1 edit | yea only IF yes it is only if it is unlimited so I don't have to worry about caps concast. I don't like caps.plus at a good price not pay more for and get less. that's how companys work now days | |
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Kamus
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El Paso, TX | Awesomely obsolete. Comparing an information technology with college eh?
Somebody buy this woman a clue please. | |
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| | Hey Rebecca.... The longer you guys keep your head in the sand, the harder the fall. Ignorance is bliss!! 'nuff said. | |
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(Arbogast said) the absolute price of broadband was essentially flat while speeds increase 900%. She pointed out that over the same time the cost of college has increased 72%. "That's a real problem," she said. "Broadband isn't." Arbogast said that the U.S. was also a leader in what it did with broadband, including its impact on economic, political and social life.
Arbogast derided the oft-quoted stat that the U.S. is 22nd in broadband. "It is not true. It doesn't even rise to the level of 'truthiness' in the Colbertian sense." She pointed out that the stat appears to come from a three-and-a-half-year-old study. "That kind of disinformation is not a good basis for policy analysis."
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Not just Comcast but ALL cable companies better open their eyes. Caps were put in place to control web traffic and bandwidth hogging. Turned out to be hog wash as it was just another way to fleece money from the subscribers. Subscribers are leaving for other options. If you don't think this woman's hot air response is a backward assessment of the US market is then I don't know what is. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Hey Rebecca.... I want 'truthiness'! I love this word! Will give me a warm feeling in my heart as we all get forced on cross industry agreed 5GB caps to curb domestic terrorism. Woops! Just set off a black flag at homeland securities Data Bay Watch that surfs all net content for people who use the the wrong word (terrorism). Anyways I think lobbyists have hit on a new slogan. It's the MOST 'Truthiness' Network! TM. lol
Lets see how well can the rest of you can use this awesome trust inspiring the term? Perhaps you can define it better? The 'Truthiness' industry I love it! LOL
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| | | | | | | said by YukonHawk:Not just Comcast but ALL cable companies better open their eyes. Caps were put in place to control web traffic and bandwidth hogging. Turned out to be hog wash as it was just another way to fleece money from the subscribers. Subscribers are leaving for other options.
I'd recommend looking at the data. US wireline broadband caps impact a very small fraction of users. I really don't understand why people keep saying it is "another way to fleece money from the subscribers"
»www.fcc.gov/measuring-broadband-···#Chart20
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El Paso, TX | said by silbaco:And how is that? Comcast is the fastest provider in all their territories with the exception of FiOS. The company has ample cash to roll out faster technology if need be at any time. Comcast isn't going to fall anytime soon.
Way to make a sad story even sadder. The fact that a copper provider is the "fastest provider in all their territories*" just adds insult to injury.
It would appear that cable providers learned nothing from the demise of DSL or why it happened.
DSL providers don't mind because they simply turned to their real cash cow, the wireless business where they charge an arm and a leg for bandwidth.
At the rate Cable is progressing even wireless will surpass them soon enough.
It didn't need to be that way either, they could have upgraded to FTTH instead of sitting on their laurels all these years.
Copper has been obsolete for a while now, and their failure to accept that and move on will bite them in the ass eventually. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Hey Rebecca.... Are you talking about coax? Because coaxial cable has significantly more bandwidth available than a standard couple of strands of copper wire. Fiber is methodically being pushed further out in HFC plants and will eventually reach the CPE. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Hey Rebecca.... said by openbox9:Are you talking about coax? Because coaxial cable has significantly more bandwidth available than a standard couple of strands of copper wire. Fiber is methodically being pushed further out in HFC plants and will eventually reach the CPE.
The same can be said about those strands of copper wire too. | |
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kudos:4 | twisted pair blame those still clinging to DSL.
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Many of us have no choice but to go with DSL if we'd like any sniff of broadband. | |
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| Re: twisted pair Yes! I know an area within a local city where the ONLY provider is Verizon and they don't have FiOS there. They have said it is coming to the city, but I think pigs will fly first class on Southwest Airlines before that happens in that particular part of town.
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Evanston, IL | I blame the people still clinging to any form of copper. glass is where it's at. | |
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| | | | Re: twisted pair True enough, but it is the telco's copper that is the biggest problem. The cable company's copper is still capable of holding its own in many territories where fiber is deployed. | |
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join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: twisted pair said by silbaco:True enough, but it is the telco's copper that is the biggest problem. The cable company's copper is still capable of holding its own in many territories where fiber is deployed.
It's not really "holding it's own" at all. It's obsolete, it just seems like it's "holding it's own" because sadly, the majority of people are still on shitty copper connections. So naturally internet services are designed with that majority of people in mind.
