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Company deathwatch
(old news - 01:56AM Wednesday Dec 13 2000)
A quick reference on the troubled state of the ISP/CLEC market.. if you have news you think should be added here, please submit it, confidentiality guaranteed.


Updates (June 29th)
BlueStar, Capu.Net

Updates:
Mpower, InternetConnect

Updates:
PathNet, CAIS, Rhythms

Updates:
Onvoy, DSLNetworks, IBS Networks

DSL Specialist ISPs/CLECs in Chapter 11 or closing

Bluestar - After being bought by Covad at end of 2000, now liquidated along with all COs.. (29/07)

Reflex communications - End of March - suddenly closed and shutdown. Building managers signed up forced to seek alternatives, leaving customers stuck without many options.

IBS Networks - Filed for Chapter 11.. posted notice on their site.

connectsouth - funding has run out, closing over the last week of Feb. 3000 customers many ex bluestar lose their lines.

Savvis - 46% Owned by Bridge Information systems, and Bridge is its biggest customer. Unfortunately, Bridge is in bankruptcy proceedings. (Feb 7th)

Darwin Networks - After getting 91 million in funding last year, backed by Cisco as well, they went chapter 11 in January 2001 after a drastic staff cutback in December 2000. Story was in Louisville Courier Journal on Jan 12th. (Feb 7th)

Vitts - ran out of funding, now in Chapter 11, causing another loss of SDSL options in the north east.

JATO - after a re-focus to south-west and south central area, are now shutdown entirely, leaving their customers to find another provider.

Maverix.net - closing down, due to funding being pulled.

Picus communications - in Chapter 11

Relaypoint - now in Chapter 11

ICQ Communications - now in Chapter 11, delisted from NASDAQ.

Zyan - in Chapter 11 press release. Also See our article on the "Zyan Mess", and how Zyan resellers and customers are caught.

Flashcom - in Chapter 11. Rhythms residential lines go to Earthlink. NorthPoint residential lines go to Telocity. Business lines beng moved to XO communications. Website functionality reduced to nothing.

Fastpointcom.com - in Chapter 11 (although their website gives no hint of this) .. Covad obtained control of covad lines to switch to other ISPs.

Digital Broadband Communications - lays off 85% of its staff. Now in Chapter 11 (news article here) 12/27

Bazillion - Bazillion are no longer selling DSL, and have redirected customers to Speakeasy. (12.22). No published plans yet for existing customers (12.26). Bazillion subscribers told game over. Bazillion closes (01.12).

PSN - Lost its relationship with CLECs and customers are being told to switch, then PSN died completely.

Vectris - update: Shutting down and shedding most staff in Austin by Dec 15th as the search for funding fails. Filed chapter 11 in January.

DSL specialist ISPs closing with limited fuss, or changing business focus

Onvoy - handing all DSL customers to Earthlink.. (by march 10th).

Exario - has sold its DSL lines and customers to DSL.net, to concentrate on the business VPN market (like InternetConnect). (03/01). recently received new funding for its new focus.

Phoenix - business lines acquired by Megapath. Residential lines shifting to Telocity.

DSL Specialist ISPs in trouble or cutting back

CapuNet - Layoffs to reduce costs in the face of investors going cold on the whole sector. (03/01)
Exit residential business entirely - handed to Earthlink (29/07)

SpeeDSL - LMKI tried to pull the plug on what they claimed is a "non-paying reseller", however SpeeDSL got a restraining order against LMKI to force them to continue service at least for the interim.

InternetConnect - laid off 19% of staff.. to concentrate on the business VPN market.
The top management of InternetConnect are ex-Nextel, (a company embroiled in a huge race discrimination suit), the rest are ex ISP Channel, which has basically collapsed recently.(12/19)
InternetConnect layoff a bunch more people, reportedly, 60 (in April) then 30 more (in May). Rumors are that the VCs are unhappy about Covad-only reliance.

Internet express - (NOT netexpress.net of Moline IL - that is a different company). Covad Safety net is offering to electronically switch Covad Internet Express customers to "Covad Direct" at the customers request as long as the customer agrees that they may be breaking contract with the ISP if they do so. Covad/NorthPoint have evidently cut their relationship with this ISP.
Frustration for customers as Covad.net provides little details on new prices (they are not going to be the same) or contract details. (12/26)

BigNet - In the same boat as Internet Express! .. Covad Saftey Net is quite willing to switch any customers to Covad Direct if they absolve Covad of any legal tangle they will get into with BigNet by doing so.

