... Comcast shouldn't be concerned what Verizon will or won't do... that's up to customers to buy the service or not. It goes without saying that the most profitable areas will see deployment first... that's EXACTLY what Comcast is interested in slowing down.. a cable company could give a sh*t about what actually happens until it takes money off their bottom line financial statement. Let competition begin! Even if it's Right on the same block as Comcast's Philly Headquarters! | |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I give money and perks in exchange for favors, I go to jail Comcast and Verizon do it and it's called lobbying. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Verizon tower Maybe Verizon can build a huge tower in philly as well, and tell us how great there landline service is. | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | Of course What else is new?
Verizon needs to light the fire under Comcasts ass so they have a reason to upgrade HD channel lineups and the bland set top software.
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| Comcast has a point... For starters..where exactly is this better Verizon fios pricing that everyone expected?
There's plenty of areas now that have both fios and cable and I have yet to see anyone posting any better deals than they were able to get on a cable package.
What that means is that the COMPETITION..is doing NOTHING for consumers in terms of prices. And WORSE yet..look at what's been happening to verizon and AT&T lately with the LOSS of landlines and LOSS of DSL customers. Do you think there is anything conducive in that that will cause verizon to want to LOWER prices?
Guess again folks. The pressure is on them to RAISE their prices faster than cable instead.
And so..that begs the question...why then should any city rush through a verizon deal? What's really in it for consumers? Choice you say? Ok...i'll buy that..to some extent. But does it really pay to try to WEAKEN your cable operator? What might happen then is that THEY have to raise prices to compensate for that..right? And what you wind up with is overall..higher prices. And consumers not winning AT ALL.
If you read that story carefully what you'll also see is this..
"They hope Council will pass the ordinance before its winter break so it can begin the seven-year building process. "
SEVEN YEAR BUILDING PROCESS.
7 years. Why didn't verizon start this a decade ago like the cable co's did? That's why they're in the mess they're in..and now they'd like the whole process just waived and rushed through so they can try to catch up. Is that fair to the industry that spent 100 billion dollars providing you and I what we have today? The telco's have bled every last dime out of profits to spend on their shareholders. Not you and me. And that's why so many people can barely get even dsl today.
I'm all for competition and personally would like to see Verizon ultimately get approved for not only PA..but all the areas they serve. But I do think that questions need to be asked and governments shouldn't just rely on leaps of faith that they will do as they promise. They should agree up front to wire the whole area...not just say "trust us"..we'll get it done in time. Where did trusting them get anyone the last 10 years? And no deal should be approved without careful thought along the lines of what I outlined above. What comcast is now saying is that Verizon should be required to demonstrate how this is really helping consumers. And from what I've seen of their rollouts and pricing..it's a real stretch to say that is really the case.
What I HAVE seen however is Verizon and AT&T getting weaker by the quarter as they lose customers bigtime.
What will that look like in SEVEN years time?
At that rate..there might not even be a Verizon to talk about folks. And that's why this whole thing needs serious examination before approving anything.
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hussle87
Premium
join:2008-01-06
Sykesville, MD
| lets show comcast what people really want! what is comcasts problem I thought they are planning a docsis 3 rollout there really soon. I mean comcast has the technology to compete in their hometown. with that said If the franchise goes through I wonder how many people from philly will dump comcast. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Comcast and the bells!! Wait until the new Admin takes over and the VZ and ATT will be at the mercy of them. Hopefully another break up. We'll all go back to Bell South, NV Bell, Pacific Bell, Bell Atlantic, SNET, Ameritech, and Southwestern Bell. Hell maybe even make them give up the bell name all together and block mergers for years to come. Even make them spin off their ISPs will no interest in them. Just make them a "wholesale" provider. | |
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| I will be glad when Verizon especially is taken apart piece by piece. They have controlled and minipulate the agencies that were created to oversee them. If you read what has happened most reason with the 970million dollar overpayment of the USF it will sicken you. I read where people are afraid to take this money back from these RBOC's for fear of breaking them. My God they have broken the small guy and never said sorry. 10% is directly attributable to the fact that they do not obey the rules and play outside them. I believe I understand business and it is to make a profit. But to make a mockery out of our Federal and state offices they are suppose to regulate them is a sad joke. FCC chair Martin has allowed them far too much lead way and freed them from being accountable! Let the new FCC enforce the rules and make them pay for their transgressions.Enforcement of laws that they have had around and made no decision on are the worse. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Comcast and the bells!! Sorry but you can read all you want with people afraid of taking back the money from the USF. Because for one on here nobody from the gov't has said that publicly on record.
