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Comparing Netflix Broadband Streaming Options
Xbox 360, TiVoHD, Samsung BD-P2500, LG BD300, Roku
by Karl Bode Monday 19-Jan-2009 tags: Video · competition · business · alternatives · cable · content
Engadget has a nice read comparing the Netflix streaming quality of the Xbox 360, Roku's Netflix Player, TiVO HD, and the Samsung BD-P2500 or LG BD300 Blu-Ray players. Interestingly, the bit notes that the Xbox 360 is a bit more particular about what content gets streamed via HD. The report gives the highest marks overall to the Samsung because of picture quality -- though their recommendation varies depending on your existing hardware setup. One thing of note is that none of the broadcast streaming options are yet available in 5.1 surround -- something that might be a big negative for many movie fans.

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RadioDoc
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It's gettin' there

We watched a bunch of the first season of 30 Rock last night via Netflix on the TiVo and the HD mode kicked in. Not exactly 1080p but close enough. Even my wife was impressed and she's a very tough critic.
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aaronwt
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they still can't get the right settings on a 360

They mention that the video can be dark from the 360. It is only dark if you don't have it set up properly. I've used five different Xbox 360 on 4 HD displays and the video is never dark. Why? Because I have it it setup correctly.
ender7074

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Re: they still can't get the right settings on a 360

Yah, now that you mention it, I don't have any problems with dark playback on my 360 either. Other than the iffy HD stream, it works fine.
ender7074

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Works good

I use my 360 for this service and it works pretty good. There are occasional problems getting it to pull an HD feed but nothing that we are watching really need the HD quality but it would be nice. I figure it will get better as they refine it.

T1 Rocky

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Re: Works good

Is there a setting that you have to do on the xbox to make it stream in HD? I get a great picture (especially for streaming of the net) but it's a far cry from HD. Maybe if the TV is too big it doesn't appear as HD? Anyone know?

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Re: Works good

I think it all depends on your internet connection speed at the time. If it's fast enough (and the video is available in "HD"), it should simply popup a message saying "Presented in HD" and simply do so.

FrostyMelon

join:2006-02-06
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Re: Works good

HD on the 360 depends on your connection, period. I can get HD to work fine on the 360, and my receiver will mix the audio to fill the channels.

I am assuming they send two channel audio due to bandwidth limiatations?

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The Roku

for me, is the deal at $99. I've been with netflix for five years, so it's a no brainer. I'm viewing on a 32" 720p LCD HDTV with a 10M DSL connection and it's fine. I've yet to hook it up using HDMI (damn TV only has one input), but with component cables it scales 720p pretty well.

There aren't enough HD titles I'm interested in to compel me to a higher quality device, or even an HDMI switch, at this point. I get full stream quality practically all the time.
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Re: The Roku

I got the Roku as soon as it came out and love it also. Just worried about losing or breaking the little remote.....
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If you're going in on component you're getting 720p HDTV from the Roku box, no scaling needed.
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Re: The Roku

said by RadioDoc:

If you're going in on component you're getting 720p HDTV from the Roku box, no scaling needed.
If you are using HDMI, you are also getting 720p...theres a large thread over in there forums pushing for them to support 1080i in the next release...I am one that is also patiently waiting as my TV like many others do not support 720p.
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said by RadioDoc:

If you're going in on component you're getting 720p HDTV from the Roku box, no scaling needed.
That's what I thought too, but the Roku people tell me that Netflix's 'flavor' of HD (bitrate, etc) requires HDMI; component is scaled 720p. George it getting confused !
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Where is Playon??

Where is Playon? With Playon I can stream netflix to my xbox (xbmc), xbox 360, ps3, d-link dsm-520 and any PC in the house running xbmc.
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Re: Where is Playon??

I use Playon through my Directv HR22-100. I have it set to maximize preformance to give me the best picture. On my 37" Vizo 720P it looks great. My wife at first didn't believe me it was Netflix streaming.

I also like Playon goes to other sites like CBS which has a great picture. I just wish they would start streaming HD over the internet. I have 16MB and set via Ethernet cable so bandwidth isn't an issue.

SLD
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They forgot the most important!