DSL Networks - DSL Networks has laid off 50% of staff and closed down all offices except for San Fran head office. Lost ability to provide or sell Covad and NorthPoint lines, Covad shut them off in Febuary, stranding customers. NorthPoint shutting them off repeatedly (March news).

winfire/freedsl - split into three groups now. Uncertainty over whether they can continue. note here.

Facilities based (CLEC) ISPs in trouble

PathNet - filed for Chapter 11, April 2th. story here.

HarvardNet - In a surprise move, giving up DSL entirely See story in Boston Herald, and the FC thread located here, plus this news release.

Red - (aka Red Connect) closed down a while ago, but now is the time the customer lines get turned off. And turn off they did.

NorthPoint - Now in Chapter 11. see article. Network broken up and closed down completely at end of March..

Covad - Out of Chapter 11 - but not out of the financial woods completely yet..

Rhythms - Cost reductions info here. More news: April 2nd sees NASDAQ delisting threat and outside help to explore strategic options.

Network Access Solutions - SBC has got deeper into some kind of complex deal with NAS that involves SBC selling NAS lines in Verizon areas and NAS giving up its facilities in the west info here. Prior to this, NAS had cost reduction projects and layoffs. Stock in same bog as Rhythms and NorthPoint, below a buck, on funding concerns.

MPOWER Communications - Now closing offices and laying off staff. Future uncertain.. cut back 275 staff on May 25th and is reducing footprint.

Surviving DSL Specialist ISPs

SPEAKEASY - claim to be comfortable with their cash burn and cash reserves for 2001, hope to expand faster.

Megapath - claim to be comfortable with their cash burn and cash reserves, hope to expand (business lines) faster. NorthPoint lines redirected to Rhythms. Now has relationship with Telocity to pass pure residential customers.

National ISPs not depending only on broadband

XO Comminications - also putting tempory stop to NorthPoint orders and redirecting them to others.

Earthlink - lost $80m last quarter, but with considerable cash reserves, supported by their narrowband and webhosting business. Broadband still a small fraction of their overall revenue, but growing.

Sprint - who knows, their products even compete with one another, but they'll continue tweaking their ION and wireless products for the forseeable future.

AT&T Broadband - Despite difficulties at AT&T, they are a huge company and are well positioned to advertise their DSL options as "reliable".

uu.net - another huge company with only minority DSL business via Covad. Offering an incredible 6 months free on business DSL lines with long contracts.

Prodigy - Undergoing management turmoil under the uncertain hand of SBC. Needs constant cash from them to keep operating.

Telocity - update: Telocity made it .. bought by Hughes (DirecTV).
With 23-30 thousand subscribers now, picking up more from distressed ISPs, lost a stunning $38m last quarter on operations, and have $70m or so in cash reserves.

Publically listed DSL specialist ISPs with low stock prices

LMKI - Changed its name and was effectively bought out by a new management team. Now known as Myrient Inc.

CAIS - Loses piles of money, but got a lifeline from their preferred hardware supplier CISCO who made a timely purchase of ISP related software from them. April 3rd - staff layoffs of 17%..

others

Your friendy local ISP - probably doing ok. DSL was something the smaller local ISPs needed to offer, but they were not betting the farm on it, so life for them continues although they are probably keen to sell you web hosting, DNS, and web development services and consulting, and they absolutely want the small business customer above all else!

Any DSL specialist ISP - Basic DSL is not profitable at current market prices, business plans require that value-added services (that are mostly or purely profit) be sold as well. DSL ISPs who are not currently funded to the completion of their business plans will have difficulty when the expansion cash runs out. Even those that are funded will have to execute perfectly to survive.

All the Telcos - doing just fine, thanks very much!

ISPchannel - (cable provider) shutting down its cable network entirely.



An example of Covad's message to locked up subscribers:
FastPoint Communications is now the subject of federal bankruptcy court proceedings. At this time, Covad's policy towards ISPs in bankruptcy is to not switch their customers to other ISPs without the approval of the bankruptcy court or the written consent of the ISP itself. Upon approval, Covad can offer a convenient DSL service transfer option that will require no additional up-front fees.

Please check back soon by visiting this site for further details. Covad wishes to continue service to customers of financially distressed ISPs and is actively working towards solutions that will enable it to do so. We appreciate your patience.

An example of Covad's message to subscribers on ISPs that Covad is not happy with:
Customer Acknowledgement Required
Whether and to what extent you have contractual obligations to your Current ISP is a matter between you and your current ISP. If you have such obligations, Covad cannot relieve you of them.

















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AllAlone0

join:2000-10-30
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In due time....

It won't take long for alot of those companies to die or be taken over. I love how only 1 small cable company is among them though
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TheJimmy

join:2000-07-20
Villa Rica, GA

Re: In due time....

