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join:2007-10-11
Bel Air, MD | FiOS Can't come to Bel Air, MD Soon Enough I will be moving to Bel Air, MD from my lovely FiOS filled home in West Orange, NJ. I will miss FiOS so much. I loved not having to worry about caps or throttling. I will miss the neat features such as the TV menus (colorful and advanced). No worrying of this "up to" mess. Connection always on and to the max.
I will be very active trying to get FiOS into more Bel Air homes and apts. Because i really hate to deal with Comcast and their crappy usage meters for long. | |
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 | | | Re: FiOS Can't come to Bel Air, MD Soon Enough Ummm... FiOS is already in Bel Air. Now, maybe not the entire footprint of Bel Air has FiOS (yet)... but Bel Air, I believe, was the first city in Harford County to get FiOS. I'm in Abingdon and have had it since November. | |
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join:2007-10-11
Bel Air, MD | Re: FiOS Can't come to Bel Air, MD Soon Enough I will be moving to the Country Village Apts right off Idlewild Road. Still nothing in the area =( | |
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| | |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: FiOS Can't come to Bel Air, MD Soon Enough I've had Fios since August, and I would be renting elsewhere to get it, if I possibly could.
Fortunately, it's impossible to move my job.....
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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| Texas? Looks like Houston isn't up yet.
By the way, how's everyone doing usage-wise so far? Here are my numbers...DD-WRT actually says I've gone higher!
Dec: 47GB
Jan: 27GB
Feb: 23GB
Mar: 64GB (so far)
Comcast's meter is about 10% UNDER DD-WRT for this month, and significantly under for previous months. Weird stuff... | |
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|  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Clear Wireless
| Re: Texas? said by iansltx:Comcast's meter is about 10% UNDER DD-WRT for this month, and significantly under for previous months. Weird stuff... DD-WRT counts incoming broadcasts frames on the WAN interface (mostly ARP requests), the Comcast meter counts only unicast frames.
If you filter your measured traffic where (dest.mac != ffff.ffff.ffff ) you should get a much closer value. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Texas? That makes sense; I think there's about 5GB of "background noise" that my modem/router sees every month. I'd filter it out, but I'm not sure where in DD-WRT you could do that. | |
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| Huh? Call me naive and uninformed, but I just cannot see how their usage meter isn't available to all customers immediately. This is true especially if the meter is shown on their website which everyone can access across the United States!
I find it unacceptable that they have their monthly usage cap, but not even extend their own meter to all of their customers yet.
I must be missing something here that everyone else is getting. | |
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| andyrossPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL
1 edit | Re: Huh? They have to communicate with the CMTS hardware to track each users usage. They have many different models and manufacturers to deal with. | |
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| | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: Huh? said by andyross:They have to communicate with the CMTS hardware to track each users usage. They have many different models and manufacturers to deal with. They've been collecting this data all long -- it's simple SNMP polling of the CMTS devices. The big deal with the Comcast meter was automatically relating that data back into the provisioning and billing systems.
I suspect the largest reason for the phased rollout is to keep call center volumes under control as people get the announcement email and decide to call in to complain / ask questions. | |
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| | | | | Re: Huh? Is it really SNMP? I've never bothered to look but if it truly is SNMP, well I can spoof that data easily and never hit my cap.
Thanks for the idea. | |
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| | | | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: Huh? said by axiomatic:Is it really SNMP? I've never bothered to look but if it truly is SNMP, well I can spoof that data easily and never hit my cap. It's SNMP polling from the CMTS, not your cable modem.
If you can spoof a response at the exact moment the SNMP request is sent to the CMTS for the ifindex of your connection, then you deserve to use all the bandwidth you want. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Huh? Yes polling to the CMTS changes things. Sorry I didn't understand fully yet. | |
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| | | | | | | said by espaeth:It's SNMP polling from the CMTS, not your cable modem. Its actually IPDR data coming from the CMTS, not SNMP. | |
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join:2007-10-28
Philadelphia, PA
kudos:1 | Re: Huh? said by cmtsguy :said by espaeth:It's SNMP polling from the CMTS, not your cable modem. Its actually IPDR data coming from the CMTS, not SNMP. Correct. See »netforecast.com/Reports/NFR5101_···racy.pdf for a full description of the system on an end to end basis.
