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Forced to offer $90 bundle in fiber-fed region
(old news - 06:34PM Wednesday Apr 19 2006)
tags: Fiber · competition · cable
Utopia is one of the nation's largest wholesale muni-fiber deployments - via which users can get 8-15Mbps symmetrical fiber for $35-$45 dollars through AT&T or providers like MStar. The project has put Comcast in the unfamiliar position of having to truly compete, resulting in rare price reductions. According to this local ad, Comcast is now offering broadband, digital cable, and VoIP service for $90 a month in all of Utopia's footprint.

Competition seems to kill the forced bundling and $55 unbundled VoIP canary: each service alone can be had for $29.95 for one-year, but only if you live in Utopia's service region - other Utah cities (like Salt Lake, who pulled out of the project) are out of luck. The price-tag is even less than the $99 bundle deal Comcast is has been offering in regions where Fios or other competition is springing up (like Richmond, Virginia).

"If only 20% (or roughly 4,000) of the households in Orem took advantage of this offer from Comcast, then Orem's membership in UTOPIA will save its residents 4,000 x $780/year; or $3,120,000 in a single year," says project planner Joel Wright. "Comcast has repeatedly been invited to become a service provider on the UTOPIA and iProvo networks, and the invitation remains open," he says.

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Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
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I bet they still have 20%+ margins

buahahahahahahhahahaha..

laugh.. oh.. ehhmm.. sorry.

en102
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Re: I bet they still have 20%+ margins

I only wish there was some competition here in So. Cal. (come on AT&T - get your fiber rolling). Even if I don't purchase it, competition will at least bring prices down (for a while).

Comcast would rather have customers at a somewhat reduced rate (still profitable, otherwise they'd pullout), than no customer at all.
fiberguy
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You know what this will ultimately spur? Term contracts from Comcast or cable in general with early termination penalty fees.

You are already seeing this creep into uncumbant providers. Qwest recently offerend a long distance package that you can use ala cart but it requires a 1 year agreement to get the discounted price.

I think the day of no-contract cable is coming to an end.

dvd536
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Re: I bet they still have 20%+ margins

said by fiberguy See Profile :

I think the day of no-contract cable is coming to an end.
Theres GOLD in them thar early termination fees.
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Comcast offering this deal for last 8 months in Utah

At least Comcast is consistent. They have been offering the same deal since at least Aug 2005:
»Comcast Vs. Utopia
"The standard price in Utah for Comcast’s internet service is $45.95 a month. Remarkably, the price for this same service in Midvale and Murray has been dropped to $29.95 with a one-year contract

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Re: Comcast offering this deal for last 8 months in Utah

Only Midvale and Murray back then, now the entire Utopia footprint.
caimakale

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Riverton, UT

Re: Comcast offering this deal for last 8 months in Utah

I might have to call and check to see if it is the entire footprint area. I am in Riverton, but the build probably won't start for a couple more years. That would be great to get a decent discount now.
jjcrandall

join:2004-01-01
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Comcast offering this deal for last 8 months in Utah

Riverton is not a pledge member at the moment, which I believe there is a law saying no other cities can join untill end of 2007 or something like that. Either way, riverton is one of the last cities to actually get Utopia.

diehardspeed
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When I Dumped Comcast!

When I dumped Comcast and switched to Utopia when they asked for the reason I was leaving...

I said, "Because you refused to give me discounts before Utopia was available in my area. I did give you your chance to keep me as a customer NOW then."



Felt good about saying it too! That Cable/Internet bill really got on my nerves with how much they charged!

Comcast - $120/mo
4000/265 - inet
Digital Classic + DVR - (2 TV's total) *required for SCIFI

Utopia (MSTARMetro.net) - $85/mo
15000/15000 - inet
Digital Select - 2 TV's

Even if Comcast boosted the inet up to 8000/768 with the Digital Classic package for $90+/mo. It's still not as good a deal as you can get with MSTARMetro and Utopia!

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April 19th, @05:01PM

Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

$45/month savings is a lot... and you're supporting your local community. Comcast is supporting investors.