So, how much of this is guesswork and rumor, and how much is fact?

doublec16

join:1999-08-20
Jersey City, NJ

Re: In due time....

I guess we'll find out....
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AllAlone0

join:2000-10-30
Oakville, ON
clubs:

The fact that DSL in the US is in shambles everywhere is a good sign. You can't just believe things will work out, wish you could, but there has been a pattern of them losing money for a long time, and its not changing all of a sudden.
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foster404

join:2000-09-26
Catonsville, MD

Re: In due time....

before to long there are going to be only 2 or three dsl providers besides the telcos
geek49203

join:2000-11-25
Jackson, MI

"I love how only 1 small cable company is among them though"

That's because the author of this article didn't do a complete job.

Might I remind you, ISP Channel is like @Home and Roadrunner -- an ISP for local cable companies. Their main problem is that they partnered w/ small companies, many of which have really bad offerings (crappy lines, etc). ISP Channel can't control that, any more than @Home or RoadRunner can control what their catv companies have for equipment.

AT&T is breaking up in (probably) 4 parts, and the word at Western Show last week (catv convention) was that the catv division would be sold to the other strong catv players (Comcast, Cox, et al).

In addition, HSA (Charter's ISP) and @Home (AT&T et al's ISP) are on Downside Magazine's death watch http://www.downside.com/deathwatch.html . Juno (just signed up to be a Comcast ISP) is also struggling and on the deathwatch.

justin
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Re: In due time....

I wrote it, but was not intending it to cover Cable company financial health. ISPChannel was the only company in obvious enough difficulty to mention.
By standards that would include AT&T and Excite@Home, practically EVERY US communications oriented company would be mentioned.

Jestocost
The Poodle Bites.

join:2000-10-19
Saint Louis, MO

It's important to note that HSA is Charter's ISP in only a few markets, many of them not major Charter markets. See my post here for details: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,230652;root=charter;mode=flat

In other areas it could be Earthlink, or RoadRunner or, I have heard, even @Home.

It's worth looking at RoadRunner as one possibly troubled cable provider, given that their exclusive relationship with TWC is ending. No clear indication as to the long-term impact of that move, but keep it on the radar screens.

Jestocost
The Poodle Bites.

join:2000-10-19
Saint Louis, MO

Re: In due time....

Also, HSA is one of Paul Allen's companies and has easier access to additional financing than many of the completely independent ISPs.
Anon You love how there is only one small cable company in the list, you say?

Do you know that cable companies are well funded AND got into the cable internet game already with a ton of cable TV subscribers?

Just because there are no cable companies in the list doesn't mean they are doing good. They just so happen to have a heavy influx of cashflow from an existing business.

Its NOT because they are doing any better at broadband than DSL.
jydub

join:2000-10-17
Nashua, NH

Telocity?

What about Telocity. The reports for them are coming in with more and more in the mixed and horror side. Is their tech support getting overtaxed? They've got this massive campaign going on with mailings and advertisements. They're another DSL provider with a great IPO (last spring?) and then suffered a stock price tank, down to 2 bucks. It's seems they're surviving, but I hear very little about them. BTW, They're my provider (shared adsl 640/90 through Verizon) and I've found them very good. Always there, 99% uptime. I used tech support a couple times (via e-mail) and the response was pretty lame.

DobleD

@telocity.com

Re: Telocity?

Telocity is a decent provider overall. They provide absolutely the best (although proprietary) modems, and don't have restrictions of home networks/web servers as some ISP's choose to do. AND they pay their bills (probably Rhythms crown jewel customer).

Despite loosing money, they are actually meeting their targets- the losses were planned to accomidate their massive growth projections. The difference is they can't sell their reserve stock at $50 into the market anymore to cover losses and provide operating cash. So the whole show for investors (ultimately customers too) is waiting to see if they can line up funding by March or April 2001- their projected cash-out date.

justin
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I remembered Telocity last night and added it this morning. Indeed, their cash-out date looks uncomfortably close. I can't imagine anyone getting fresh funding then. They would have to merge/be acquired/sell out or do something else drastic to continue.
Thats just my opinion from looking at the 10-Q though, as they say on the financial boards, do your own DD.

Jestocost
The Poodle Bites.

join:2000-10-19
Saint Louis, MO

Re: Telocity?