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join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:5 Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast
| Good luck trying to spoof requests from an unknown point to another unknown point without any of the keys. You need to know the management IP of the node (which is usually not on a customer accessible network), IP of the collection station(s), and the snmp community. If they're using SNMPv3, you won't break it in your lifetime.
As a network engineer myself, there's no way I'd use SNMP interface counters for billing. netflow/sflow is the only reliable way to handle usage tracking. Flow accounting has been used for over a decade for commercial billing purposes. | |
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| | | | |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ | Re: Huh? said by cramer:As a network engineer myself, there's no way I'd use SNMP interface counters for billing. netflow/sflow is the only reliable way to handle usage tracking. Flow accounting has been used for over a decade for commercial billing purposes. billing != monitoring. i'm sure that if one wanted to pick nits and you were charged the *instant* you went over your cap, then there would be issues. for casual bandwidth monitoring, i see no issues with snmp (in fact, in my personal testing at my house, netflow and snmp didn't differ by much - not enough to make me rant at the difference).
when you are implementing accounting and billing based on usage in the colo or hosting space, you're worried about *precise* 95th percentile (or whatever your billing methods are) and/or aggregate usage. because of the standards and practices set forth, its generally accepted to use netflow/sflow because of the granularity increase in the data.
also (and while i'm not sure of this exactly, maybe espaeth can chime in), that depending on the pre version in the cmts (at least for cisco-based ubr boxen) there are a few caveats in flow-based accouting. i believe the newest pre4 supports it as it should, but i'm not sure about earlier versions. additionally, as you start getting into the distributed forwarding architectures of the newest high speed sw/routing platforms, line card revisions, part numbers, software versions, and the phase of the moon all play a part into "full feature" compatibility. not having played enough with the new ubr-10000 series to be fully familiar with all of the idiosyncracies, but much like the venerable cat6500/c7600 chassis have all kinds of little details that can bite if done wrong, it is my understanding that the early ubr10k had much the same issue.
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join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:5 Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Huh? Is it still "monitoring" if I record the data but never look at it? Netflow for billing doesn't necessarily have to keep up with each individual flow record -- and likely doesn't as it's a lot of data. (A decade ago, it was approaching a GB a day. I'd hate to see what it looks like today.) And I have many better things to do than watch where all the packets are going.
With 95th percentile billing, the number needs to be hyper-accurate. Small changes in that number can make for large changes in the number after the dollar sign. (which is why I hate that kind of volatile billing.)
Also, I wouldn't necessarily do netflow on each CMTS. That'd be a lot of flow data from all over the place. The best place to do collect is at the edge of the network. Those are the bits that cost an ISP money. One cablemodem talking to another or a connected customer doesn't leave the ISP's network and therefore doesn't need to be counted. (Like dialup ISP's not counting traffic to their own management systems.) | |
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| | tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ | said by andryross :
They have many different models and manufacturers to deal with.
i'd suspect that in newly acquired areas (depending on the financial backing of the company that they bought out) this may be true, especially if the service was quite anemic before the buyout.
however, once you hit the "isp docsis gear" level, there aren't a great number of different manufacturers. additionally, if you're spending several hundred thousand bucks a pop on a cmts, the manufacturer is going to give you access to the snmp mibs to extract data or a nice snmpwalk would handle it with generic data export sets.
depending on the logical layout/size of the footprint that they are adding a meter to, there could be gradual plant changes and additions of servers to handle the mass of snmp data from the cmts polling process, but that is mostly inconsequential.
i'd assume, much like espaeth , that there is a phased deployment to handle customer service. additionally, you rarely throw something out in one fall swoop if you can avoid it. its easier to move one or two sites at a time, set up a cookie cutter template for the planning and implementation, then do a phased rollout based on prepardness/pre-completed criteria matching the phased move.
there is a good way and a bad way to do things. i can't fault comcast for a phased rollout when its the access to the meter is largely inconsequential for the lions share of comcast subscribers.
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| | | said by ninjakamster :
Call me naive and uninformed, but I just cannot see how their usage meter isn't available to all customers immediately. This is true especially if the meter is shown on their website which everyone can access across the United States!
I find it unacceptable that they have their monthly usage cap, but not even extend their own meter to all of their customers yet.
I must be missing something here that everyone else is getting.