Lets see - here in Los Angeles.
Unbundled services:
Local + LD (AT&T): ~$48 /month
DirecTv Plus: $55/month (3 tuners)
Internet Dsl Extreme: $32.19/month
Total Including taxes: $135.19

Comcast:
Vonage ($25 + taxes)
Digital Classic Plus: $59.95 /month (1 tuner) + taxes / fees
Comcast HSI: $42.95 / month + $3/month rental + taxes / fees
Total NOT including taxes: $127.90/month
Installation charges: TV: $29.99, HSI $9.95
And that's using Vonage for VoIP, as Comcr@p doesn't have it here yet.
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April 19th, @11:31PM

Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

said by en102 See Profile :

$45/month savings is a lot... and you're supporting your local community. Comcast is supporting investors.
Care to elaborate on that statement? If you are going to make such a statement, you should really do your homework.

Comcast is one of the largest charitable providers in the communities they server over almost all other corporations in their areas.

Comcast supports their local communities directly both finacially and by employee contributions. When you purchase comcast cable, you are in fact supporting your community.

So don't come off with that comcast doesn't support it's community B.S.

Now, tell me how you are supporting your community by using UTOPIA?

G_Poobah

join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY

Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

Ha.. haha.. hahahaha.. hahahahahahaha...

"Among our Big Four, Comcast Corp. is the most generous, giving more than 4 percent of its operating profit, mostly in free ad time for public-service announcements. Take Comcast's $66 million in free ads, Moore said. "It's not uncommon for cable and broadcasting companies to give $100 million in PSA's [public-service ads]," she said. "I'm surprised Comcast doesn't give more, frankly."

Hahahahaha.. FREE AD Time? That's not charity, thats unsold ads that they write off. Comcast comes up with their own value for the unused ad time (the highest legally allowed), and then uses it for local notices that don't even ask for it. I ran into that exact situation at the local cable board meeting, and it was quite fun to watch the comcast shill squirm in the seat. He finally admitted that they seldom, if ever, donate anything OTHER THAN free ad time. When questioned even more, he admitted that the free ads are only run when the spot has not been sold. (i.e. 3:00 AM on channel 2). Comcast contributed jack squat to our community.

"Most companies give about two-thirds of their charitable contributions in the form of cash grants, said Giving USA, a foundation that does research and educates the public about philanthropy. Comcast gives less than 5% in the form of cash grants."
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

There may be exceptions to the rules.. But, in the systems I am familiar with, comcast gives actual cash grants to actual charities.

Additionally, in the systems I've worked in, they were one of the largest donaters to toys for tots, as well as the food banks throug the collection of new toys and canned food, in lue of installation fees.

I can personally vouch for 7 semi loads of food we donated on year and the same in toys for tots... That's just an example of some of the things they do.

The ad time? Won't really touch that.. if you ask me, the amount of good those free ads and PSA do is minimal. I call those breaks bathroom time and run to the kitchen time.. OR, flip to another channel.. that is if I am not too busy fast forwarding through the comercials anyway since I DVR most of my television.

If you ask me, that ad and PSA time bs is just that.. BS anyway.
shoan

join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR

Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

you said that the donations were collected which means people in the community paid for the items or employees brought the items in. So I can not consider that a donation at all. Yes you say in lue of install fees but that goes into the catagory of PSA's being donated. Granted it is a worthy cause and I like that they waived install fees. But when I was cable I don't remember the fees for install being anything in the first place. Large corporations tend to have to give of a certain amount of money or assets to charites to reduce the taxes that they pay which in effect raises the profits that are retained. So that kinda goes against being charitable. It is mearly diverting tax money to another source to maximize the bottom line.
Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

It's not to raise profit.. It's to raise cash flow. Usually they do this by using an accelerated method of depreciation for tax purposes, and then the slowest depreciation allowed by FASB for their SEC reporting. I'm sure media companies LOVE that they can "donate" all their unused ad time for tax writeoffs at peak rates.

