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Comcast Upstream Tests: 75-100 Mbps
Upstream DOCSIS 3.0 channel bonding finally coming together...
by Karl Bode Friday 26-Feb-2010 tags: business · bandwidth · cable · Comcast
The first incarnation of the cable broadband DOCSIS 3.0 standard is theoretically capable of 160 Mbps downstream, and 100 Mbps (shared). But upstream channel bonding has been hard to perfect for hardware vendors and MSOs, which is why you see strangely top-heavy cable broadband tiers like 50/5 Mbps, or even in some cases 100/2Mbps. But we're finally starting to see some movement on this front, and faster upstream speeds should finally be coming your way later in 2010. Comcast is busily testing bonded upstream service and says their tests are providing a consistent 75 Mbps upstream connection:

lab and field trials of upstream Docsis 3.0 channel bonding have produced "sustained rates" of 75 Mbit/s to specific service groups, Chris Bastian, the MSO's executive director of network architecture, revealed here Thursday on a panel focused on what's next for cable's wideband platform. "The results look very good," he said of Comcast's attempt to bond up to four channels in the upstream. The test results have been even better in more controlled lab settings, where Comcast has been able to create sustained bursts of 100 Mbit/s.

According to Comcast, the difference between the field and lab upstream speeds are due to the channel widths used to conduct the tests: the combination of two 6.4MHz-wide channels with two that are just 3.2MHz wide in the field, and the bonding of four 6.4MHz-wide channels in the lab. Comcast CTO Tony Werner had originally been telling reporters that faster DOCSIS 3.0 speeds would drop during the first quarter of 2010, but all indications are now that an upstream bump for Comcast customers won't occur until the second half of this year.

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Rob
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Upstream Bumps..

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but all indications are now that an upstream bump for Comcast customers won't occur until the second half of this year
I can wait.
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how much?

I can see it now:

Comcast Supreme, 100M/100M symmetrical for only $500/mo!
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Re: how much?

said by nasadude:

I can see it now:

Comcast Supreme, 100M/100M symmetrical for only $500/mo!
It very well could be.. and it would be perfect for a lot of businesses out there.. and at even $500 a month it's a steal compared to what they're paying for T1 service right now.

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Re: how much?

people still get t1? ouch that sucks...

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Re: how much?

said by John McClane:

people still get t1? ouch that sucks...
We still have it here for the extra money we are paying we get a nice fat SLA something you don't get with Comcast business I asked them about one and they don't offer one and their average time is 4 days on problems.

For a company that is unacceptable in most cases I'd like more then 1 T-1 but its what are budget can handle such is life.
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Re: how much?

Minneapolis does not have an average of 4 days on Business Class service.. in fact, they page out same day, or next day service for business and I know that for a fact.

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said by Chiyo:

said by John McClane:

people still get t1? ouch that sucks...
We still have it here for the extra money we are paying we get a nice fat SLA something you don't get with Comcast business I asked them about one and they don't offer one and their average time is 4 days on problems.

For a company that is unacceptable in most cases I'd like more then 1 T-1 but its what are budget can handle such is life.
That is BS... 4 hrs to respond depending on what time the ticket comes in same day resolution CONTRACTUALLY. I don't know what Comcast 'business service' you are talking about.
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Re: how much?

DOCSIS plans never come with SLAs. SONET or EFM or dark fiber comes with SLAs.
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Re: how much?

DOCSIS plans don't? Um... actually they do... and, you say DOCSIS as if all cable operators which again isn't true either. You also can't judge one carrier to another.. nor one market of the same provider to another - that's just a horrible assumption.

The fact is, that yes, there ARE SLAs.. *I HAVE ONE* and my "business class service" is in fact carried over "DOCSIS".. oi.. don't confuse technology with some kind of implied standard.. but anyways...