I don't know for sure... but I imagine that there is some sort of hardware/software necessary to monitor the traffic and tally it. A company as large as Comcast doesn't roll out hardware/software across their entire network overnight. I would further surmise since Comcast has acquired numerous disparate companies in the past, some areas may have unique requirements through which Comcast has to work in order to roll out the meters.
But, thats all speculation on my part. | |
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join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL | Add IL It's also here in the Chicago area. | |
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| | Finally! It's in Utah and I love it. It's very simple to use and understand, and I finally have a tool to gauge my usage. No more guessing for me. | |
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 GooberPremium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:4
1 edit | Where? How do you get to the darn thing?
Edit: I don't think I have it yet. So, it's not yet everywhere in the Chicago area. | |
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| | | Re: Where? Folks from Chicago and the NW burbs have reported having it (even without receiving the email). The western burbs will probably get it soon.
To see where it is once you log in, check mig288's report in another thread: »Re: Data Usage Meter Launched | |
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| Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | said by Goober:How do you get to the darn thing? Edit: I don't think I have it yet. So, it's not yet everywhere in the Chicago area. Link to see your bandwidth usage on Comcast Internet
»customer.comcast.com/Secure/Users.aspx
You must login with the PRIMARY account emailname you use to see your account info.
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| | GooberPremium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:4 | Re: Where? Thanks. That's where I was looking, but unfortunately no meter (yet). I'll be way under the cap, but I'm really curious to see exactly how much I use. | |
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| | | I have it. I've learned just how little bandwidth I use :-P | |
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| | just wanted to say 5 megabit unlimited wooooooot | |
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| Re: just wanted to say Wow, so you loved the service 2 days ago, but now it's complete shit and we're all stupid for being with them... You're such a hypocrite. | |
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·Optimum Online
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| invent a problem then create a solution to fix it problem: subscribers use too much bandwidth on unlimited broadband tiers
solution: cap service (in lieu of billing by the byte) at 250gb per month. this kills two problems with one stone... puts subcribers on notice that they have a "limit" unlimited plans, are not guaranteed speed and/or qos and in addition limit the amount of video data consumers can "consume" to protect our walled garden cable-tv service which we'll keep hiking the price to anyhow, because we can.
in addition; verizon fios stopped expanding their footprint and are contracting it based on 90-100% overlay projections to fit a budget that diverts funds to LTE deployments, however Verizon doesn't own enough wireless licenses to provide the kind of 1:1 bandwidth FTTP can deliver so expect it to cost much more.
expecting a miracle from AT&T? don't hold your breath. Qwest, hahaha, muni? really.. in this economy.. nope! small business telecom? 1 in 1 million shot...
the fact that Comcast CAN implement a soft/hard (matter of opinion on who they screw over & throw off their network first) data cap & limit on how much bandwidth you can consume each month is a testament to its FAKE duopoly status. they ARE a MONOPOLY when they can implement such a plan. the other carrier is a lame (DEAD?) duck who couldn't run/upgrade a next generation network if they had fiber sparks shooting out their ass! | |
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| | | Re: invent a problem then create a solution to fix it Yeah, the only two broadband providers in my area are Comcast and ATT DSL/U-Verse. At least ATT in my area has no cap....yet, but Comcast is offering faster speeds, at least when DOCSIS 3.0 comes to Houston eventually. | |
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join:2003-12-10
Colonia, NJ | wildly inaccurate So far what I've seen has been wildly inaccurate. It listed
96GB for Feb and I know I did over 200GB. Course I ain't
complaining. | |
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|  Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
kudos:1
·Comcast
| Re: wildly inaccurate From what I've seen the usage meter is reporting about 2/3 of the actual usage. Not a bad thing, unless the people sending the letters use the actual usage and not the reported usage.
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| My usage (Pittsburgh Area) Mine:
Dec 09: 20GB
Jan 10: 30GB
Feb 10: 32GB
I thought with the amount that I play MMOs, XBox Live and stream TV shows it would be much more...
Good for me I guess 
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| shades
join:2001-06-26
Williamstown, NJ | Re: My usage (Pittsburgh Area) the meter is way way off | |
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| | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: My usage (Pittsburgh Area) said by shades:the meter is way way off Not really. People just tend to massively overestimate their usage. | |
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| | Thanks Comcast For wasting time with this usage meter when some of us still do not have DOCSIS 3. Of course, Comcast cares more about making sure subscribers don't use what they pay for than they do about upgrading us.