And it doesn't sicken me with the USF money. I don't pay into it. Easy enough. | |
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@verizon.net
| Re: Comcast and the bells!! Well it seems that you go with the wind. If by chance I made a error in what I said oh well shjows my level of education. BUt anyway instead of giving credits back to who ever they charged this fee to they are not. Anyway you put it Verizon is a awful company and a bloodsucker that does control the PUC/PSC they deal with period and they destroy they workers as well. So split them up and be done with it. I will never vote for the. Yes I use them for my service but it was a free promo in my area. AS soon as the charges come I will be gone. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| no crystal ball! no one knows what will happen. yes, in many non-competitive markets the trend for companies to price gouge customers is in full effect... keep in mind this not limited to telecom... have you filled up your gas guzzler or toyota prius this summer? it recently cost you over 200% what you used to be gouged for, with VERY LITTLE accountability... so there is a culture of obscene greed amongst big coroporations.. (an example: Mr. Bank and Mr. Auto looking for taxpayer funded bailouts while taking coporate jets to Washington at a price that is larger than some people's yearly salary). Corporations spend money as if it rolls off a printing press.. those in charge are at a complete disconnect from the hard working people who earn the money to pay the bills. Form a unionized purchase boycott, and you'll see how fast they get an economic reality check.
Congress thought in it's wisdom (yes, oxymoron) that 2 wires to the home would be significant enough to ensure competiton, while they quietly strangled 3rd party & independent carriers from accessing a majority of last mile infrastructure. Cable got a free pass & telcos get a wink & a nod as long as they deployed infrastructure.... maybe these issues should be revisisted again to either put 3rd party carriers back in the last mile for both cable & telco.. or bully the major players with anti-trust/price fixing...
Problem is.. you have no leverage if Verizon doesn't build the network first... if you want Verizon to build.. TV Franchises will be the price of admission.
The consumer is on the losing side all around with how prices are set, raised, and set again.. metered billing, throttling & poor service are symptoms of a larger problem.. not offering a fair price for service: OBSCENE GREED. The price charged, versus bottom line cost of providing service. Don't just look at telco.. look at cable as well (collectively, telecom but seen through two legacy regulatory prisms). A unified telecom law must fix this.
Some laudable goals: REAL competition, carrot and stick to get telco into the voip deep end, eminent domain of infrastructure where builds are stymied especially in rurual areas and uncompetitive markets. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Doing what Verizon likes to do Federally That is soon over. The new admin. could easily go in and say that any state franchise deal that was signed into law is illegal and all deals have to the cities and townships that they used to go to.
Which should happen. The states should be allowed to sign anything like that on such a massive scale. Why should Ohio get to say that ATT can provide service to half of Toledo but Toledo says Buckeye has to wire the entire town? or Why TWC has to service my former town-Fremont, but ATT doesn't?
Ohio shouldn't get the right to decide that. Only the Cities should get that. | |
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join:2002-04-17
Los Angeles, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | If Comcast is against it... If Comcast is spending money to oppose this entry, then it will hurt their bottom line and it must be good for consumers.
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Aozora
join:2008-11-28
·Comcast
| This is what is wrong with the USA "Verizon is hoping to secure a citywide video franchise"
If any ISP or cable company wants to deploy something, it should be simple as a yes. Why? It benefits the consumer in every possible way. Lower prices, better quality, and more choices. These ridiculous high and tedious barriers of entry into the market do NOT benefit the consumer in any way.