If only we could "donate" grass clippings, and raw sewage to charity. No-one would have to pay taxes.
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said by shoan See Profile :

you said that the donations were collected which means people in the community paid for the items or employees brought the items in. So I can not consider that a donation at all.
Uh, what planet do you live on? Organizations that organize collections or charitable contributions, be it their own employees that participate, are still able to say they gave as a whole because it was them that did the drive. So, yes. I guess you are one that says that companies that support the United Way don't really do anything either, right? even though they lock you in a room and let the UW ambush their employees for money...

Yes you say in lue of install fees but that goes into the catagory of PSA's being donated. Granted it is a worthy cause and I like that they waived install fees. But when I was cable I don't remember the fees for install being anything in the first place.
This isn't about you dude. The example that I am talking about very much was a giving up of the $42.00 install fee. I do not say that giving up the install is the same as the PSA situation. That drive took the money out of the company bank account for an entire 30 days for each and every installation. Add that up for evey customer installed, serviced by a tech, or change of service and that money adds up. The company did not have the benefit of the cash in their account giving it up for a toy to give to the marines, or the food to the food bank.

How can you say it's the same as a PSA? That's rediculous. Drives are done to insite community spirit! The company could right out a check donation and write it off just as easily as collecting toys or food. When you ask people to open up for charity, many will tend to do good in other places as well.

I am glad you aren't running any charitable orgs becaues you don't understand how it works.

You remind me of that cartoon charactor on Hanna Barbara.. you know the one "We'll never make it!" or "It'll never worrrrrk"..

Large corporations tend to have to give of a certain amount of money or assets to charites to reduce the taxes that they pay which in effect raises the profits that are retained. So that kinda goes against being charitable. It is mearly diverting tax money to another source to maximize the bottom line.
Diverting tax money to another source.... ? Do you have any understanding how and why there is a tax write off for charitable donations in the first place? or are you just blowing smoke because of some other reason?

The government encourages people to donate and give chaitable contributions in their own way or in their own communities because it's beleived that people can do a better job than the government when it comes directing charitable contributions. In lue of giving money to chairty, you can write off a PORTION of that donation on your taxes. THe more people that give to causes, the theory is the less that government should have to. SO yea, it really is a diversaion - but it's supposed to be.

The only thing I can say about your post is this - you don't see any corporate involvement in charity as anything other than a "something in it for them"... you know, people that head or run businesses also do have the desire to be charitable too.

I own a business and I give large donations each year in both cash and my time. I guess I am ingenuine. Don't get me started dude.. I've been VERY much a charitable person all my life and always will be. I give ALOT of my time and money each and every year. I can almost bet that you don't lift a finger at-all based on your nay-say attitude here because a true chartiable person recognizes charity when they see it... you don't. Any help, that is not connected to corruption, is charity. I hardly consider anything that was mentioned above as being corrupt.
shoan

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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

All I am saying is that if they are wanting to be charitble then give from the final bottom line not sacrifice taking in profits to say they donated. Do as you say you have done given your own personal money. When I do donate I donate directly not through any middle person, since all it does is dilute what was given. I aplaude you for giving of your own time and money but that is the key there you gave your OWN money. If comcast at the end of fiscal year stepped up and said we made 10 bil and we are giving 50 mil in charity and left it at that then fine no problems here but don't do it to have a tax write off in fact turn down the tax write off. Charity is something you do to help someone else and it taints it when you give so that you have this other side benifit the only thing you should take away from charity is the feeling of having done somethign good for others not hey look atmy tax write off.

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I vote fiberguy is a Comcast Astroturfer!

All in favor, reply!
wev567

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How is contributions from their employees considered giving from Comcast?

kamm

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said by fiberguy See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :

$45/month savings is a lot... and you're supporting your local community. Comcast is supporting investors.
Care to elaborate on that statement? If you are going to make such a statement, you should really do your homework.

Comcast is one of the largest charitable providers in the communities they server over almost all other corporations in their areas.

Comcast supports their local communities directly both finacially and by employee contributions. When you purchase comcast cable, you are in fact supporting your community.

So don't come off with that comcast doesn't support it's community B.S.