Yep. With $75MM cash on hand and a loss of $38MM in the most recent quarter, it doesn't take much to figure out that there's potential trouble on the horizon. Salomon Smith Barney cited concerns over Telocity's viability in the downgrade on Rhythms that they issued Monday. According to SSB, Telocity and Flashcom account for 33 percent of Rhythms installed lines and 40 percent of their 3Q00 new lines.

mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA
Isn't Telocity backed by NBC? Shouldn't that help?

Jestocost
The Poodle Bites.

join:2000-10-19
Saint Louis, MO

Re: Telocity?

NBC, NBCi and affiliated companies invested about $70 million in cash and advertising (TV and online) for a 20 percent stake in Telocity. At today's prices, that stake is worth about $32 million. Absent anything that we don't know about, I'd find it difficult to believe that NBC would pour any more cash into the company.
tommy3d

join:2000-12-05
Fort Lauderdale, FL

Telocity is the worst. I thought Bellsouth was bad, but Telocity is the worst company that I have ever dealt with in any field. Their tech support will lie to you. Their supervisors (haha) will lie to you. I have been connected with them for about a month, and I have been down EVERY DAY. It took three weeks for them to transfer my domain to their DNS servers. I am in the process of changing carriers. The only reason I am able to write this is because I am at work. My home telocity is DOWN!!!!!

mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA

Re: Telocity?

I think it has to do with other things cause my friend signed up for Telocity and he had the best installation and couldn't be happier. He signed up and in 2 weeks they came out and installed his line and told him he would get at least an 800k connection and then they said he'd get his modem in like 2 weeks and it came like 4 days later. Installed it via USB and worked like a charm. 1 minor problem at the beginning of the installation of the modem but tech support cleared all that up. Now he's happy and has had service for about 3 weeks at speeds around 800k.

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Anon

Whats the Local ISP to do?

With all the DSL "Shakeouts" whats the Local ISP to do? We are a Computer Consulting Company and the DSL is a good "foot in the door" to other services. If all these DSL companies are dematerializing who should we partner with? how can you tell they will be around for more than a few months?
jydub

join:2000-10-17
Nashua, NH

Re: Whats the Local ISP to do?

My old ISP started offering DSL through Verizon, the local telco. It cost 10 dollars more than Verizon's service and they want you to buy the modem and filters for 300 bucks! I'm not sure if they've sold any of this service, but I didn't buy it. The only advantage would have been keeping the same ISP, domain name, e-mail, etc...

In the end, though, this ISP (and others like them) may be the only one around since we can only assume the telcos will always be around.

urbman
Phasers Locked On Target

join:1999-06-25
Niagara Falls, NY

What the experts predict??

With all the dsl turmoil, why is it that the experts are still predicting dsl will win out over cable? I used to be a big dsl supporter but since getting cable and reading the reviews I am beginning to wonder. Don't get me wrong I think that dsl is a better product when it works. Besides that will the deregulation of both cable and phone, I don't see how the local telcos could even offer cable over a dsl line with the quality at present. I have heard that in Mass, AT+T is offering local phone service over cable lines? If the cable companies can get that going will the phone companies be able to catch up?
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croshare

join:2000-09-18
Medford, NY

Re: What the experts predict??

You really have to look at the big picture of broadband. It's not you or me surfing the web and downloading MP3's that pay the bills, It's the small to medium sized business that buys the connection, hosting and other e-business oriented services that keep these companies operating. Up until recent offerings no cable company has been selling small business services. It's all been consumer based connections without an SLA. I don't know about you but if my company relied on it's internet connection to function I would need some sort of service agreement and guaranteed bandwidth. A company that was paying $1000-$2000 a month for a T1 can now get the same bandwidth for $300-$500 a month with the same SLA they got on the T1
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dsl_boy

join:2000-11-21

AT&T Phone over Cable

I was under the impression that AT&T was rolling this out nationwide. See www.digitalphone.att.com

urbman
Phasers Locked On Target

join:1999-06-25
Niagara Falls, NY

Re: AT&T Phone over Cable

Cool thanks for the link.
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lml2000
Whazzup

join:2000-08-17
Los Angeles, CA
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: What the experts predict??

urb:

I think you confusing "turmoil" for quality of service, when it really is referring to financial stability of many of these CLEC operations. Much of the problems now experienced by CLECs and their DSL ISPs are financial. These CLECs obtained too much money too quickly from bankers, and has a result spent it much too quickly focusing on market share rather than the bottom line. Well, now the money spicket has been turned off, and those operations that are not profitable will soon wither on the vine and either die or seek a big fish with cash flow. Cash is now king in the DSL business. Expect some consolidation and some permanent Ch. 7 liquidations. But DSL is here to stay, and in many respects, particularly to professionals and more serious residential users, DSL will continue to offer a superior platform, but might cost a bit more than cable for such superiority.

