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join:2000-12-20
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join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA
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| Re: Good news, bad news they already have those tv's they are called Tru2Way and they use QAM tuners and cablecards still.... they just program the box code into the tv so you dont need a box for the GUI and VOD you can buy one right now, but only a few compcast markets have Tru2Way enabled right now | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Re: Good news, bad news said by neufuse  :they already have those tv's they are called Tru2Way and they use QAM tuners and cablecards still.... they just program the box code into the tv so you dont need a box for the GUI and VOD you can buy one right now, but only a few compcast markets have Tru2Way enabled right now Chicago and Denver are the only two markets I've heard of so far. While 100% of Comcast's and four other companies' digital cable systems are supposed be "Tru2Way ready" (whatever that means) by July from what I've heard consumers shouldn't expect much until next year. | |
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join:2003-03-25
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| Re: Good news, bad news Comcast Oregon Market was the first market in the country to roll out the Cav project. Oregon deployed MANY DTA devices to give customers TV service while freeing up MANY channels. Comcast Oregon Market has also deployed DOCSIS 3.0 as well as a huge assortment of HDTV channels.
The nice thing, IMO, is that there is still room for more improvement. The cable network just keeps scaling and scaling. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| The best news for me is that I will be able to use my Moxi HD DVR with a CableCard as Comcast has no plans to go the SDV route, which this DVR cannot do at this time. Now, if I change service from FiOS back to Comcast, I can still use my own DVR, at least for the foreseeable future. | |
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mustang46
join:2005-05-06
Roseville, MI | I got a letter last month saying my area is going all (mostly all) digital in June. I wonder how long after that we'll see more HD and have docsis 3.0.
I hope it's soon, but I've been told don't expect anything till years end or later. | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
| Re: GUI needs major overhaul The GUI does suck, and the DVR's leave A LOT to be desired.
Good news is that they are aware of this, and improvements are in development. Tru2Way and EBIF along with more advanced set tops will allow for greater flexibility. I'm with ya though, couldn't come soon enough!
Back to the topic though.... What good is "Project Calvary" if it only applies to certain area's of the country? It certainly doesn't apply to the entire Central PA region, and there's many other regions that I hear complaints from as well. Might as well attribute the project to Verizon Fios. Only available to special "privileged" area's. I'm sorry, no service provider would ever provide moving expenses to a customer just so they can relocate to those privlaged area's. Cherry picking at it's finest folks! | |
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@comcast.com
| Re: GUI needs major overhaul I don't know about your area, but I would think such a massive undertaking as bringing "Project Calvary" live in a given system would be a massive undertaking.
I think our first reports of an area doing this was only a few months ago. If you factor in getting the kinks out of hte system, and ensuring box supply and distribution systems would be working for a large scale rollout, it makes perfect sense that it's not a simply "throw the switch" kind of deal.
I also wouldn't be surprised if there were other things needed to "protect" their content. Since all those analogs that get trapped out for HSI only or Limited basic customers are going clear digital, they may need to move things around so they can trap out the digital versions as they go into the clear. (since they can't use encryption on them like they do now).
Ultimately, with all the work needed, I'm not surprised that larger markets are getting the rush deployment with the rest of the system to follow. Just look at their DOCSIS3 deployment. They've promised 100% of the footprint in a year, but so far only limited markets have been deployed. BUT.. we have seen a steady increase in the speed new markets are coming online since the first test markets last year. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX |  Great
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Callahan, FL | Re: Great Jesus Christ! RTFA
"freeing up bandwidth for DOCSIS 3.0" | |
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Premium
join:2001-05-02
Detroit, MI
clubs:
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Docsis 1 is capable of 38 Mbit/s down and 9 Mbit/s up. | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by damonlab :said by JSRoman :"freeing up bandwidth for DOCSIS 3.0" What does Docsis 3 matter when they don't take full advantage of Docsis 1? Docsis 1 is capable of 38 Mbit/s down and 9 Mbit/s up. after overhead its closer to 29mbps down and 4.6mbps up/node.