Now, tell me how you are supporting your community by using UTOPIA?
WHat a truckload of crap... employee contribution counted as Comcast contribution etc

Loook, since we know you work for cable company, you viciously spread their marketing crap at every single opportunity, why don't you just change your nick to "cableguy"?
I mean we know all these things anyway but it'd be far more straightforward...
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

said by fiberguy See Profile :

F*CK off Kamm!
So I guess the united way, red cross, any church that asks it's members of congregation to donate, well, those groups shouldn't get credit either, right?
Are you comparing Comcast to the Red Cross?
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

Read the post again, because I know what you are trying to do here and it won't work.

Red Cross asks their employees to give.
The United way asks their employees give.
Churches ask their congreagation to give.
Employers IN GENERAL and not just Comcast, asks their employees to give.

What's in common here? They all ask their own employees and members to give and the organization claims credit for it.

The redcross asks the general people to give. It's complete fund raising. A company that gives up a service fee in lue of a charitable donation is fund raising. Do you not understand why a corporation gives a donation to another group that is raising money? Let's say there is a local group putting on an event and gets $10,000 from target. Do you think that $10K goes right to the event's recipients? Not all directly. That donation from target would go to the general fund for that event and it can be used to pay for expenses to put on the event so that it can also raise money. If they don't use it all, which many try not to use as much corporate donations as possible, then it is a direct benefit when possible as well.

If you can't read and pay attention to my entire post, don't bother with your little snippet trying to make me look like the bad guy here.

If ANYONE here has a problem with a corporation giving direct chartable aid, goods, or money to any charitable organization, and considers it a scam, a way of getting out of taxes, conspiracy, or what ever, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I have given up much personal time and cash out of pocket since I was 18 years of age to charity every year. It sickens me to listen to you guys sit back and bash any entity that provides charitable donations to those in needs.

I'd suggest you put up or shut up about what you don't know about.
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

Ok... but what about the fact that the red cross is a charitable organization... and comcast is a cable company?

do some reading...

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast

If you still think you can compare a FOR PROFIT CABLE COMPANY with the RED CROSS.. then i have nothing further to say
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

You have nothing further to say.

I don't need your wiki links and I don't need your lesson. YOU, however, need to learn to read and understand and stop being so quick to look for something wrong in my post. Why the heck are you so damn focused on what the organization is? My post focuses on the charitbale act of giving.

I don't like talking to those people with closed minds. So yea.. you have nothing further to say. You need a hobby.
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Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

well let me get it straight...

your position is that any organization that gives any kind of charity is equal?

why use such a silly comparison? your logic is flawed...

you state that charity comes from the people... not the organization which is true. However, you are fundamentally stating that human charity is the result of humans giving.
I would argue that it is not the organization that incites peoples need to give, rather it is an element of the human spirit.

If the tax advantages for profit companies disappeared, do you honestly believe they would still do it? I know for a fact the red cross will still be giving to people whether or not the American government decides to give a tax break.

My argument is that to compare an organization who's sole function is charity to a cable company is silly.
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April 22nd, @06:04PM

Re: When I Dumped Comcast!

Your argument was to pick out one point and focus on it inestead of the whole message. Sorry, I don't play that way.. That's how politicians and talking point machiens like to work.. not me.

Do I agree if the tax break was gone that companies would still do it? ABSOLUTELY! Many would! It's good P.R. as well... and good P.R. is more than just advertising.. it shows to those that spend money with that company that they do care about the communities they service. I think you are putting WAY TOO MUCH conspiracy behind the spirit of giving. And, in the end, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE WAS A TAX DEDUCTION OUT OF IT! THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO WORK THIS WAY! THEY WANT PEOPLE TO GIVE IN THEIR OWN WAY SO THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL! Geez! Really.. I am beginning to think that if you were in need and you got a hand out offered to help you, you'd do your back ground to see how the money got to you.

Charity is charity.. when you get over this whole tax break issue that you have, you might see more clearly. Your government and system is not the same as ours most likely... either that, or you just don't get it and place high demands on the money you get.

