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4G?Can we please force the carriers to stop throwing around the 4G term when the service provides nothing close to actual 4G speeds? | |
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sorry they can and will trough 4G around until they start it all over again with 5G | |
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I think they are using 4g as meaning 'more than what 3g can do'. That said wimax is NOT 4g, 4g is(in sweden anyway) 100/50 some wimax cannot do(I thinik wimax is about 70/I forget the UL) LTE can do 100/50(its what sweden is using). | |
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said by sonicmerlin:Can we please force the carriers to stop throwing around the 4G term when the service provides nothing close to actual 4G speeds? This is spewed over and over and over here... why is there a need to clog up BBR when it's not going to change anything? So are we destined to hear the "4G term" anytime a BBR article is posted on it? | |
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Price advantageAccording to this there is no price advantage. Its easier to tether, and pay the same amount, and have existing nationwide coverage. Plus Wimax isnt considered 4g in some groups. | |
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2009-Jun-29 3:54 pm
Re: Price advantagesaid by DaveDude:According to this there is no price advantage. Its easier to tether, and pay the same amount, and have existing nationwide coverage. Plus Wimax isnt considered 4g in some groups. The plans they announced INCLUDE home wired HSI internet access as well as the mobile portion. The metro plan would only add about $7/mo to your bill. That sounds like a price advantage to me. | |
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Re: Price advantagePricing is nice. The added $30 for existing double/triple play is nice as well.
Only problem is of course network footprint, and whether Clearwire goes belly up due to LTE pressures from AT&T and Verizon, which I get the feeling is probably inevitable. | |
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Re: Price advantagesaid by Karl Bode:Pricing is nice. The added $30 for existing double/triple play is nice as well. Only problem is of course network footprint, and whether Clearwire goes belly up due to LTE pressures from AT&T and Verizon, which I get the feeling is probably inevitable. They really need to add phone service, and then they really have a great product. Althought most smart phones can do voip,but none are wimax. | |
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What Markets?What are they going to do......just rebrand in every city that Clearwire launches.....Atanta...Las Vegas? This is not helping those of us that are looking for a provider to have more coverage......... | |
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Re: What Markets?It sounds like areas that have gotten the D3 Launch | |
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2009-Jun-29 3:49 pm
I think this is great newsIt sounds like you get mobile broadband and home Internet for a cost of $70. Since Verizon currently charges $60 just for mobile broadband, this could be a serious challenge. I hope Verizon competes with this.
It will be interesting to see how you can use the WiMax service. Are you locked into only using a Comcast device? Can you buy a device and use a VOIP application to make the device your cell phone. I think that would be a real game changer. For $70 a month, you would be getting home internet, mobile broadband, and cell phone.
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2009-Jun-29 3:57 pm
Re: I think this is great newssaid by OwlSaver:It will be interesting to see how you can use the WiMax service. Are you locked into only using a Comcast device? Can you buy a device and use a VOIP application to make the device your cell phone. I think that would be a real game changer. For $70 a month, you would be getting home internet, mobile broadband, and cell phone. I am interested to see how this plays out. Me too. There are a lot of possibilities here. Comcast becoming a mobile cell phone provider by them selves or with Sprint? Selling smartphones with VOIP NOT disabled? Becoming a true Quadruple Play seller of internet, TV, landline voice, mobile voice & data? | |
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2009-Jun-29 4:38 pm
Re: I think this is great newsI want to see what happens too, I will admit I am rooting for verizon because I prefer LTE to wimax. | |
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2009-Jun-29 4:48 pm
Re: I think this is great newsIt can do 100/50 with 10ms ping, an ISP in Sweden is doing so with LTE, wimax can only do like 70/I forget. Wimax may cost less than LTE, but LTE is IMO better. I would subscribe to ether right now if it has no cap as right now there all I can get is a 512/128 from the local WISP. | |
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Re: I think this is great newsIf you really think you're going to see a 100/50 in this country I want some of whatever you're smoking.