I've already been over this.. and the truth is, so far, just about everyone regarding business class has been wrong.. pure and simple. (And quite honestly, need to stop acting like they know it all)
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said by patcat88:

DOCSIS plans never come with SLAs. SONET or EFM or dark fiber comes with SLAs.
I've seen the same back and forth discussion elsewhere; I forget if it's on DSLREPORTS or ba.internet. The result: Comcast business customers figured out that some Comcast regions offer business SLAs, and some don't.

skuv

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"dark" fiber comes with an SLA?

The only thing that is going to bring down "dark" fiber is a fiber cut, and a dark fiber provider isn't going to provide SLA credits if something beyond their control cuts fiber that they sell as "dark."

If they make a mistake and disconnect fibers that are in use, then yes, they might have an SLA for that. But that is such a small chance.

But if you buy "dark" fiber and you are lighting it, keeping the light on it is your responsibility, outside of fiber cuts.

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said by patcat88:

DOCSIS plans never come with SLAs. SONET or EFM or dark fiber comes with SLAs.
Local franchise agreements often have SLAs built in. If cable is out for more than 3 hours here we get a day's credit.

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said by patcat88:

DOCSIS plans never come with SLAs. SONET or EFM or dark fiber comes with SLAs.
your simply...wrong
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Re: how much?

^fiberguy is right.

Time Warner sold limited amounts of dedicated over Coax connections, so it's out there, just not commonplace.

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I'm just going off what I was told is all. Thanks for clarifying
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Re: how much?

Who told you the "average turn around" was 4 days? The local franchise authorities don't even allow that on trouble calls here.. trouble calls have to be handled in no more than 48 hours as it is... so for someone to tell you 4 days is just.. um, an idiot? Phone, on the other hand, MUST be corrected in 24 hours, "from the time of the initial report of trouble"...

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said by John McClane:

people still get t1? ouch that sucks...
Welcome to rural America...bunch of nothing out here in these parts...
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Re: how much?

rural? Heck we arnt rural here and we have 5 T-1's bonded for our metro ethernet connection
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Re: how much?

And your telco is laughing all the way to the yacht party with those loop charges.

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rural? Heck we arnt rural here and we have 5 T-1's bonded for our metro ethernet connection
How exactly is any number of T1's metro ETHERNET?

The Ethernet part of the name implies that Ethernet is the medium.

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said by John McClane:

people still get t1? ouch that sucks...
Remote sites/people still get 256/256 MPLS over an AT&T T1.

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Some people must have the service and reliability that goes with a T1. Good luck getting Comcast to roll a truck at 11pm at night. If you need more than a /29 be prepared to pay out the ass if you can get it.

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Re: how much?

A company I work for has two pricey T1s (one Covad, one AT&T), and neither of them are particularly impressive in terms of reliability. They've both been down several times. Much worse than my home connection!

The Covad one requires that the Netopia router be rebooted once in a while. The AT&T one has terrible latency (LA based office, AT&T routes all traffic through a Phoenix, AZ gateway!)

Having a SLA doesn't guarantee good service. In a different branch office we had a T1 go down for 3 days. I'm sure if we pursued it they'd be happy to give us some miniscule credit back on our bill.

T1s are overpriced dinosaurs. I'd have no problem switching them to a nice fast cable connection with maybe an ADSL back up.
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Re: how much?

You should not have gone all gaga over the AT&T sales pitch about how big they are and went with a local or regional T1 provider.
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said by djrobx:

A company I work for has two pricey T1s (one Covad, one AT&T), and neither of them are particularly impressive in terms of reliability. They've both been down several times. Much worse than my home connection!

The Covad one requires that the Netopia router be rebooted once in a while. The AT&T one has terrible latency (LA based office, AT&T routes all traffic through a Phoenix, AZ gateway!)

Having a SLA doesn't guarantee good service. In a different branch office we had a T1 go down for 3 days. I'm sure if we pursued it they'd be happy to give us some miniscule credit back on our bill.