Tell you this.. let's take St. Judes hopistal as a complete example.. and if you have any points about St. Jude, PICK ANOTHER.. IT DOENS"T MATTER AND I WON'T DISCUSS ST. JUDE ISSUES... the issue is, do you REALLY THINK that St. Jude would care why the donating company made that 100K donation? Think they REALLY care? I think they would be greatfull to get thet 100K to help several kids in need.. or to be able to keep their doors open longer to serve more. Even Toys For Tots and the food banks are the same way. I think the marines are happy to know that children have a gift to open on Christmas to know they can grow up as a child WITH a childhood (no matter how plastic the holiday has become). And the food banks.. think they really care about the intent of the corporation that gave them food to feed needy families?

I am REALLY guessing that you have never done anything charitable as is WORKED in a charity organization. You don't CARE where the donations come from or if that money was tax deductable as long as it wasn't corrupted money. THEY KNOW about tax breaks because they issue the receipts and forms so the doner CAN get the tax break! Geez!

Your whole point is that if someone gave and got a tax break that it's not really charity. Got a news flash for you.. (being you are joining in a topic based on U.S. ways) you do know that charitable contributions (in how we are talking here to a 501(c)3 org) are tax deductable. Right? So I guess any individule giving and taking that tax break fits in your model of being ingenious.. right?

Have a nice day.
JSRoman
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$99.00 is not only for fios areas

Philadelphia currently has the offer available and is set to come to other markets by the end of June/July.
RayW
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BAD UTOPIA!

Forcing a poor private industry to compete with 'government'.

(although I have never been able to figure out why a few people (mega dollar paid corporate heads) can dictate to many (the taxpaying voters). Oh, deeper pockets and less restrictions!)

Now, when will Utopia get to MY neighborhood, I am ready to jump from Qwest!
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Re: BAD UTOPIA!

But they are not competing with the government. Utopia only provides the infrastructure for others to compete. Problem is, Comcast lost it's last mile Duopoly.

Let the MUNIs provide the infrastructure - it has worked for roads, gas lines, electricity in some places - why should broadband / media be any different?
Zorglub

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Fremont, CA

Re: BAD UTOPIA!

Exactly, the Bells and the cable companies' grip on the last mile allows them to gouge the customers on the services provided over that last mile. Utopia proves that opening up the broadband pipe to all providers is the only way to get real competition and lower prices.

Wait, that's what has been going on in Japan and other European countries for a while now...
GhostDoggy

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said by TheGhost See Profile :

But they are not competing with the government. Utopia only provides the infrastructure for others to compete. Problem is, Comcast lost it's last mile Duopoly.

Let the MUNIs provide the infrastructure - it has worked for roads, gas lines, electricity in some places - why should broadband / media be any different?
It has not worked in all cases and in some cases they haven't seen upgrades or repairs in decades. Heck, I've seen conditions in which roads were sold by the municipality because they didn't want to take care of a road.

Also, what makes a municipality automatically qualified? What checks and balances are in-place for this? Heck, its difficult enough trying to get a US President into office with a background in economics and we should automatically presume the candidates for any municipality office will be with necessary core knowledge in deploying and managing such a technology?

BTW, my power is not provided to me by the city, nor do they maintain the roads in my planned community.

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Not a rare price reduction

There's nothing rare about this deal. There isn't even much good about this deal.

It is a short term promotional offer lasting 12 months and expiring at the end of the month. It does not include the price of standard analog either, so you can tack $46.60 on to the monthly rate. As well, there is no decrease in regular rates (which means you can lose the promotional rate if you have a late payment disconnect).

(If you go to the online site, Payson actually gets a better deal currently since they get digital cable for $24.95 and HSI for $19.95 bundled.)
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Re: Not a rare price reduction

quick comment: pay your bill on time and you won't have the problem on a nonpay diconnect. If you're having issues paying your bills, then this is probably too much for one anyway.