As for the fact fiber speeds are similar on the same areas (i'm sure you mean Verizon). It just goes to show that this is nothing but an agreement not to really compete between them, by offering similar speeds at the price points people are willing to pay for, even though Verizon could easily offer at least an order of magnitude higher speeds than cable can with out even coming close to saturating their network. (note that i'm talking about the plans people actually sign up for) | |
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The problem is you need some competition to push the ISPs to deploy this advanced technology in a timely manner. DSL is not that competitive technology and neither is cellular based mobile wireless. The white-space ISPs of the future might be good enough in some areas to challenge cable ISPs. But that equipment will be expensive. | |
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Given...
• The smallest minority of users would actually use this ultra high level of speed
• The vast majority of users are currently using less than 40GB / month (and have capabilities 7x+ that)
• Home networks, wifi and PCs that have trouble with even doing 20Mbps
• Internet servers struggle with simultaneous users at 20Mbps
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.... what is a "timely manner" for a *massive* change to the infrastructure in order to deploy this advanced technology? | |
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| Re: twisted pair To me timely would be 2026, in the areas of the USA resembling at least the potential subscriber densities of Chattanooga TN, Lafayette LA, Monticello MN, and Wilson NC. All areas with significant FTTH operations. The rest of the USA that presently has POTS wired telephone service should be able to be completed by 2038. We should be able to provide, by 2038, FTTH to any building that has at least POTS wired service today.
The experiences of EPB Fiber and LUS Fiber have shown that there are new business ideas that need to have significant symmetrical data rate capabilities. Start up businesses that begin with 30 Mbps symmetrical, upgrade to 100Mbps symmetrical within a relatively short time. The 1Gbps offerings are seen as excessive by many, which is part of the reason why a 250Mbps offering was created at EPB Fiber. But that is the state of the World Wide Web today. By the year 2043 1Gbps symmetrical could be the 10Mbps symmetrical of today. The bottom package offered. Building a network infrastructure that can relatively easily handle that growth would be wise. Video content usage on the WWW will significantly increase, as it is a useful tool with which to completely communicate emotions and logic. | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | The Daily Beating of Karl's dead horse.
The people who choose to live in satellite-only or cable-free locations are a small minority and do not represent the state of broadband in America. Serving such-low density settings will never be cheap - nor is it our collective responsibility to subsidize those who elect to live in such places.
LTE will bring competition to many of these otherwise unprofitable hamlets. While it won't allow data hogs to download or stream with impunity, it will deliver high speeds at an price point more acceptable to current non-subscribers, and will force better pricing for satellite bits.
Comcast is not a pleasant company to do business with - I'm glad we were traded out of their service area. But they continue to improve the value of their product year after year, as do the other major cable firms. | |
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| Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: The Daily Beating said by elray:they continue to improve the value of their product year after year, as do the other major cable firms.
Oh yeah, no one is arguing the fact that you can polish that pinto as many times as you want.
But if you want to fly with the eagles, you have to be one. | |
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| | | | Re: The Daily Beating said by Kamus:said by elray:they continue to improve the value of their product year after year, as do the other major cable firms.
Oh yeah, no one is arguing the fact that you can polish that pinto as many times as you want. But if you want to fly with the eagles, you have to be one. I suggest you do some reading on DOCSIS3.1 the latest specs that are being drafted target 10Gbps downstream and 2.7Gbps upstream over coax.
Cable still has plenty of life left it it. Besides, once coax is out of gas, the cable companies already have fiber to the edge of the neighborhood, and it's a short hop to GPON or DPON or whatever PON variant the cable MSOs decide to move to.
Cable providers are poised to offer bandwidth as needed for the near future. | |
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join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: The Daily Beating said by cablegeek01:I suggest you do some reading on DOCSIS3.1 the latest specs that are being drafted target 10Gbps downstream and 2.7Gbps upstream over coax.
Still obsolete. Like i said on a post below here, you can polish the pinto all day long if you want, but it won't change the fact that copper is obsolete for long range connectivity.
Because guess what?
By the time this gets deployed fiber technology will be at least an order of magnitude faster.
XG-PON has been available since 2010 and they are only delaying the inevitable. Fiber is capable of doing more than docsis 3.1 before it even gets deployed.
And really, at that point why not just go FTTH anyway? Since for Docsis 3.1 to work that almost is the case.
I think they are very confident that consumers won't have any viable alternatives and they can hold out as long as they wish. But i think i know something they don't. | |
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join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: The Daily Beating said by cablegeek01:It's all about the cost to deploy. FTTH is still expensive to deploy.
... And cable is still obsolete, just like DSL is.
Obsolescence happens when something much better comes along, at about the same price of old technology. This is what has happened to the copper infrastructure.
