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Comcast VP: We've Admitted Nothing
Fight with FCC over traffic shaping continues...
by Karl Bode 10:01AM Tuesday Apr 01 2008 Tipped by robertfl See Profile
Comcast isn't too happy that FCC boss Kevin Martin didn't shower the cable company with kisses last week when they announced (via carefully worded press release) they'd be adopting "protocol agnostic" traffic shaping methods by the end of the year. The FCC boss last week issued a statement saying that now that Comcast has admitted error, the FCC wants a more firm commitment to when they'll stop "blocking" BitTorrent traffic. Said Martin:
quote:
"I am pleased that Comcast has reversed course and agreed that it is not a reasonable network management practice to arbitrarily block certain applications on its network. I also commend the company for admitting publicly that it was engaging in the practice and now engaging in a dialog with BitTorrent."
But Comcast is saying they've admitted nothing, Comcast VP David Cohen writing in a letter that "Comcast has not now ‘admitted’ anything about Comcast’s network management practices that we previously denied." We noted yesterday that tests show the provider continues to forge TCP packets to block/derail/prevent 63% of BitTorrent connections for all users. Comcast's game of semantic patty cake will also apparently be continuing.

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comcastisgreat

@k12.il.us

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Truth is only a person's perception of reality

In Comcast's mind, only their perception can be truth. Their perception of reality however varies from most of our perceptions and thus we are in disagreement.

Comcast's motto:

“To begin with, our perception of the world is deformed, incomplete. Then our memory is selective. Finally, writing transforms.”

DrModem
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Re: Truth is only a person's perception of reality

lolwut
jc10098

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Re: Truth is only a person's perception of reality

They must have one of Bush's people working there. Spin Doctors are what they are called. Do one thing, and flip it around. Sort of like the 99 reasons we invaded Iraq. Comcast's new slogan will be Stay the Course. Even though we're wrong, we'll try every way to pretend we weren't. Albeit, we try to sell our customers on how we're now consumer friendly, while still continuing to do said practice. WTG Comcast, does that jar of vasoline come with or without a contract?

Idiot finder

@verizon.net

Re: Truth is only a person's perception of reality

said by jc10098:

They must have one of Bush's people working there. Spin Doctors are what they are called. Do one thing, and flip it around. Sort of like the 99 reasons we invaded Iraq. Comcast's new slogan will be Stay the Course. Even though we're wrong, we'll try every way to pretend we weren't. Albeit, we try to sell our customers on how we're now consumer friendly, while still continuing to do said practice. WTG Comcast, does that jar of vasoline come with or without a contract?
What an Idiotioc comparison, how many have lost their lives over a forged packet.
jc10098

join:2002-04-10

Re: Truth is only a person's perception of reality

I'm not comparing the war itself as a whole but the rationale. The rationale is the same here than Iraq. Sell the customers or the people on one thing, while continue with the same bad behavior.

aSic
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said by Idiot finder :

What an Idiotioc comparison, how many have lost their lives over a forged packet.
I had some big guy from jersey show up at my home the other day. Said I sent him a forged packet instead of packet 684943 of Debbie Does Dallas 3.avi which killed his download.

I almost lost my life that day.... because of a forged packet.
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jc10098

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Re: Truth is only a person's perception of reality

Well if you want to get down to the truth of it, some institutions actually use p2p like products to share data among their branches. If Comcast does this on more than a customer basis, then yes, people could be affected. As with packet sniffing / forged packets, you don't know what gets blocked. This software is less than perfect so legitimate traffic could be interfered with. I doubt it's claiming lives but it opens them up to a lot of legal problem as Comcast is realizing now. Not to mention, say a hospital or medical institution were to use such a system in order to share records privately. Would you want their packets forged and interrupted?
jbowman

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That's too funny. The dam "Packet Mafia" is world wide!
Expand your moderator at work

KrK
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said by comcastisgreat :

Comcast's motto:

“To begin with, our perception of the world is deformed, incomplete. Then our memory is selective. Finally, writing transforms.”
Hmmm I'd think it's more like this:

Comcast's motto:

"Our perception is one of complete truth. We understand everyone else's perceptions are deeply flawed, but we are absolute and resolute in our knowledge that we are right. They cannot help their false perceptions of us, it is their flawed nature; We will re-educate them, and bend them to our will, by all means necessary. The greater good of the Empire requires their realignment and unquestioning loyalty. They will comply, or be destroyed. We are the greater glory. We exist to better all mankind. Prepare to be assimilated."


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moonpuppy

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Glen Burnie, MD

They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar...

.....just admit already.

The proof is out their and they act like a child.
alalper
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Re: They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar...

said by moonpuppy:

.....just admit already.

The proof is out their and they act like a child.
It wasn't me, mommy.

SGT Hans Schultz

@verizon.net

Deny, deny, deny is their moto.

"I know nothing, I see nothing, and I say nothing!" "Is that packet forging?"

ptrowski
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Too funny...

After their little PR stunt with Bittorrent some called them "forward thinking" etc.

Their letter to the FCC now shows just how "forward thinking" they truly are. They blatantly lied about hindering P2P applications and were caught red handed. To not be able to admit fault is amazing. Hell even my 5 year old can admit fault and say "sorry".

Pathetic.
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Re: Too funny...

Recapping...

They targeted BitTorrent, making their customer's experience using the connections they paid for to download all those movies and songs they say you can get more Comcastic! than usual.

Then they lied about forging RST packets, denying they were doing it.

Then they admitted they were forging RST packets.