Cable, OTOH, will cater to residential users and will likely operate at the lowest common denominator until the subscriber base starts to complain with a loud roar. If you're fortunate to live in an area with superior cable plant and few subscribers, your service is bound to be superior to a traditional ADSL line. But don't expect the nirvana to last forever. For $25-30 per month, you cannot expect your MSO to deliver to you a 5-10 Mbps pipe forever. Most likely, going forward, the QoS of your cable connection will continue to dwindle, and periodically improve when the cable company decides to add a node. But I submit as the network grows larger, and more complex, on the margin each additional node will result in less and less improvement in QoS, and that with increased complexity brought on by the increased number of subscribers, problems on the network will increase exponentially.

So, which is better, DSL or cable? It depends. It depends upon where you live, your local plant situation; who your provider or MSO is, etc. Do you live close to your telco's CO? Who is your ISP and what is the unused capacity on their network? Are you willing to pay a bit more for superior service? Is your MSO a quality operation? If so, how new is their cable plant? How many subs do the permit on a single node? How often or how willing is the MSO to add a node when local traffic in the coax in your street gets congested during peak periods? Do they know what they're doing? IMHO, many MSOs know little about 2-way systems; they pretend to know, but have considerable less experience than the telcos. You be your own judge.
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Silvio Dante
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edited

Some More...? + notes

Jato Communications
DSL.Net

...can't remember exactly, but I think there's one or two more rattling around in there...

...and there has been news about Rhythms: despite stock plunge along with every other DCLEC listed, Cisco pumped another $50 million into their coffers just last month. Unusual turn of events for a company receiving an equal "vote of no confidence" as their competitors from the market. Considering Cisco's reputation (and product line!!!!) I'm left wondering whether the stock price is telling the whole story with Rhythms, and perhaps they have a better chance of survival than the others.

Plus, for both Northpoint and Rhythms it is notable that the "ISP can't pay their bills problem" does not extend to either of those companies them (that I've heard). One wonders why Covad alone and Northpoint suffer this particular ailment, but Rhythms does not? Note: if you've got evidence to correct this statement about Rhythms, put it up, but if it's no more than "the stock price plunged so the market assumed" I will hold my correction until I see some actual press or numbers. More than happy to stand corrected: just has to be supported. Thank you!

[text was edited by author 2000-12-06 12:51:31]

dru

join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA

Re: Some More...? + notes

said by Bobo:
Jato Communications
DSL.Net

...can't remember exactly, but I think there's one or two more rattling around in there...

CLEC New Edge Networks had a large layoff recently.
quote:

Plus, for both Northpoint and Rhythms it is notable that the "ISP can't pay their bills problem" does not extend to either of those companies (that I've heard). One wonders why Covad alone suffers this particular ailment?

This is incorrect. Northpoint issued a similar correction and revised revenue regarding receivables they were unable to collect from companies like Flashcom. Northpoint simply has the "Verizon" play taking most of the attention. Rhythms is assumed to have the same issues and is being punished in the markets.

jseymour8

join:2000-07-29


Plus, for both Northpoint and Rhythms it is notable that the "ISP can't pay their bills problem" does not extend to either of those companies (that I've heard). One wonders why Covad alone suffers this particular ailment?

You must have missed Northpoint oops in Q3. Two down, one to go.

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geek49203

join:2000-11-25
Jackson, MI

quote:

Plus, for both Northpoint and Rhythms it is notable that the "ISP can't pay their bills problem" does not extend to either of those companies (that I've heard). One wonders why Covad alone suffers this particular ailment?

Northpoint has indeed suffered from this, as they have already "re-stated their earnings" (uh, they wrote off bad debt). This is what led Verizion to back out of their agreement, and why Northpoint's stock bottomed out at 1% of its 52-week high. Rhythms isn't saying anything, but since they provide service to some of the same ISPs then they are suspect as well (as demonstrated by their stock price).

Jestocost
The Poodle Bites.

join:2000-10-19
Saint Louis, MO

According to Salomon Smith Barney, who downgraded Rhythms earlier this week, Flashcom and Telocity account for 33 percent of Rhythms installed lines and 40 percent of their new lines in 3Q00. With Flashcom's status well documented and Telocity two quarters away from running out of cash at their current burn rate, that's a scary picture for Rhythms. In fact, SSB specifically cited concerns about Telocity's viability in their downgrade of Rhythms.