You can make arguments for why things are the way they are all day. Still doesn't change the fact that copper has been rendered obsolete.
For example:
A Pentium 2 @400 mhz might be adequate for quite a few things even today. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's obsolete. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Daily Beating I'd say it's obsolete when it's no longer able to perform the task required of it. What is the accepted broadband rate? 100Mbps? Cable can do that today, no problem. 1Gbps? you can still reach it just fine. In 5-10 years, I would agree with you, but it's still capable of going faster than the "cloud" can generally support.
If you invent a car that goes 500Mph, does it make all other cars obsolete? Nope. If people are happy getting from point A to point B at 75Mph, that old clunker is still a viable option. Even if the two cars cost the same, there's no reason to trade in your existing car if the speed limit on the highway is still 75Mph.
Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't push for innovation. Generally a faster edge/access layer on the internet tends to drive more content delivery networks to upgrade their backbone and hardware. But nobody's going to do it for free or at a cost to their business if someone else isn't doing it first and taking customers with them.
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So, New York City that is so "roomy" as far as population density and has crap cable speeds is because of ... ? | |
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| | | said by elray:those who elect to live in such places...
The people that live and work in those places grow/produce your food. Just an FYI. Of course we could elect not to live here and let the city folk pay more to get their food. | |
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| said by elray:of Karl's dead horse.
Comcast is not a pleasant company to do business with - I'm glad we were traded out of their service area. But they continue to improve the value of their product year after year, as do the other major cable firms.
I hope you are being sarcastic? Because cable companies shove more adverts, commercials and junk on their subscribers and raise the price every year it seems. The latest trick is encrypting everything in order to jack up equipment rentals on "basic** TV"
33 channels none really HD just digitized analog and dropped on the wire | |
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| I agree. With the D3 rollout the cable plants can compete with fibre providers. Just yesterday I was reading about speed upgrades. Now this is 80%. For the 20% you aren't going to get fast copper, ever. It's dead in the US. It doesn't make financial sense, and guess what that is why businesses stay in business.
So you will probably move to fixed wireless/sat which is perfectly fast enough. The economics aren't there yet, but the technology is. Since the 20% are not the most profitable, they are going to need to wait until the economics come in line with the capital outlay.
Companies aren't a charity, and if you deregulate you can't force them to compete on price/service AND force them to provide service. That is a lose lose situation for all involved. If you regulate you get the absolute lowest service possible, and that is why for 80 years telephone didn't innovate. I forgot digital dial...
Some countries in Europe/Asia made the investment that running fibre made sense, and now they kick our butt. But in the US the priority is making sure Jim who weighs 600 lbs gets his special chair, modified car, a ramp at every store, a lift at the pool, CPAP machine, and the best meds my money can buy. | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: The Daily Beating said by cablegeek01:That said; I would love to have FTTH. once it's deployed, it is pretty sweet.
As do we all, but until the cost comes down to a level that the majority will pay, some of us will have to wait. In some cases, it simply isn't going to happen. | |
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join:2012-11-27
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| One up We are making a killing directly competing against Comcast and CenturyLink in New Mexico. We don't block ports we don't restrict usage and being a local company customer support is off the hook.
Better yet we have the ability few have is Internet and more fast fast fast! | |
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join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: One up said by RWSI:We are making a killing directly competing against Comcast and CenturyLink in New Mexico. We don't block ports we don't restrict usage and being a local company customer support is off the hook.
Better yet we have the ability few have is Internet and more fast fast fast!
I think we need a little more context to understand what you just typed. But somehow i don't think that will help your last paragraph. | |
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join:2012-11-27
Albuquerque, NM Reviews:
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| Re: One up We can support speeds faster via wireless than Comcast and CenturyLink provide in our market area. No port blocking, secure and absolutely traffic shaping on certain types of downloading.
We can install within hours of call to get connected and do not make customers wait. | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| said by RWSI:We are making a killing directly competing against Comcast and CenturyLink in New Mexico. We don't block ports we don't restrict usage and being a local company customer support is off the hook.
Better yet we have the ability few have is Internet and more fast fast fast!
How many customers do you actually provide service to?
your speeds vs pricing ratio would seem to limit your customer base ($189/mo for "up to" 20Mbps ?) and only offering 4.5, 9, and 20Meg plans is going to give you a really good average over centurylink which still has dialup and low rate DSL customers.
Local support and another provider is great, but extremely limited in scope. | |
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join:2012-11-27
Albuquerque, NM Reviews:
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| Re: One up Our customer base number we can't disclose but we serve our military base, hotels, restaurants, small and large business, radio stations all the way to home users and a lot more.