People talk about LTE like you can go to the store and pick it up. LTE AIN'T here yet. WiMax although limited... But it is already here, you can buy the freaken modems. But anyway... | |
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2009-Jun-29 6:26 pm
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LTE and WiMAX are very similar standards capable of very similar speeds. You should educate yourself more. | |
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said by me1212:It can do 100/50 with 10ms ping, an ISP in Sweden is doing so with LTE, wimax can only do like 70/I forget. Wimax may cost less than LTE, but LTE is IMO better. I would subscribe to ether right now if it has no cap as right now there all I can get is a 512/128 from the local WISP. That's not quite right. Mobile WiMAX and LTE are probably 80-90% the same from a technical standpoint, their main differences are in business models. Regarding the definition of "4G", you're correct in that it doesn't meet the true definition of 4G. But no standard currently does, both Mobile WiMAX version 1 (based on IEEE 802.16e) and LTE version 1 (3GPP release 8) are considered 3.9G or more ideally "Proto 4G", as they are both on the 4G track. Mobile WiMAX version 2 (based on IEEE 802.16m) and LTE version 2, called LTE Advanced (3GPP Release 10), are under development right now and will be backwards compatible with their respective standards. Both expected to be submitted to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) for inclusion in IMT Advanced, which is considered true 4G (100 Mb/s mobile, 1000 Mb/s stationary). Also theoretical speeds or lab speeds don't really mean much in practice, especially if they're using a massive amount of spectrum and backhaul to get their big numbers. It doesn't happen in practice like that. We've seen this before from telcos, with their previous and current marketing for 3G. All else being equal, both standards will offer similar performance. In practice though, WiMAX providers generally have more spectrum, which make a big difference (case in point: AT&T's network problems). Clearwire has a lot of spectrum, over 100 MHz in major markets, and a lot of experience with wireless Ethernet backhaul. Clearwire should be able to offer more speed and actually deliver on it. Clearwire has commercially deployed Mobile WiMAX. It's here now, you can buy a device for around $50 and hop on their network, and it's rapidly expanding over the next few years. Intel is working hard to get WiMAX in every laptop, just like they did with WiFi and other standards like USB. I don't see that happening with LTE as it exists now, as it's a telco controlled standard. The whole standard war might be end up being moot in the long run. The standards are so similar, there will likely be devices that support both. There were also attempts to unify WiMAX and LTE a year or 2 ago, but obviously they didn't bear fruit. I suspect it has to do with the telcos not wanting to give up control. That doesn't mean they still can't be combined in the future. Hopefully by the third or fourth version of WiMAX and LTE, we can have a single wireless WAN standard. | |
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Re: I think this is great news"Hopefully by the third or fourth version of WiMAX and LTE, we can have a single wireless WAN standard."
That would be cool.
"which is considered true 4G (100 Mb/s mobile, 1000 Mb/s stationary)."
1000m(1g) fixed? Wow, that would be so cool to actually use. | |
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2009-Jun-29 3:52 pm
Plans data only; wonder if smartphones planned in futureAfter reading the news and the Comcast press release, it looks to me like these are data only plans for laptops, netbooks, etc and bundled with home internet access as well. The prices look very good for that. Pay $42.95/month for home HSI only and for $49.99 you get mobile data access at home and on the go in your metropolitan area.
I wonder if they plan on having some smartphone option as well as just the data card option for laptops in the future? Of course, that would get Comcast in to the mobile cellphone business in league with Sprint. Is that a step they want to take? | |
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2009-Jun-29 3:52 pm
wimax is pretty cheap..doesn't matter if it's not too fastyou can get 2 mobile unlimited accounts for $50...so it's $25 per unlimited account....which you could also by the way use as home internet....who cares if it's cold 3g, 4g, 5G or 60000G? it's unlimited internet on the go for a price comparable to the cheapest dsl connection out there....stop being greedy people....wimax is not that cheap but it's cheap enough...but wimax, lte, 3G will go belly up once white space devices come to the market in a couple of years from now... | |
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2009-Jun-29 4:41 pm
Re: wimax is pretty cheap..doesn't matter if it's not too fastClear wire has no cap? I wonder if that will change when comcast starts selling it. and I mean I wonder if CW will get a cap, I expect CC to keep their cap. | |
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capsAnd what are the caps and P2P throttling and DPI? | |
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Re: capsI would bet the same 250GB soft cap and no DPI (they wouldn't dare) | |
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said by patcat88:And what are the caps and P2P throttling and DPI? What's DPI? | |
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Re: capsDeep Packet Inspection = Evil | |
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2009-Jun-29 4:38 pm
Re: capssaid by DarkLogix:Deep Packet Inspection = Evil I don't think that DPI is inherently evil. But I will agree that some of the possibilities that become available with DPI are evil. | |
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Re: capsSo are guns, and sex is of the devil.