Then they issued a press release saying they will stop targeting BitTorrent exclusively (aka, they will be "protocol agnostic")

Now they are denying they admitted the forgery, or even denied anything, and in his best Nathan Therm, Cohen says "Comcast has not now ‘admitted’ anything about Comcast’s network management practices that we previously denied."

Is there something in the Philly water? Or was he "Enlightened" by the legal department...
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Meh37

@verizon.net

Re: Too funny...

Well said (though I doubt that a legal department has ever actually enlightened anyone, only obfuscated--which is, I know, exactly what you meant ).

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Pinko Socialist!

said by RadioDoc:

Recapping...

They targeted BitTorrent,...
Then they lied about forging RST packets,...
Then they admitted they were forging RST packets....
Then they issued a press release saying they will stop targeting BitTorrent exclusively...

Now they are denying they admitted the forgery...
HEY! You can't do that. How can we justify Comcast's deceptive, anti-customer practices, if you keep restating the facts in a clear, undeniable manner?

You uncapitalistic, luddite pig, you.

NV
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RadioDoc
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Re: Pinko Socialist!

Off to the re-education camp with me!
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KrK
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Re: Pinko Socialist!

said by RadioDoc:

Off to the re-education camp with me!
Nadia! This Tea is EXCELLENT!

RadioDoc
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Re: Pinko Socialist!

You bastard pig! You shall never touch me with your filthy hands again!
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nasadude

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pretty dumb

comcast should just keep their mouth shut - the FCC isn't going to do anything about comcast interfering with BT protocol or anything else.

Martin is just talking up the game for congress and the public.
systems2000
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Comcast Must Die!

Glad I dumped Comcast last year and don't ever see us going back. I tried to show how Comcast monopolizes where ever they supply their product as a single entity and have been consolidating their stranglehold for the last six or seven years.

This guy did a better job. »www.ComcastMustDie.com/
cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

I've got an idea...

Let's take the lead of EU of pressing insane fines everyday for non-compliance and sue when they refuse to pay up. Seems like it is working just fine for them, why not try it here?

It may just be me, but are cable internet opperators more willy to mess (caps, anti-bittorrent actions, etc.) with their customer's connection compared to DSL internet operators?

Doctor Four
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Re: I've got an idea...

said by cornelius785:

It may just be me, but are cable internet opperators more willy to mess (caps, anti-bittorrent actions, etc.) with their customer's connection compared to DSL internet operators?
For the most part that appears to be true, with one
major exception: Bell Canada (Sympatico). And in the
States, AT&T has talked about implementing piracy filters,
but hasn't acted on that yet.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)

TechieZero
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I Am Not Following This...

Is Comcast breaking a SLA or an agreement by doing these things?
deadzoned
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Cypress, TX

Dumb

It seems pretty dumb and short-sighted of Comcast to basically call out Martin and the FCC on this. Don't they remember that Martin pretty much despises all things Cable?

The cable Co's haven't gotten any breaks from Martin since he's been the FCC head, what do they think is going to happen if they pick a fight? Dumb move on the part of Comcast as they have basically just sealed their fate concerning future traffic-shaping possibilities. It will more than likely be shut down completely now. (Not that that would be a bad thing!)

djdanska
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One lost customer..

Well, because of this mess i am not a comcast customer. When i moved into my new place, i had a choice. Comcast or rcn. (I thought comcast wasn't available at first but was corrected). I picked rcn. I can use bittorrent without a problem. (I don't use bittorrents that often but when i do, i like to be able to use them without a problem.)

So, rcn should be very grateful that i picked them over a major cable provider. Rcn may not be the largest provider but it has been working out very well now. It's just a shame that most people don't have an option on which cable provider they can go with. I'm one of the lucky ones.
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espaeth
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Re: One lost customer..

It's funny you should say that, because RCN has a very similar P2P traffic management solution to Comcast.

BT traffic is not throttled on the inbound. However, you will see issues in seeding, we do manage outbound p2p off our network. You are fully able to seed to your hearts content on-net, but there are policies in place to manage outbound P2P.
»Re: RCN or Comcast?

djdanska
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Re: One lost customer..

said by espaeth:

It's funny you should say that, because RCN has a very similar P2P traffic management solution to Comcast.

BT traffic is not throttled on the inbound. However, you will see issues in seeding, we do manage outbound p2p off our network. You are fully able to seed to your hearts content on-net, but there are policies in place to manage outbound P2P.
»Re: RCN or Comcast?
The strange part is i have a 20/2 line. I can seed upto my upload cap without a problem. I don't keep it that way, but i can. My upload cap is set at 2200kbps. So, i guess so far it's been ok for me.

Can that change? Sure, but for now i am happy.

RadioDoc
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The difference? They're not as draconian about it (or you'd see dozens of posts complaining) and they admit it, upfront. Comcast, on the other hand, lies and then lies about the lies.
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caco
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Re: One lost customer..

said by RadioDoc:

The difference? They're not as draconian about it (or you'd see dozens of posts complaining) and they admit it, upfront. Comcast, on the other hand, lies and then lies about the lies.
RCN only has 2 customers! Of course they are not complaining.
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djdanska
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Re: One lost customer..

said by caco:

said by RadioDoc:

The difference? They're not as draconian about it (or you'd see dozens of posts complaining) and they admit it, upfront. Comcast, on the other hand, lies and then lies about the lies.
RCN only has 2 customers!. Of course they are not complaining.
There is an upside to that! I won't ever have to worry about my node being overloaded! hehe.. I love getting my full 20 meg all the time. Better than comcast's 16 meg service. (which wasn't even an option when i ordered my internet.)

Phylop
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Graaaaaaaggghhhh!!!

Comcast is being so frustratingly silly I just want to throw rocks through all the windows in their parking lot!