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA | in the case of CATV, they are intertwined. if you read the article.... you'd see that readjusting the cable channels free up bandwidth (Hz not bps), which enables them to offer more services which INCLUDES DOCSIS 3.0. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| Re: Great Ya I guess you don't get my point
drop all channels and use the whole range for internet
the TV service isn't very good anyway
I get my VOD from the internet
I watch Directv for TV
I have no need for their TV service at all just for the coax that happens to be used for it
so upgrade the plant to 1GHz and use it all for internet | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: Great said by DarkLogix :Ya I guess you don't get my point drop all channels and use the whole range for internet the TV service isn't very good anyway I get my VOD from the internet I watch Directv for TV I have no need for their TV service at all just for the coax that happens to be used for it
so upgrade the plant to 1GHz and use it all for internet Yeah, that will happen. 
They get 75% of their revenue from TV related products. The rest comes from voice & the internet.
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Re: Great Ya I just don't care about their TV service | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Re: Great I get your point I just wish people would see the light and get Sat TV, cable internet, and pots phone
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Premium
join:2007-04-04
West Chester, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Great said by DarkLogix :I get your point I just wish people would see the light and get Sat TV, cable internet, and pots phone I know it won't happen though See the light? What Comcast's numbers (as well as Verizon's and AT&T's) tell me is that bundling is very popular. No, it's not for everyone, but if you can save a few bucks per month by bundling your services, that's not a bad thing - and it would be suicidal for a service like Comcast to just become an ISP. | |
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Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
| Re: Great said by sharksfan3 :said by DarkLogix :I get your point I just wish people would see the light and get Sat TV, cable internet, and pots phone I know it won't happen though Please explain how having a combination of sat tv, cable internet, and a pots phone is seeing the light? Sounds like you are wasting money. Because the combination actually works. Which one would you have: spend less money for garbage that does not work or spend a bit more and have good service ?
1. Cable Internet. Fastest speed, works well after 10+ service calls and avoiding the "generous" caps. (no DSL available)
2. Sat TV. Cheaper, better quality HDTV, no weirdness with digital tuners not working for various reasons (operator forgot to enter ID/subscription whatever into system, constantly needs to reauthorize at weird times and cannot due to poor cable, operator changes for no reason, etc) annoyances.
3. POTS. Works, not dependent on weird similar operator issues as #2, true emergency dialing, no fade outs / drops whatever.
If I could get DSL, I would drop CC's HSI/TV in a second. Never used their phone and am considering dropping TV and subscribing to satellite soon, even if it was TWICE as expensive, just since am so tired of CC.
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Premium
join:2007-04-04
West Chester, PA
·Verizon FIOS
2 edits | Re: Great said by sturmvogel :said by sharksfan3 :said by DarkLogix :I get your point I just wish people would see the light and get Sat TV, cable internet, and pots phone I know it won't happen though Please explain how having a combination of sat tv, cable internet, and a pots phone is seeing the light? Sounds like you are wasting money. Because the combination actually works. Which one would you have: spend less money for garbage that does not work or spend a bit more and have good service ? 1. Cable Internet. Fastest speed, works well after 10+ service calls and avoiding the "generous" caps. (no DSL available) 2. Sat TV. Cheaper, better quality HDTV, no weirdness with digital tuners not working for various reasons (operator forgot to enter ID/subscription whatever into system, constantly needs to reauthorize at weird times and cannot due to poor cable, operator changes for no reason, etc) annoyances. 3. POTS. Works, not dependent on weird similar operator issues as #2, true emergency dialing, no fade outs / drops whatever. If I could get DSL, I would drop CC's HSI/TV in a second. Never used their phone and am considering dropping TV and subscribing to satellite soon, even if it was TWICE as expensive, just since am so tired of CC. Sounds like you have a specific beef with ONE provider in one specific market. To claim that that paradigm is bad across the board is silly. I have FiOS for everything. My internet is awesome - 20/5 service, with no caps, no throttling, and no slow periods. Their TV service has the best PQ I've seen, with 109 (and counting) HD channels available in my market, and their phone service is still traditional POTS (even though it's now delivered over fiber instead of copper).
As for DBS being cheaper - not for me it isn't. Even if I didn't bundle, I'd be saving money over an equivalent setup with DirecTV - I know, because I came from DirecTV.
In terms of Comcast - what makes them profitable is the fact that they're able to bundle. Those triple-plays are extremely popular. Think there's a reason that DirecTV, e.g., is considering starting up a wireless phone service? Can't imagine why they'd want to do that... unless so they can also jump on that bandwagon of being able to provide bundled services.