Bobo$
Silvio Dante
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Holland, MI

Re: Some More...? + notes

OK, now we're talking! But are those "bad debt" scenarios (i.e. some of 33% default, presuming that they won't default on 100% of their debt to Rhythms...equally worst-case: could be delay and payment plan rather than default) enough to offset the recent Cisco investment and the potential for VC in 2001? See, I can understand why SSB would downgrade, having not more than an eye for the stock performance, but in terms of VC and partnership potential (including full/partial buyout), I'm wondering if this is indeed enough to sink the ship. Remember, in 1999 it wasn't just Cisco shelling out the VC dough - check the record, but I do believe that Mr. Bill has a stake in the outcome here. Anybody here believe that he'll allow it to go down in flamage?

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Zelpheri

@msais.com

And the Anti-Inexperienced ISP...?

And pray tell, how's Flexnet of Hawaii doing?

:-P~

-T.J.
spectro

join:2000-07-20
Fort Worth, TX

and PSN?

Anybody knows about how is PSN doing?
scottnw

join:2000-04-01
Gresham, OR

Re: and PSN?

NETWORK modification? my dsl is down now? I have a feeling a switch is taking place. someone else have any details?

Rogue29

join:2000-12-07
Marietta, GA
clubs:

Re: and PSN?

Mine is down too since Monday I think. Webmail still works. Are they really making modifications or are they just not paying their bills?

SEU

@209.8.x.x


Rumor says(call tech support yourself and ask for real story):

They oversold their bandwidth in the west coast so they reroute their network to east coast. And somewhere along the line people screwed things up(surprise?).

After a week I still dont have my DSL in DC. oh well...don't know if I'll ever get my credit from PSN.

--SEU

DSLessAlso

@140.90.x.x


Spoke with PSN customer service rep. She informed me that next week I will receive a notice from NP regarding a switch to another ISP. I live in Maryland and have had problems for over 60 days now. SO...I guess the stories about PSN biting the dust have some truth to them. I'll be glad to switch just to bet my DSL service up and running again.
scottnw

join:2000-04-01
Gresham, OR

Re: and PSN? TELOCITY & NORTHPOINT CONTACTED ME

WOW! I mystery is finally solved about PSN LACK OF SERVICE.
CHECK EMAILS

Jestocost
The Poodle Bites.

join:2000-10-19
Saint Louis, MO

Prodigy?

Prodigy's role as SBC's ISP (and SBC's 43 percent ownership stake in the company) may prevent them from going over the edge, but certainly won't insulate them from problems. They were down to just $5 million in cash at the end of their last quarter and their deal with SBC was sucking them dry. As of today, there's a new CEO (from SBC) and some changes will need to be made for the company to be viable.

Does this show that even the RBOCs don't have a handle on how to manage the ISP end of things? Has anybody figured out how to make that side of the business profitable?

mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA

What about Bazillion?

Has anyone heard anything about Bazillion? I heard they are having trouble too.

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What's DSL?

join:2000-11-07
Highland Park, IL

Re: What about Bazillion?

They don't answer their phone, that's for sure.
They might be having problems, b/c they are one of Covad's distressed partners.

mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA

Re: What about Bazillion?

Actually I think they're looking for funding now too. We talked to someone who worked there. We'll see what happens.
dklawson

join:2000-11-08
Brighton, MI


edited
I just got off the phone with Covad. According to the person I talked to, Bazillion is not on their distressed ISP list.

Correction: Ok, so the person I talked to was wrong. I've called back twice now and talked to two different people at Covad. Both confirmed that Bazillion is on the distressed ISP list.

[text was edited by author 2000-12-15 10:01:23]
Anon

Re: What about Bazillion?

Interesting. I wonder why they don't show up on tne list of ISP's you can sign up with on Covad's website.

They do need to improve their Tech support line though!

-Matt

CylonRed
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Bloom County
·Speakeasy

OOUCH.....

DSL Networks - word has it, as yet unconfirmed, that DSL Networks has laid off 50% of staff and closed down all offices except for San Fran head office.

This affects me - I was hoping (still am) that because they charged more and was mainly a business provider that they would be spared....... Oh well - tech support was crappy anyway and piongs are horrible. I just maybe saying "Ameritech here I come......."

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Brian
CylonRed on Onlineracing.net
"This one goes to..... 11"

Rking

@bellatlantic.net

It's a damn Shame

It's a damn shame Verizon isn't in the same sinking ship!

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Archvile2

join:2000-10-22
Natick, MA


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Re: It's a damn Shame

Damn right. The way I see it, they'll keep using James Earl Jones to push DSL, then demand will outstrip their login servers and IP address pools. In one tech support call with them, I said, "You have companies that have a T1 line from you; are they getting the same problems? Do I have to spend $10,000 a month just to get a decent connection from Verizon?" The tech support guy said, "Hold on a second, sir," and hung up.