Fiber optics are not cheap here and we aren't subsidized by the government. We do not use cache servers to save bandwidth. One other thing we have is up load speeds match down load speeds, lets see the others do that.
Local support is for any issue from computer problems to any thing the customer can think of.
Comcast and CenturyLink stops at their router and your on your own.
We also offer speeds over 20meg to 700meg.
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| small countries are easy.. ...to re-wire
I look at the list and see tiny countries, with massive high density
Hong Kong slightly smaller than LA with twice the population, most of it in a VERY high density core area.
Wire one high rise and you reach 100's or even thousands of subs, which quickly raises the average speeds.
If you look at total IP's per country only china comes close to the US in fact we have more IP's than the first 15 -20 countries on the akamia list combined even though some of them have much higher adoption( possibly availability plays a part) rates.
Broadband availability doesn't yet cover everywhere in the US but is expanding at an amazing rate looking at the average speed is not a good metric when the area and population sizes are SO different. | |
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join:2004-07-11
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kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: Never trust someone... said by Probitas :...who is being PAID for their opinion.
If you are implying I am paid for any post or opinion here you are sadly mistaken. (cause I could use the money)
Apparently, you've never been to a doctor or dentist, lawyer, engineer, architect, school or almost other organization which is not 100% volunteer.
Not that the words of an anon have much meaning. | |
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| | Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: Never trust someone... said by tshirt:If you are implying I am paid for any post or opinion here you are sadly mistaken.
Doesn't look like he mentioned anyone specifically. | |
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join:2004-07-11
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kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: Never trust someone... said by Kamus:said by tshirt:If you are implying I am paid for any post or opinion here you are sadly mistaken.
Doesn't look like he mentioned anyone specifically. Hence, the IF.
I thought since it was directly below my post it might be addressing me, but that could just be the layout I chose.
Either way, applying a blanket "They're all shills/lying/corrupt/stupid" to any group is a childish cop out.
Until people begin to acknowledge the actual conditions that have lead to the US being so far down the list, and begin posting realistic changes to correct those conditions and make it favorable to invest in a faster roll out of new technology, the majority of people/voters/investors will not take those people (the negative commenters.) suggested solutions seriously.
Calling regulators names, or making suggestion that seizing the Telco/cableco because "they owe us" or that you will see a taxpayer funded pentagon/NASA sized budget applied, is beyond ridiculous, and does little further serious brainstorming that MIGHT add additional funding/attention to the problem.
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Particularly in industry, and especially where money is the end focus, people generally will do or say anything to get you to hand it over. And if then they can't or won't follow through on promises for services to be rendered for the payment received, there is a trunk full of excuses.
Get it in writing, or it's no more worthy of respect than the TP used in the bathroom. | |
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It didn't make financial sense to roll out electricity, phone network, water, highways or even the original cable networks, but those got done didn't they?
Why? Because ultimately there was a huge economic/social incentive to do so. Probably the only one of those major things that even touch the economic/social benefits of the internet is the highway system and that is the least "profitable" of all.
Unfortunately the greedy and maniacal executives (many today are MBAs) have NO concept of the greater good (indeed more profit in the long term!) long term health of the companies, or national interests, the only thing these "number crunchers" give a damn about is the last red cent they can squeeze from the customer AS EASILY AS POSSIBLE.
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
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| Many are angry at Comcast My DirecTV installer told me he had a customer who was so angry at Comcast that he kicked them to the curb completely and took DirecTV along with home phone and DSL through Verizon.
I switched the TV to DirecTV and the home phone to Verizon and I'm keeping Comcast for Internet. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Many are angry at Comcast said by IowaCowboy:My DirecTV installer told me he had a customer who was so angry at Comcast that he kicked them to the curb completely and took DirecTV along with home phone and DSL through Verizon.
I switched the TV to DirecTV and the home phone to Verizon and I'm keeping Comcast for Internet.
Many are angry at every single major provider of TV / Internet and phone service. There are tons of people who completely hate the hell out of DirecTV, Verizon, AT&T, etc. etc. etc. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Well yes... ... where Comcast and a few other really good ISPs serve. What about others who don't have broadband access? That's the problem. If you have Comcast, you're all set. At least so long as they don't have a cap. | |
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | 3mb isn't cool oh c'mon slow speeds are awesome!
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The bad news? Mexican food here sucks.
The good news?
I'm paying 20 euros a month for 50Mbps.
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| Re: Meanwhile, in Germany said by Some Guy :I'm currently living in Frankfurt.
The bad news? Mexican food here sucks.
The good news?
I'm paying 20 euros a month for 50Mbps.
If I want to go *really* crazy and spend 35 euros a month, it's 150Mbps.
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