You can't call anything inheritely evil. | |
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said by patcat88:And what are the caps and P2P throttling and DPI? Took you long enough. | |
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2009-Jun-29 4:33 pm
HSI, wimax, and the data card for $50?So they're bundling 12mbps home HSI and 4mbps WiMax for $49.99/mo for 12 months? And this includes the WiMax data card for a laptop? That sounds like a hell of a deal... | |
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Re: HSI, wimax, and the data card for $50?so then what do you get if you pay for a busi account at your home? | |
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I'll bring it up...is this rolled into one big cap or are there two seperate caps?and if there is a 5GB cap just as an example on the wimax part, does that 5GB cap also count against your 250GB wired connection and vise versa?... also whats the non-promotional cost? and how can you have national access when there isnt even a national wimax network yet? | |
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2009-Jun-29 6:12 pm
Re: I'll bring it up...It would appear that there are two, possibly three separate caps.
There's the 250 GB on your home service, the 5 GB when using Sprint's 3G service (if you sign up for that), and whatever cap Clearwire has on their 4G service (I don't see any mention of one on their site, but it may be buried in the fine print of the contract somewhere). | |
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2009-Jun-29 8:31 pm
Re: I'll bring it up...it might be label under the acceptable usage policy | |
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2009-Jun-29 5:53 pm
To Bad you can't order the "Nationwide" service NationwideThe service that they are promoting for $69.99 - Home 12 Mbps Internet + 4G/3G Internet is a great price if you are currently paying Comcast $42.95 + Sprint $59.99 - saves $32.95/mo - but they won't take my order.
Even though I travel to their existing WiMax and future WiMax areas the main benefit for me would be the lower cost access to the Spring 3G EVDO national network for half the price. | |
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Re: To Bad you can't order the "Nationwide" service NationwideYes, Ironic that "nationwide" means one city, nine cities tops by year's end. | |
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2009-Jun-30 8:16 pm
Re: To Bad you can't order the "Nationwide" service NationwideA bunch of other cities like LV and Atlanta and Chicago are online but the services has not 'officially' launched there yet. They are probably still adding points of presence to fill in some holes.
If you sign up for the service and hook up the device it will work in several cities now. Just no guarantees until it 'officially' launches in the city. | |
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2009-Jun-29 5:57 pm
Comcast WiMaxWe think this should come with the already over-priced HSI service.. with a one-time free hardware gimme.
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Nice deal$92.95/month is $60 + $33. So the cable portion of the bill is just $33 if you price it out as 3G + internet. That's actually quite competitive. Considering internet in my area is $55 or $65 I'd actually think about getting this deal.
Put another way, it effectively (for Comcast cable customers) makes EvDO + WiMAX $40...on Sprint's network!
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2009-Jun-29 11:21 pm
No caps is goodI'd try this if there were truly no caps | |
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Mobile Internet no worky with MacTo bad their Mobile Internet doesn't work with Macs :'( | |
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Will it come with a monthly 250 gigabyte bandwidth cap?Will this Comcast service come with a monthly 250 gigabyte bandwidth cap? | |
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2009-Jul-1 1:58 am
comcast + sprint ?Sprint is hooking up with Clearwire, Comcast is hooking up with Clearwire, with roaming agreements on the sprint evdo network.
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Re: comcast + sprint ?said by slckusr:Sprint is hooking up with Clearwire, Comcast is hooking up with Clearwire, with roaming agreements on the sprint evdo network. Is comcast eyeing sprint as a prize? That's my take as well, although it may take years for it to happen, and it's been a regular rumor for years now. Sprint clearly has problems, there are some clear advantages to a tie up that allows both to better compete against AT&T and Verizon. For Sprint/Clearwire: A return to fixed lines Residential / Small-Medium Business Financial resources For Comcast: National Wireless Network (~50 million customers) Big Enterprise / Government customers (a who's who list of high value customers) SprintLink Tier 1 backbone (at cost bandwidth, although bandwidth is cheap) Global Presence | |
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