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WizarDru

@fmc.com

Re: It's a damn Shame

You make the assumption that Verizon can actually deliver dsl to all the people it's advertising to, and the simple fact is that they can't. Verizon won't sell me dsl, because I'm too far for adsl, and they won't sell idsl themselves. And soon, they may be the only game in town (although in a way, they always have been).

Halo5

join:2000-07-20
Dayton, OH
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable

Internet Express? Damn!!!

Well, thats my provider. Didn't expect it since I've gotten the full 1.5/384 30ms for the past 7 months with no problems really at all. I wonder if it's because this months bill is a weeks late due to xmas .

I hope it holds on for the next month or so, TimeWarner has been laying the fiber and hardware in my neighborhood for about a month now. The guys doing it said it should be up by the end of January. (fingers crossed)

halo
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Hmmmmm...DSL?

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Anon

@Link?

What about @Link? They seem to keep a pretty low profile, so I don't know much about them. My ISP offers DSL with @Link as the CLEC, however, so I'm interested in how @Link is doing.

- Chris
Anon

@Link? Yes!

Not the cheapest, but darn close to problem free.

Since September's install in Rockford, we have had maybe 30 minutes of down-time.

We are splitting a 1.5Mb dl/768 Mb ul line among 30 users via switch, with an average of six to ten using the line at any time. Works great! Also comes with static IP.

Worked within 45 minutes of installation. We bought our own firewall, and that works fine with it, too.

L0GiX
When all else fails, theres always L0GiX
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join:2000-06-30
South Bay,CA
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·Speakeasy


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Need to add a new field to the isp reviews.

Might as well put all the ISP's that are reviewed here on DSLReports and add the filed of SICK, DIEING, or DEAD to it. One way or another they are all succumbing to the will of the big Telco’s.

One of the Biggies will buy Northpoint or Covad and Rhythms will probably just disappear into nothing.

Broadband is shrinking fast people. Start to wonder if your ISP is stable enough to support you through the end of the year.
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Hey, what's that beeping noise? Wheres that smoke coming from?
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Anon

RE: Where's that Smoke Coming From

Don't mind that, that's just NorthPoint going up in smoke, or down in flames, which ever you prefer. Next!

dslhell

join:2000-01-14
Alameda, CA

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Dead deathwatch?!?

-- for a dead pool/deathwatch, this list is kinda' begging for an update.

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Pythrios

@66.150.x.x

The Covad takeover of InternetConnect

I never did like sad endings.

With Covad Communications' acquisition of InternetConnect practically complete,
I am saddened by the end of a company that felt like an ex-wife to me. As many
days as I had, frustrated to tears at the standards and practices there, both
as an employee and a customer, I loved the people there. I believed in their
products. I enjoyed working for their founder and President and it was with
mixed feelings that I left because I did have my own career to take into
consideration. I did see doom on the horizon. However, that didn't make it
any less painful to leave the company with the red billboards coast to coast.
The company that gave me a chance to become the IT professional that I am
today. The many, many familiar faces. The fact that I even fell in love with
one of the directors. The love-hate feelings I had while working there left me
feeling like a divorced husband.

I worked there for two years, to the day and was hired when they occupied the
Northeast corner suite on the 20th floor of the Wilshire tower where the
company got its start. Before our takeover of the two adjacent suites, before
the move to GeoCities' old headquarters in Marina del Rey, prior to the move to
the Epson Printer building across the street from the Torrance Police
Department. When there was a sales man and his manager, two guys in technical
support, a single person handling billing, customer service, and collections,
and, my old-school, network engineer boss (for six months) was a cantankerous
voice on the speakerphone. The data center was an 85 degree back office with
desktop towers underneath and on top of utility tables, between which, two
telco racks that housed routers and the Redback switch to be the origin of the
company's premier product, DSL.

The situation between a start-up and its employee is somewhat of an
embarrassing agreement. This is especially so if you are a tech. It's the
understanding that the employee probably doesn't have the experience, let alone
the college degree or even a diploma to work at a long-standing, reputable IT
firm--but, that employee wants to learn. It is also the understanding that the
start-up firm probably doesn't have the money for a more experienced or
educated tech. Not unless, of course that high-end IT person is led to believe
the company will end up big some day and they've been promised a high level
position from the start like CTO, Director of IT, etc.