T1s are overpriced dinosaurs. I'd have no problem switching them to a nice fast cable connection with maybe an ADSL back up.
If its going to cost more than $300 (loop charge) to fix your T1 at 2 am Sunday, they'd rather refund you your monthly fee (their maximum liability under the SLA), rather than roll some trucks on overtime. Its cheaper for them to wait till Monday 9 AM, or heck, Wednesday 9AM than to roll a truck now.

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I get woken up in the middle of the night for service calls every time I hit the on call rotation. So yeah, we do that too.

We also roll same day or next day AM on all business service calls.
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said by battleop:

Some people must have the service and reliability that goes with a T1. Good luck getting Comcast to roll a truck at 11pm at night. If you need more than a /29 be prepared to pay out the ass if you can get it.
Now that IS true
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Re: how much?

said by Hangmn:

said by battleop:

Some people must have the service and reliability that goes with a T1. Good luck getting Comcast to roll a truck at 11pm at night. If you need more than a /29 be prepared to pay out the ass if you can get it.
Now that IS true
Hrmmmm... I suppose you're right.. so when I was still doing business class work, I suppose that DAMN pager I carried when it was my turn to be "on call" going off at 10pm really meant nothing, now, did it?

Besides, business class, at 11pm at night is not designed for mission critical service.. ANYONE that would purchase a DOCSIS based service for anything mission critical would be a fool for an IT professional. That would imply you were running servers or other things that need 24/7 reliability..

Business class service, for the most part, is for connectivity to the internet for end user services. And, if it goes down at 11pm at night, and you need it THAT bad, well.. maybe a cable modem service isn't the way to go then is it?

That's running a business pretty dangerous.

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Re: how much?

Back when I did CBC on call work we didn't get a pager...we got a nextel. But yeah TS till early AM truckroll first available AM was most cases. And I always told people to the horror of my supe..use this service as a backup..VPN and true reverses for MX records were a BITCH!!!
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said by John McClane:

people still get t1? ouch that sucks...
you do when you are doing stuff on the internet thats mission critical and your business will be gone if you dont have it.

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We have a bunch of bonded T1s at school to bring us a total of 10/10. Works pretty well and reliably from Frontier. The nice thing is that if one card goes down, or multiple for that matter, we still get service just fine. Now if the box Frontier provides us with which bonds the T1s goes down, then yeah, we'll have a problem...

We're probably going to get two Comcast Biz Class modems as well and bond the three connections together since fiber isn't available (read: we don't have the funds to make it available).

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yes, but you still only get 250GB/month. Which means, full blast (100/100), you run out of bandwith 3 hours after you billing cycle begins. You can run a business with 3 hours of internet access a month
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said by fiberguy:

said by nasadude:

I can see it now:

Comcast Supreme, 100M/100M symmetrical for only $500/mo!
It very well could be.. and it would be perfect for a lot of businesses out there.. and at even $500 a month it's a steal compared to what they're paying for T1 service right now.
i'd pay $500 a month for 100/100 course the cap would have to be better than 250gb/mo.
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I had comcast HD and comcast internet. Comcast said I needed to pay to have a new line if I wanted a second HD box for TV.

Is the faster internet eating their medium bandwidth?

My solution was to get HD DirectTV instead so I could avoid this bandwidth limitations
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Re: how much?

Your post is very ambiguous.. "a new line".. as is drop? account? what?

I can tell you, first off, they're wrong.

What you were told was wrong.. and the fact you bought it.. well.. why didn't you call back and ask a second rep? becuase if you're being told all this, then there's something more to this story that you're not telling us.

HD/Television doesn't use bandwidth.. it uses fixed frequency..

seriously..

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said by nasadude:

I can see it now:

Comcast Supreme, 100M/100M symmetrical for only $500/mo!
No, No...it's Xfinity now! It will be "Xfinity Xtreme" for $500. Don't you want to immediately purchase anything with such a cool, hip name????
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Re: how much?

that sounds much better! Yeah, I would pay $500/mo if it has a cool name

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100/2?? Will 2 up even feed enough ACK packets fast enough?