If Comcast made the jump just to HSI, they would lose money - they couldn't sustain their current business with just HSI - I don't care how fast their service would be. And because they'd only provide one service, they'd lose the ability to attract people in by offering bundled services - you know, one of the enticements that they've used to grow their business so successfully. Which means that their HSI would be more expensive. Which means that they would likely LOSE customers to those services that did provide bundling. At the end of the day it would be, like I said, totally suicidal for Comcast to do that. They're successful because their business model is working. By all means, let's totally mess with that model, to make it so they're not profitable. That'll work! | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Re: Great SAT doesn't go out when is rains or snows hard. I was in hurricane Katrina and the satellite tv lasted a lot longer than the cable tv. It only went down when the wind blew down the dish. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA
1 edit | Re: Great said by CO_Chris :said by jjeffeory :SAT doesn't go out when is rains or snows hard. I was in hurricane Katrina and the satellite tv lasted a lot longer than the cable tv. It only went down when the wind blew down the dish. Hmmm Yes it does and i know this is Fact..We lost it when we had Tropical Storm Allison in Houston and also with the Heavy Snow wet snow we had 2 weeks ago here in Denver. I should have said SAT doesn't ALWAYS go out under those circumstances. Maybe your dish isn't pointed correctly or peaked appropriately? Of course, the big dishes that the cable companies use can go out under these certain circumstances as well. You're right, I shouldn't use sweeping generalizations. I'd be sure and check that your dish is properly installed though. | |
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join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| said by jjeffeory :SAT doesn't go out when is rains or snows hard. I was in hurricane Katrina and the satellite tv lasted a lot longer than the cable tv. It only went down when the wind blew down the dish. Cable only goes out in a storm if a line comes down. This is no differant then if a dish comes down during a storm. Surprise surprise BOTH issues are not the fault of the providers. | |
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join:2004-06-07
Manassas, VA
| said by jjeffeory :SAT doesn't go out when is rains or snows hard. I was in hurricane Katrina and the satellite tv lasted a lot longer than the cable tv. It only went down when the wind blew down the dish. Rubbish. You do not understand the concepts of electrical-magnetic radiation or wave lengths.
Lightning and Thunder generates a magnetic field that interferes with the radio waves which also generates a magnetic field to propel itself as motion - this is a basic property of the motion of photons or light propulsion. (Regardless of frequency) that the satellite are transmitting to your "Node" (receiver). You will see latency as well as interference when that happens. If you say no then you are a liar.
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@comcast.net
| who screws a giant dish into their house anyway, isnt that what people did in the 70s? im assuming none of you (pro-dish people)are homeowners. Its ugly, it doesnt work, they pretend to have HD by enhancing the colors and hoping you dont have a nice enough TV to notice that its not real HD. and if a west coast feed and east coast feed of TBS count as separate channels, you could feasibly say you have 209,000 HD channels. Obviously most of their HD content is real, but if it's not FILMED in HD, then it is not HD i dont care what aspect ratio your TV can change it to with fat distorted "hd" characters. Also, try renting a UFC fight for 60 dollars and then it starts snowing and you find yourself on your comcast internet (which works) trying to find some sort of live feed. Ridiculous, the argument for dish is negligible. Further, comcast and fios have it figured out with 10,000+ on demand titles, that pretty much IS using the internet for VOD. the future is in access to content at your fingertips, not trying to record it on your suck dish DVR and watch it later. | |
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join:2009-07-05
Berwyn, IL
| Well, this year NFL woke up after the threat of removing NFL Network because Comcast wouldnt pay the DRAMATICALLY INCREASED AND OVERPRICED fee for NFL NETWORK, when Comcast didnt budge.
The good thing is that now Comcast will keep NFL, and in SEPT, anyone who has above Digital Starter cable (Digital Classic/preffered) will recieve NFL NETWORK, ESPNU and ESPN360 online.
Also, per the other networks, NBA TV, NHL NETWORK.