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Re: Not a rare price reduction

said by fiberguy See Profile :

quick comment: pay your bill on time and you won't have the problem on a nonpay diconnect. If you're having issues paying your bills, then this is probably too much for one anyway.
I should have thrown a "for example" in there. Since the rate is promotional, you would also lose it for an address change, responsible parties change, equipment change, etc.
late payment soft disco (not nonpay disco) is probably the most common way of losing it though.
Plenty of people pay late who can afford the bill.
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Re: Not a rare price reduction

Not to mention Comcast's penchant for "losing" payments which were in fact made on time.
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Re: Not a rare price reduction

that's a big one with me. They are constantly calling me saying..."you didn't pay your bill". then I have to whip out he bank statement and tell them the check number and date when they took money out of my account. Happens almost every month without fail. If you live in Alexandria, VA, then be careful of this.

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April 19th, @04:54PM

This will be the norm...

Predatory pricing is nothing new for Comcast (»'Discounted' Competition) and people laughed that the "AT&T" funded" study story of yesterday, but we see that they're obviously right. Wireline competition will bring down cable prices and force other changes to the cable business (unbundling).

Wish Comcast would offer this everywhere (don't offer it here in SoCal anyway) instead of engaging in predatory pricing but as wireline competitors like Verizon, AT&T and munis deploy, they'll have to offer it everywhere or lose their customers.
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Re: This will be the norm...

said by oliphant See Profile :

Predatory pricing is nothing new for Comcast (»'Discounted' Competition) and people laughed that the "AT&T" funded" study story of yesterday, but we see that they're obviously right. Wireline competition will bring down cable prices and force other changes to the cable business (unbundling).

Wish Comcast would offer this everywhere (don't offer it here in SoCal anyway) instead of engaging in predatory pricing but as wireline competitors like Verizon, AT&T and munis deploy, they'll have to offer it everywhere or lose their customers.
So Comcast bundles because most people in SoCal don't have a choice? Thats terrible. I hope other communities across the nation do what project UTOPIA is doing. We need a choice out here.
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MSauk
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Sandy, UT

Re: This will be the norm...

you can add xmission as a provider offering the internet. Very solid

oliphant
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April 19th, @06:24PM

They started bundling here (in my neighborhood) after they bought ATTB/MediaOne out. When they were AT&T Broadband there were no bundling requirements in our franchise and they let us keep our higher MediaOne upload speeds and they had great usenet servers. After Comcast bought them out those HSI subscribers without CATV saw a 33% price increase and now they won't sell the top HSI tiers to non-CATV subscribers (eg non-CATV subs can't get the 8Mb tier here) and they killed off ATTBi's usenet servers.

Verizon is deploying FIOS in a lot of local neighborhoods where I live out here in the sticks off I15. South Corona and Lake Elsinore are seeing deployments right now so we should have FIOS available late in the year. Given the sorry shape our local Comcast franchise is in with really bad service and the high prices...Comcast will have to act quickly to improve or lose even more customers.

I think FIOS here will get them to clean up their act and I hope they do. Service was awesome under ATTB and I wish Comcast would return to those days otherwise it would just permit Verizon FIOS to suck as well.
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bassthumpa
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Austin, TX
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said by oliphant See Profile :

Predatory pricing is nothing new for Comcast (»'Discounted' Competition) and people laughed that the "AT&T" funded" study story of yesterday, but we see that they're obviously right. Wireline competition will bring down cable prices and force other changes to the cable business (unbundling).
Exactly... and it really shouldn't take any kind of study to convince people, it should be common sense. But who needs common sense when it's so easy to just pile on against the big bad telco, regardless of the issue at hand?
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oliphant
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Corona, CA

Re: This will be the norm...

Telco's have done their share of anti-muni BS; like I think it was Bellsouth that was threatening to fire everyone in a local call center if a local muni fiber plan was approved, but my neighborhood case it's an enemy of my enemy is my friend kinda thing.

If muni's and Verizon get cable to clean up their act where they are delivering bad service and if cable drops their prices, unbundles or gives great bundle deals and improves their service as a result, their new improvements will force the new competitors to keep up their services and keep prices low. When the munis, telcos, DBS and cable companies go to war, consumers win.