100/2?? Will 2 up even feed enough ACK packets fast enough for 100 megabit download?
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Re: 100/2?? Will 2 up even feed enough ACK packets fast enough?

Their 50/10 is close to a 100 a month, but their 22/4 service is nice.

I have the 16/2 service and it is just fine for anything I have ever done on the internet.

I could never get the 50 speeds anyways.
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said by digiblur:

100/2?? Will 2 up even feed enough ACK packets fast enough for 100 megabit download?
Barely. ~25mb downstream is normally around ~460kbit upstream in acks for me.

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Finally...

A step in the right direction, but pricing will be key imo. I honestly don't need 100/100 especially if it costs an insane amount. Something like 10/10, 20/20 or 50/50 for about $40-$70 a month would be ideal.

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Good news

This will be what I (and many many others) have been waiting for for years. Good work Comcast!

(I'm amazed that I got this post in before people start complaining about the 250GB soft-cap)

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My thoughts

And the bandwidth cap boogeyman is hiding behind your cable modem.

Seriously..Comcast just needs to do away with their cap if their going to be going to these much higher speed tiers. Leave the caps for the smaller speed tiers.

I myself would be very happy with a 20/20 speed tier with no bandwidth cap. I believe that is the sweet spot for speeds (for right now)

You really don't need speeds faster than that unless you have a family of 4 or more downloading at the same time, but most family's only the younger people in the family do constant downloading.

So to sum it up Comcast..give us 20/20 speeds with no cap and a monthly price of $50-60. I'm sure this is doable on the current network where Docsis 3 is already deployed.

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Re: My thoughts

said by ztmike:

So to sum it up Comcast..give us 20/20 speeds with no cap and a monthly price of $50-60. I'm sure this is doable on the current network where Docsis 3 is already deployed.
Why should they? Unless they are up against Verizon FIOS, AT&T UVERSE, or muni-fiber they have no real competition incentive to provide anything better than 10/2 for ~$60/mo.

I think Comcast is kind of stuck in a hard place price-wise. On one hand, they must be under pressure from shareholders to recoup the cost of the infrastructure upgrades, and on the other hand if they continue charging the prices they currently are for the D3 speeds they aren't going to have much uptake.

The solution I believe is to recognize that the future is now. Do away with the D2-limited speeds altogether and make the standard tier 20/10 or 30/10 for $50-60/mo and go up from there.
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Re: My thoughts

said by bent:

said by ztmike:

So to sum it up Comcast..give us 20/20 speeds with no cap and a monthly price of $50-60. I'm sure this is doable on the current network where Docsis 3 is already deployed.
Why should they? Unless they are up against Verizon FIOS, AT&T UVERSE, or muni-fiber they have no real competition incentive to provide anything better than 10/2 for ~$60/mo.

I think Comcast is kind of stuck in a hard place price-wise. On one hand, they must be under pressure from shareholders to recoup the cost of the infrastructure upgrades, and on the other hand if they continue charging the prices they currently are for the D3 speeds they aren't going to have much uptake.

The solution I believe is to recognize that the future is now. Do away with the D2-limited speeds altogether and make the standard tier 20/10 or 30/10 for $50-60/mo and go up from there.
You do realize the D3 upgrade costs were minimal, right? They cost Comcast almost nothing. There's very little to "recoup".

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Re: My thoughts

said by sonicmerlin:

said by bent:

said by ztmike:

So to sum it up Comcast..give us 20/20 speeds with no cap and a monthly price of $50-60. I'm sure this is doable on the current network where Docsis 3 is already deployed.
Why should they? Unless they are up against Verizon FIOS, AT&T UVERSE, or muni-fiber they have no real competition incentive to provide anything better than 10/2 for ~$60/mo.