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wenter99
Alpha Male
Premium
join:2003-12-09
Albuquerque, NM | FTW COMCASTic! FTW. | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| Couple of concerns -they encrypt the channels->must pay for cable box and possibly DVR
-they use 5c (or other DRM) on the those 'old' analog channels->must pay for cable box and a good chance paying for DVR
I understand the a DTA is available at $30, but this transistion effectively makes the record function on VCRs worthless, thus you'll probably pay for a DVR if you want to record something that isn't analog. From other links related to the DTA, it looks like it is QAM. | |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
1 edit | FCC should make use of cheap DTAs conditional It's entirely possible for inexpensive Digital Terminal Adapters with embedded security to be made and sold to cable companies for $50 or less each. However because they violate the separable security ruling the FCC should require at least two conditions for cable companies to use them. The first is they (or at least the first two per cable household) should be included in digital cable subscriptions free of any and all lease fees except perhaps a refundable security deposit. The second is that a cable company that uses them should be required to have all their other new cable box purchases support Tru2Way. | |
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join:2005-03-24
Hendersonville, NC
| Re: FCC should make use of cheap DTAs conditional The DTA's Comcast is deploying supposedly have a Privacy Mode Encryption ability within them, however it's not being used because of the legal questions regarding the Sep-security mandate.
I also believe from what I've read on the forums that Comcast is including up to 2 free with any digital package... with addition DTA's, if needed, being an extremely low monthly fee (like $1/mo or something).
As for the requirements to purchase tru2way boxes, They have already made promises to the Consumer Electronic company's to have a percentage of their boxes be tru2way compatible by a certain time as part of their attempts to get them onboard. I think I saw a number like 30% of total boxes deployed by MSO's will be t2w capable in just a few years.
In general.... Comcast has willingly already committed to the conditions you propose the FCC force upon them. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Re: FCC should make use of cheap DTAs conditional said by miscDude :As for the requirements to purchase tru2way boxes, They have already made promises to the Consumer Electronic company's to have a percentage of their boxes be tru2way compatible by a certain time as part of their attempts to get them onboard. I think I saw a number like 30% of total boxes deployed by MSO's will be t2w capable in just a few years. In general.... Comcast has willingly already committed to the conditions you propose the FCC force upon them. Glad to hear that Comcast is making the use of DTAs reasonable for their subscribers. Despite what Comcast is doing I still think the FCC needs to make it more formal. The commitment of the six largest companies is that 20% of all their new cable boxes will be Tru2Way until their combined purchases have reached 10 million Tru2Way boxes. Charter's commitment is delayed for one year due to their financial condition and could potentially be canceled altogether by the bankruptcy court. My suggestion would accelerate when Tru2Way economies of scale would be achieved. High end cable subscribers are most likely to benefit first from Tru2Way and because cable companies can only charge what the market will bear they are also most likely to pay the passed on costs of "free" DTAs. | |
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join:2005-03-24
Hendersonville, NC
| Re: FCC should make use of cheap DTAs conditional The overall goal of tru2Way is to get 2way boxes into the hands of the consumer. The primary reason for the MSO's to make the commitment to purchase tru2way boxes is to help spur the growth of the technology, and to give the consumer manufacturing companies confidence in the fact the tech will continue to be supported, easy to use, and developed.
IMO, the 20% commitment meets those goals. It will give a virtual guarantee of a tru2way installed base for apps to be developed and the tech to progress. In general, tru2way boxes may continue to be more expensive to the MSO to purchase than "legacy" boxes simply because of their increased capability, so for people looking to rent their box the lower overhead in a legacy box would allow for a cheaper rental cost. The tru2way base would allow consumers to actually purchase their own devices should they truly desire one, without the drawbacks of current cablecard devices which are available today. | |
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join:2009-07-05
Berwyn, IL
| Well, I think it is pretty scary already that the FCC is transforming into a "dictatorial" agency to force Companies to do certain things. Some things are necessary. To force Comcast or anyone to agree to "conditions" to buy anything cheaper would be an outrage.
#1. Do you realize the company did it cheaper for the sake of the customer? Wanted it to have as little effect on cost as possible.
#2. Do you realize this is one way Comcast is listening to its customers as over the years, from complaints about "losing channels, same price"? Channels that were changed to digital from analog disappeared, and you needed a set-top box to see it. Now those customers get all those channels (plus more) and OnDemand, with PPV and alot of free content. With the new "DREAM BIG" campaign, these are only ONE of the ways Comcast is putting the customer first. | |
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| Here's my suggestion 1. No more analog.
2. Everything in HD mpeg4 with decent bitrate.
3. Lower your prices.
4. Get rid of bandwidth caps.
5. 100mbps right now.