I certainly don't hope that our local Comcast is killed by Verizon FIOS. I just want my local Comcast franchise to get back to the great provider with reasonable prices that they used to be.
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Lincoln99
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Pleasant Grove, UT

Save us!

Save us! Nearly all of Comcast's customers are now being forced to subsidize Comcast's customers living in UTOPIA and iProvo cities in Utah at the $90/month rate.

Quick, somebody introduce some legislation to prevent this outrage.

Where are the valiant astroturf warriors when we really need them?
fiberguy
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Re: Save us!

So, the answer to lower the bills on a premium service is to get government involved in private industry?

Since when did cable television, and highspeed internet connections become a right that needs to have the government come into lower prices?

You have every right to not purchase the product. You DO have the right to be delivered the service you are paying for, but in my opinion when it comes to these optional premium home services, the government has no business getting invovled.

You have the right to place an antenna up and receive the networks and you can buy dial up for $9.99 a month.

The day I see people call for government to get involved in every aspect of our lives is the day I invite them to live in any one of many countries where life is already like that.. oh, and they control speach, religion, what you can own, drive, etc. Want that too? Take it all, or none.. but stop acting like a spoiled brat.
jdracer47

join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA

Re: Save us!

You are right, I DO have the right to be delivered the service I am paying for. Then who is protecting me from the POS cable company in this area providing me under 200K service (tested right now) and calling it broadband for $40 a month??? No one is, the Attorney General did nothing and our local Sups hands are tied with the current franchise agreement until 2019!! So much for consumer protection, I would have anything else if Satellite weren't my only other choice. I am a Republican and for free market but there are a lot of ISPs that are exploiting their customers.
fiberguy
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Re: Save us!

So you know:

The AG in your state will not usually act upon issues until a group of people complain about the same issue. Do I smell a campaign coming on soon? When you file a complain with the AG, they do just that, file it. When they get enough, they act. Or, if it's agregious enough, they will act as well.

The local supes and the FA is a valid option: Just because it is valid until 2019 does not mean the FA won't investigate your service complaint issues. If you are not getting anywhere with, I assume Comcast, then you can complain to your FA. The FAs will usually contact the MSO and require them to act and act quick.

When I was with CC in Sacramento, I routinely rolled on FA complaints. I can assure you that our office, at least, acted on them IMMEDIATELY as they came in. I was one of the more advanced and honored techs that when complaints came in, I was pulled from my regular route to resolve issues. Ever complaint that came required a fix no matter what it took, a personal follow up where necessary to extend the call for other reasons, and a written report explaining the situation.

Finally, your next suggestion is: Write a letter and mail it in to your local admin office. Explain the issue. Do NOT call, and do NOT send an email. Old fashion letter writing still holds MUCH more weight than an email or phone call, anyday.

One more thing, too. Who are you using to test your connection, and have you visited the tweak section of the site? How are you certian that there isn't something in your network to ensure that you've ruled out any possibility that it might be inside your home. (No, I am not playing the "it's not our fault" routine.. but it's a valid question)
jdracer47

join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA

Re: Save us!

Our Franchise agreement is written so loosely they can provide whatever crap they want to. It was an automatic renew of a contract signed in 1989 when the community first got cable (when Exclusive contracts WERE legal).

We do have DSL coming and it will be ready July 1st, we used Act 183 BFRR to force Verizon into it. Although real broadband is coming I really would like to stick it to this worthless cable company.

I use Speakeasy to test my bandwidth, it is the most reliable source I have found. I have tried just about every broadband tweak known to mankind. It just doesn't do anything when your provider uses 2 T1s to provide to 600+ customers.
fiberguy
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Re: Save us!

Try my other suggestions. They do work.

Second.. sad to point this out, but it's a eye opener to the people that vote these public officials in office to write these BS agreements that are not in the interested of the people.

City councels are EASY to control... it doesn't usually take much effort to rid the councels of these inept councel members.
Steve B

join:2004-08-02
Seattle, WA

It's Obvious

Article after article comes out showing price reductions for customers where local incumbants are facing competition. Yet, the FCC/government seems to want to remove competition by allowing all these dam mergers and to quit forcing incumbants to share lines.