I think Comcast is kind of stuck in a hard place price-wise. On one hand, they must be under pressure from shareholders to recoup the cost of the infrastructure upgrades, and on the other hand if they continue charging the prices they currently are for the D3 speeds they aren't going to have much uptake.

The solution I believe is to recognize that the future is now. Do away with the D2-limited speeds altogether and make the standard tier 20/10 or 30/10 for $50-60/mo and go up from there.
You do realize the D3 upgrade costs were minimal, right? They cost Comcast almost nothing. There's very little to "recoup".
Define "almost nothing?" Shareholders hate any expenditures that aren't absolutely necessary.
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Re: My thoughts

said by bent:

Define "almost nothing?" Shareholders hate any expenditures that aren't absolutely necessary.
So are CEO bonuses absolutely necessary? (not refering to CC)

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said by bent:

Define "almost nothing?" Shareholders hate any expenditures that aren't absolutely necessary.
like multimillion bonuses when your company defaulted? mmyeha, they hate those don't they

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Sweet

This is nice to see. Finally good news, that doesn't involve fiber.

Of course, we still have to deal with slow roll outs, and high prices.

I for one, would love to have MUCH more upstream bandwidth.

Right now, I settle for a 15/1.5 connection. At least it's not 768 anymore...
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Possible, hopefully we can cut through all that noise

Sure this is possible. At least with the Cisco uBR10012 S-CDMA with logical channel support was available since software release 12.2(33)SCC. Anyone familiar with Cisco can check out the documentation here:
»www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/cab···p1047623

Those sub 20 MHz area's are really noisy. Also what about Scientific Atlanta based systems. A lot of those I see the SA DAVIC return up as high as 20 MHz. That put's a little roadblock in how many channels you want to squeeze in from 22 ~ 40 MHz. The Moto systems can be configured to shoot upstream as low as 8 MHz, leaving about 11-42 as your CMTS playground in a perfect noise free world. I'm not as knowledgeable in the SA set top area to know how low they can configure their return.

Squeezing in 4 x 6.4 MHz 64QAM channels in the upstream is quite a challenge. Also you alienate all the DOCSIS 1/1.1 modems. I know as of Dec 2009 Comcast stopped supporting DOCSIS 1.0 modems, which is great.

Now 1.1 modems can work with S-CDMA, but I don't think they can do it at 64QAM. Here's a great pdf presentation from Ron Hranac of Cisco regarding deploying 64QAM in the upstream:
»chapters.scte.org/rockymtn/docum···blic.pdf

This guy is like a God to cable RF. He is a genius, and anyone half interested in the technical sides of things should really read this guy's work.

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Re: Possible, hopefully we can cut through all that noise

I do remember both Motorola and Scientific Atlanta (er... I mean Cisco now) were working on moving their cable box returns to the CMTS, so that should also free up some more upstream spectrum for DOCSIS bonding.

Motorola's DVRs and HD receivers have been shipping with a DOCSIS modem built-in since day 1. I believe its similar with SA too...

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Re: Possible, hopefully we can cut through all that noise

said by kpfx:

I do remember both Motorola and Scientific Atlanta (er... I mean Cisco now) were working on moving their cable box returns to the CMTS, so that should also free up some more upstream spectrum for DOCSIS bonding.

Motorola's DVRs and HD receivers have been shipping with a DOCSIS modem built-in since day 1. I believe its similar with SA too...
Yeah the latest ones, but what about the legacy set tops? Just force people to swap them out? Motorola ones are fine, they all work down really low. I'm going to do a little more research for the SA/Cisco set tops, particularly the Explorer 2200 and 3200 which are popular no frills models.