So, both parties are in the precarious situation of evaluating two things; the
employer needs to trust that just because he or she is new doesn't mean they're
unqualified. So, they have to look at things like ambition, history, and what
they're doing. Sometimes they have to go through a bunch of bad apples before
they find one who is interested in helping the company grow. While on the
other hand, an employee might put in long hours for below-industry standard pay
that they, albeit, agreed to given the fact they can't command major IT
salaries for whatever reason. However, they could also be the victims of many
circumstances. For example, incompetent people could run the company so
they eventually go out of business and your effort is for naught.

That's what happened to many during the dot-com collapse era. In many ways,
however, InternetConnect was not just another dot-com, for better or for worse.
One of the ways is that employees hired before they left Wilshire hit a glass
ceiling due to many factors. The main factor was that, in the interest of
attracting investors, we inherited foreign upper-level management from Nextel's
southwest operations upon moving to Marina del Rey. At this time, we had
everything from a new CEO to VPs of Customer Operations and Sales with an
injection of customer service representatives to become the new Installation
Coordination department.

This was good news in the way of bringing order to our chaotic operations.
This, however, stunted the growth of employees that deserved promotion because
of their determination to do a good job in the face of what appeared to be a
never-ending trial of phone problems, angry customers, and shrinking
office-space. Everybody who didn't quit before the move to Marina del Rey went
through hell, and came back for more--even on weekends.

While debuting the DSL product, I became the sole member of the technical
support department because one of the three men in the department quit at the
beginning of 1999 and my partner went onto create what would become the
Provisioning Department. Provisioning, at the time, operated in the same
capacity as the Installation Coordination department to come later that year.
The CTO hired two directors and one manager from a telco company where he used
to work. The idea was to bring sanity to the technical operation of the
company. One of those three ended up being my boss and, eventually, I did get
help. A total of four employees were hired to join me as technical support
representatives.

Somehow, my position ended up directly on top of the fault line of an issue that
proved to be the nagging tooth ache in the would-be DSL giant. Webhosting.
DSL eventually got streamlined into a logical process: the sales department
took the order, installation coordination worked with our partners and the
customer until the service was completed, provisioning would create the
service, billing would bill it and technical support would support it. (Henry
Ford's ingenious assembly-line process in action.)

Not webhosting.

The order, coordination with the customer and our partner (Network Solutions in
this case), the creation of the service _AND_ the support of that product
through incoming phone calls, e-mail and trouble tickets rested in the hands of
my department.

I was the only person in that department, the webhosting department, from about
April 1999 until about late October when my boss hired a temp to help with the
non-technical aspect of my duties that reduced the number of suicidal thoughts
I had (just kidding). It really was that bad, though. Once, I caught the flu
in October of that year and nobody noticed that orders for websites and their
e-mail addresses were piling up for three weeks. Customers were livid and our
sales people were so infuriated by this that, I think, if it weren't for a
programmer there at the time, one of our sales guys was going to take me out
back and deck me. Finally, I get that temp.

Despite my warnings, management was constantly waiting until circumstances
reached a critical condition before conceiving and implementing solutions.

Long after we'd hired the temp. permanently and two others, plus a transfer
from technical support department and then hired two more temps, eventually
permanently--we finally did something right... Almost.

There was an attempt to integrate webhosting into the provisioning department
and push off the jobs of taking the order, coordinating it, and supporting it
to the same departments that did the same things for our DSL service. However,
this failed when both installation coordination and technical support engaged
in passive resistance, essentially refusing to learn the process. The excuse
was that they "don't know this webhosting stuff" which flies in the face of the
fact that almost all of them used to be cell phone customer support people
before coming over here to start working something they didn't know:
high-capacity leased lines. However, the blame lies with the other fact that
executives elected to roll over on the issue. Instead of saying, "You learned
DSL, you'll learn webhosting," me and my tiny band of stooges were back to being
a smaller, duplicate copy of the rest of the company, minus systems
administration, marketing, sales and billing.

Installation coordination received folders containing an order form for DSL and
another one for webhosting but for some reason, the webhosting forms were being
lost, lying on someone's desk unprocessed, etc.

Technical support would receive telephone calls for webhosting issues but the
standard practice was to issue a trouble ticket with little or no information
other than a statement with the equivalent of "customer is pissed, call soon."

Instead of training these two departments, the responsibilities were just
shifted back to us.

The end result was that issues were routinely escalated to top brass. This
caused the heat of a spotlight to come down my tiny gang because it looked like
we were falling down on the job from the hundreds of tickets pending.

It goes against my nature as a tech. to receive a request to resolve an issue
and ignore it while promising the customer the problem will be corrected.
However, that is what I was asked to do to more quickly close trouble tickets.
Half the time, the issue concerned a matter of our back-end infrastructure and
getting an answer ou