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| MRCUR
join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA | Re: Thanks Comcast Wait wait wait, you're ALREADY complaining about not having D3? Do you even realize how amazingly far ahead of every other cable provider in the US Comcast is in terms of D3 deployment? | |
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join:2005-07-07
In Limbo
·Comcast
| Usage meters and puny caps FTW! Hurray for Comcast! Their usage meter is the best HSI feature evar! Capcast is gonna pop a cap in yo ass if you go over!
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| Birolo
join:2005-04-24
Woodstock, GA | Re: Usage meters and puny caps FTW! Nothing here yet. Maybe it is unlimited  | |
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| | | | Re: Usage meters and puny caps FTW! nothing in 30188, yet.... | |
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| | |  Augustus IIIIf Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA | Re: Usage meters and puny caps FTW! marietta, woodstock and the old adelphia (canton etc) don't have it | |
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| | BorednessThe LurkerPremium
join:2005-07-07
In Limbo Reviews:
·Comcast
1 edit | All I know is Capcast they are and Xfinity they are not. They should get with this decade and raise the cap to at least 500GB. Remember that 250GB cap goes towards both the up and down side so that's really 125GB per month each way. It seems that much smaller now doesn't it?
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join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: Usage meters and puny caps FTW! Except that for most users they use far more downstream than upstream. Since this counts for the total it isn't a major issue as the only high intensity uses encountered by common home users for upstream connections (when not running a server) are: backups, torrents and VPN connections to your work network. | |
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| | Bandwidth addict I complained to my Comcast contact about a year ago that the usage metering wasn't working...I can see they have fixed it now...FINALLY.
Dec: 445GB
Jan: 778GB
Feb: 747GB
Whoops.
Got "the call" in Feb from Comcast...I promised to do better.
Mar: 444GB (so far)
I'm trying to ween my bandwidth addiction but it's HAAARD.
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| | | Re: Bandwidth addict  Holy crap! What are you transferring? | |
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| | | said by NetWatchMan:Got "the call" in Feb from Comcast...I promised to do better. Mar: 444GB (so far) I'm trying to ween my bandwidth addiction but it's HAAARD. That will teach you to watch what you wish for, Lawrence.
Still no usage meter for me in central Palm Beach County. FTW. | |
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OwlSaverOwlSaverPremium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA | This is one more reason to not switch back to Comcast I previously had Comcast and now have Verizon FiOS. There is no way I would switch from a cap free service to a capped service. Even if I don't go over, the risk that I might is enough to keep me away. For now, I am sticking with FiOS. | |
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| | haha Shit ... 800GB transferred so far, LOL | |
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| | 250GB is a joke I ditched cable TV after the promotion period and download and stream all my movies and games
Jan 331GB
Feb 326GB
March 216GB month is not ever yet
No call yet. 250GB is what comcast will let you use. However, if you go over 250GB but stay below the 1% of nations top downloaders you still should be ok. | |
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| | MI? why is Michigan always left out of everything? No upgraded speeds in years, no meter, no nota. | |
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| shooks20
join:2009-01-29
West Bloomfield, MI | Re: MI? said by lkviewguy:why is Michigan always left out of everything? No upgraded speeds in years, no meter, no nota. Seriously, this is annoying. We get nothing. | |
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| |  BachI get Bached down but I get up againPremium
join:2002-02-16
Flint, MI | Re: MI? Just got an email from Comcast late last night (4/1) that the usage meter is available for Michigan.
Also includes instructions on where to go to get the usage counters.
Tested, works. | |
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| | ha 350 GB jan, 200 GB feb, 260 GB so far for march. I've made an effort to curb my downloading over the last few months also.
guess I will just have to either flash a 3.0 modem or get a commercial account if i don't want to get hit with the ban hammer.
When i signed up for service 2 1/2 years ago I was under the impression that i was allowed to use the bandwidth that I was given. why in the hell did they sell me a 30 mbs downlink if their system can't handle it.
any way fuck them. I wonder how much of a strain a 3.0 in 8 channel mode will be on their system when i leave 20 torrents on full throttle 24/7 a couple hundred GB's will be laughable in comparison. | |
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