SA2200 - Only DAVIC transmitter (not DOCSIS)
»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···5b36.pdf

SA3200 - Only DAVIC
»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···5b93.pdf

SA4200 (and later) DOCSIS support
»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···5c44.pdf

As of SA System 4 release, DOCSIS only return is supported:
»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···8888.pdf
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said by cypherstream:

Sure this is possible. At least with the Cisco uBR10012 S-CDMA with logical channel support was available since software release 12.2(33)SCC.
It's going to require a lot of linecard swaps first, most of the 10ks have MC5X20Us and not the H cards.
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I recently had a virus on my computer that slowed things down...after removing it was still slow so did a "speed test" of the cable service I use. Tested at 256kbps! Called the carrier who claimed it was an error...but i had been running that way for weeks. Just for email at home, but gimme a break Fasted line speed they have is 10mb. 100 doesn't even seem real. I found the speed test at internet service providers

ztmike
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Re: Speed Test

said by CourageDotCo:

I recently had a virus on my computer that slowed things down...after removing it was still slow so did a "speed test" of the cable service I use. Tested at 256kbps! Called the carrier who claimed it was an error...but i had been running that way for weeks. Just for email at home, but gimme a break Fasted line speed they have is 10mb. 100 doesn't even seem real. I found the speed test at internet service providers
lol what?

JohnInSJ
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San Jose, CA
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go go gadget uplink speed

On 12/2 now - and could see 20/20 as the perfect "all around" speed for most people. You need > 2 mbit up for HD video chat
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r81984
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Katy, TX
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Is this the end of caps?

If they offer faster speeds will they get rid of the 250GB cap or will you not be able to download any more than if you had a 768kbps connection.

If they keep caps then you will be able to download more in 1 month with a 1.5 mbps dsl connection than with a 100 mbps comcast connection. That is just sad.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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Well, they can compete with fiber now...

Once Comcast starts upstream channel bonding they'll be able to compete head to head with Verizon FiOS on upload speeds as well as downloads. I'm not sure if Comcast will launch a 35/35 tier or something similar, but maybe 25/25 (to compete with Verizon) might be on the cards.

If they indeed do high upload speeds like that then fiber providers will have to amp up their game in response, which is always a good thing. I predict that this time next year Verizon will have a 100 Mbit symmetric tier to keep customers from defecting t Comcast. Which is always a good thing.

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speedmaster

join:2010-02-09
Miami, FL
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Upstream is crucial nowadays

Finally we are seeing some action on the upload side... Nowadays with cloud computing, online backups, etc. a nice and fat upload stream is crucial... 100/100 would be a dream but I would be happy with 50/10 when Comcast rolls it out here in West Miami...

Goober
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Naperville, IL
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Re: Upstream is crucial nowadays

50/10 is great. But, like anything else, you get used to it. So now, I'm really looking forward to the next bump up.

maartena
Elmo
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Orange, CA
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Come get our very fast 50/200 "supreme" sub!

And please bring $250 a month....
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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with bated breath Verizon waits..

WHERE we see the new speed tiers should be very telling.. if for example it hits the bullseye of Philadelphia, PA (comcast HQ) then we know this is a slap in the face at Verizon who recently raised their prices across the board (except wireless where the industry trend is down). A small carrier such as cablevision couldn't get Verizon's attention much beyond 2007, let's see if Comcast can by putting up a sweet pricing deal in Q2, 2010!

maartena
Elmo
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Orange, CA
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Re: with bated breath Verizon waits..

You won't be seeing it anywhere where the only alternative is 3 Mbps DSL, that is one thing we know for sure. :P
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gkar1

join:2001-03-29
Chicago, IL

Can't wait

Can't wait. We switched from DSL to a 12/2 business connection in August and we could sure use the upstream bandwidth.

Xizer

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

I can't wait...

...to be able to hit my monthly cap in mere minutes! Thanks Comcast! Taking my overage charges to XFINITY and beyond!

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SunnyD

join:2009-03-20
Madison, AL

heh...

Wow, I can't wait to see how many residential customers start complaining when 2 or 3 torrent seeders pop up in their neighborhood.

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