If we want speeds that are not third world and no caps then we need to get rid of this crap stopping that from coming true. When each ISP is basically a monopoly or a duopoly at best in the areas they serve we won't see some real improvement. Also over $50 for a few basic channels of Cable is ridiculous. If I want a decent channel package you have to pay $75 to the Cable company. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: This is what is wrong with the USA How do you figure that it will lower prices? ATT offers cable TV service now in my neighborhood. But guess what? Their service is cheaper than local cable. But Cable isn't going to lower their rates and who says ATT isn't going to raise their rates either?
It does not give any benefits except if I'm not happy with one I can go to another.
The Cities in Ohio that have several cable companies do not have price wars.
Show us a state that has these deals with the phone companies and are having price wars? But I'll bet you won't be able to find one because its NOT happening. Instead VZ and ATT both are raising cable rates the same as Comcast, TWC, Cablevision and many other cable companies. | |
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join:2008-11-28
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1 edit | Re: This is what is wrong with the USA said by hottboiinnc :How do you figure that it will lower prices? ATT offers cable TV service now in my neighborhood. But guess what? Their service is cheaper than local cable. But Cable isn't going to lower their rates and who says ATT isn't going to raise their rates either? It does not give any benefits except if I'm not happy with one I can go to another. The Cities in Ohio that have several cable companies do not have price wars. Show us a state that has these deals with the phone companies and are having price wars? But I'll bet you won't be able to find one because its NOT happening. Instead VZ and ATT both are raising cable rates the same as Comcast, TWC, Cablevision and many other cable companies. Two is a duopoly. Basically behaves like a monopoly. You need to see various providers to see a competitive market. It is like having two pizzerias in the city. The prices for both will be almost exactly identical. Throw in 10+ and boom all the prices drop because the other two know that to be able to keep their pricing higher they need to offer a much better service otherwise they need to drop price. This is why this does not happen with two of them. Specially one being a telco.
The telco advertises lower prices which are really barely any different. The Cable company advertises higher quality for their identical and not really superior service. In the end nobody is going to really compete as they both can make more money by simply having higher prices.
Ever been to a park where there are various vendors? Ever notice how the one with the cheaper prices has a severely bigger line waiting to buy? This is basic economics and basic observance of business. I guarantee if most people have more than 3 providers you would see competition go up fast. You ever wonder why certain areas get higher speeds years ahead of others? Those areas almost always have more competition. The fact is more competition even another provider or two puts companies more in alert to at least compete and match their service. Competition will never hurt the consumer.
As for the guy who said Americans are hooked one TV, that may be true for a lot but not everyone is. I just simply watch 3 shows a week for about an hr each on only two channels and sometimes the news on another. I have not had Cable or satellite TV in years and do not miss it. If I want a movie I just get it from netflix which is about $15 a month and cheaper than any Cable or satellite. In fact, I know more people who do not have Cable TV or Satellite over those who do. I can't justify shelling out over $2 a day for two channels I want and 150 that are worthless to me. | |
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| Fair and equal pricing?? Who what and where? You must be drinking the juice from some wild plant. If you believe for one moment that unless these utilities are some how monitored and controlled that abuse will grow. They understand the word cheat and liar. These are codes the RBOC'S live by. Tell me what does it really cost to supply dial tone? Oh yes I am sure if you use imbedded costs the price is beyond high. But how about using a forward looking cost? Hmm now that would be far to fair and not allow them all the nice perks that they steal from us. Give competition a chance to grow and allow access for all. End of story. | |
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join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| Both telco video and cable are both subject to the whim of programmers who set the prices for the channels you watch. They own the content, they get to set the prices. This information isn't usually made public so they don't get much blame for higher rates. If you look at the prices for popular channels like ESPN, Comedy Central, MTV, etc you might be surprised how much of your bill is going straight into their pockets.
Also, let's face it, Americans are hooked on TV. The programmers can raise the rates and the providers can pass it onto the subscribers because even at $75+ a month it's still a good deal to most people. If it wasn't a reasonable deal all the video providers would be losing subscribers hand over fist. For most families especially the prospect of going without video service is basically unthinkable. So if you're spending $100 a month and you have 3 or 4 people in the house you're paying something like 30-50 cents an hour per person for video service. And that's only the average, the truth is many of these households have TV's going 18 hours a day between kids & adults. I can't think of any other service that is used as much so obviously it's worth the price of admission for most people. | |
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