6. Lower your prices.
7. Lower your prices.
8. Lower your prices.
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bshelly
Premium
join:2002-02-17
Schaumburg, IL
clubs: | DTA with more than just Ch3/4 Modulated??? Will Comcast offer an affordable (with no rental fee) DTA that has S-Video and Analog Stereo RCA outputs? From what I gather, the DTA's only put out video and monoaural audio on modulated Channel 3/4. | |
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join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
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| Re: DTA with more than just Ch3/4 Modulated??? DTAs are typically for TVs without composite/component inputs for the sensible reason that these TVs typically are NOT cable-ready. Standard STBs (such as the DCT-22xx) support component-out and composite-out today (I have one connected to a standard VCR because of that capability; the VCR lacks a tuner of any sort). It sounds like you are trying to avoid the standard STB despite that actually being a better fit than a DTA. | |
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join:2006-11-28
Bellingham, WA
| Re: DTA with more than just Ch3/4 Modulated??? Yeah, this is a problem for me. Without RCA jacks on the box, I cannot split the coax behind the tv to continue getting the locals in HD and use the DTA for the rest. I guess the work around is a A/B coax switch or buying/renting another HD Box. This is going to piss a lot of people off even more then they already are. | |
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join:2005-03-24
Hendersonville, NC
| Re: DTA with more than just Ch3/4 Modulated??? said by gdog1977 :Yeah, this is a problem for me. Without RCA jacks on the box, I cannot split the coax behind the tv to continue getting the locals in HD and use the DTA for the rest. I guess the work around is a A/B coax switch or buying/renting another HD Box. This is going to piss a lot of people off even more then they already are. except the channels are put into the clear for the DTA's, so if you have a QAM tuner that is getting the over the airs in the clear, you will be able to get all those channels once they deploy the DTA's. | |
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Your member at work
Premium
join:2005-07-07
USA
1 edit | Are you sure that it only outputs monaural audio? There is a Dolby Digital logo on the bottom of the DTA unit so I think it would support stereo sound even through a CATV out connector. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | I reclaimed $98 per month. Can't say I miss Comcast one bit. | |
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Endgame
Your member at work
Premium
join:2005-07-07
USA
1 edit | Comcast is doing it the right way I now give Comcast the go ahead to go all digital because they are giving out those free Digital Transport Adaptors for the non-digital TVs in the house! If they weren't free then there would have been a problem. I got mine so I'm ready. | |
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join:2009-07-05
Berwyn, IL | Re: Comcast is doing it the right way Yep!
Also, Project Calvary is now hitting the Greater Chicago Region (Illinois, Indiana, Parts of western Michigan).
Wayy faster than I thought. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| nothing to see who cares? this is several years too late as it is, however comcast thinks it's the 'apple' of the cable industry and it's PR spin will try to make it look like their sprinkling diamonds and bently's down on it's customers, when in fact it's capped swine docsis 3 and overpriced cable tv | |
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join:2009-07-05
Berwyn, IL
| Re: nothing to see I dont know if you know, but do you realized the cap for the Internet is 250GBs a MONTH??? That is the highest cap in the market!
Do you realize you need to download 20-50,000 songs (depending on file size) **A MONTH** to hit that?
or gaming....download 50 major games (assuming they are 4GB in size each) still with 12GB of space left for browsing etc.
Im a high HSI user, and work for comcast, and I dont come close to that. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
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1 edit | Great Finally and great. This will help their system a lot.
P.S., I wish Comcast would also use this opportunity to target high-theft markets with actually all-digital, i.e., no analog at all, and also in those same markets make all the digital encrypted, so that none of the cheats would be raising the rates for the rest of us, backfeeding awful connections and equipment, and making messes of cable plant boxes. The cheats would find out quickly enough that they can't steal encrypted service without paying for the keys. They might be able to bribe keys from corruption within the company, but the fight that would ensue to keep the cheats away would eventually cause the cheats to figure out it's cheaper just to pay. I'm mainly talking about Spanish-speaking over the air broadcast channels that are also broadcast in analog cable, and still will be after the digital conversion.
However, that only the OTA channels will be in analog is a good thing; if Comcast simply encrypted the rest with their current Cavalry project, that in itself would be quite effective in reducing the impact cheats have on us. | |
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join:2009-07-05
Berwyn, IL
| Re: Great said by Ulmo :Finally and great. This will help their system a lot. P.S., I wish Comcast would also use this opportunity to target high-theft markets with actually all-digital, i.e., no analog at all, The only reason Comcast is keeping basic services analog, is because Comcast signed a contract with the US Government to keep analog channels, analog, until 2012.
I dont know what the company will do afterwards, but I assume all digital will be the goal. | |
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