What about on the PC?!? That is where they started, and now they're abandoning their PC users - probably the easiest part since they can control the software directly. Its a shame that my media center PC can run circles around all of these devices, but Netflix wants me to buy another device?
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Re: They forgot the most important!

said by SLD:

What about on the PC?!? That is where they started, and now they're abandoning their PC users - probably the easiest part since they can control the software directly. Its a shame that my media center PC can run circles around all of these devices, but Netflix wants me to buy another device?
What makes you think they're abandoning the PC market? They've actually recently upgraded the PC market and are offering their pseudo-HD via Silverlight...

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Re: They forgot the most important!

I hadn't seen a mention of it. I'll look around. How do you find HD content?
I just spoke to Netflix tech support, and they said that PCs will not receive HD content with the Silverlight player.

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Works great, I use the Silverlight player in Firefox hooked to my 46" LCD and 1920x1080 mirrored output. Also use a Wiimote for the mouse instead of a regular bluetooth mouse, so I don't have to put it on any surface to navigate anything. So what's the issue with PC users?

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get over it.

Maybe because its not about PC's anymore ? get over it lol.

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Re: get over it.

LOL? Moron!

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Linux and/or PS3

and I will get it. Till then, mail service blue ray.
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Re: Linux and/or PS3

said by Tomek:

and I will get it. Till then, mail service blue ray.
As mentioned above, Check out Playon.... Works Great...

And I watch more Hulu.com with it that netflix...

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Re: Linux and/or PS3

I have a linux server, so it won't work for me, and then must also pay for it.

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Re: Linux and/or PS3

said by Tomek:

I have a linux server, so it won't work for me, and then must also pay for it.
Sorry, You said Linux and/OR PS3

fifty nine

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TiVo works great

It works great on TiVo.

It won't get much use from me, however because:

- HD selection is very limited
- no Dolby Digital 5.1
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Fox McCloud
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hnmmmm

this is something I'm currently debating:

Roku or BD-2500/2550.

I like the idea of the higher quality of hte BD-2500/2550, but the Roku is the only device where you can force it to operate at a certain set bandwidth.

in addition, the BD-2500/2550 is currently considered to be one of the better machines out there, as it now supports all the HD audio codecs, has analog output, and is decently quick at loading Blu-Ray titles (compared to some others).

If Samsung were to promise a firmware update to set/fix the bitrate for NEtflix, it'd be a no brainer for me.
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Re: hnmmmm

Drop the $100 on the Roku box. It is also very portable if you have an 802.11g WiFi LAN available. Only the power adapter and TV connection are required. The HD content is pretty limited for now and the BD players will drop in price enough to cover your interim investment. Unless you are in the market for a Blu-ray player now, in which case you should shop for BD features first.
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Re: hnmmmm

said by RadioDoc:

Drop the $100 on the Roku box. It is also very portable if you have an 802.11g WiFi LAN available. Only the power adapter and TV connection are required. The HD content is pretty limited for now and the BD players will drop in price enough to cover your interim investment. Unless you are in the market for a Blu-ray player now, in which case you should shop for BD features first.
yeah, see, that's the thing, I'm sorta in the market for Blu-Ray, but would be more than happy to just get a Roku and watch the prices drop.....in any event, the BD-2500, Netflix or not, pretty much fits the bill for what I want in a Blu-Ray player.

I put in a suggestion to Samsung to add a feature to set the bitrate for netflix in the next firmware update...doubt they'll do this, but you never know.

say, have a list of the instant-watch HD netflix videos?
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Re: hnmmmm

They just went live a few weeks ago so I'm still wandering around figuring out what is available, but right now it's pretty limited. We watched seven episodes from the first season of 30 Rock last night and all but the pilot locked in as HD.

If you have a Netflix account, log in and hit the 'Watch Instantly" tab. Then under "Genres" select "HD" for the list.

If you don't have an account you can't access the list and it's too long to copy/paste here, sorry.
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Re: hnmmmm

said by RadioDoc:

They just went live a few weeks ago so I'm still wandering around figuring out what is available, but right now it's pretty limited. We watched seven episodes from the first season of 30 Rock last night and all but the pilot locked in as HD.

If you have a Netflix account, log in and hit the 'Watch Instantly" tab. Then under "Genres" select "HD" for the list.

If you don't have an account you can't access the list and it's too long to copy/paste here, sorry.
thanks!

edit: I don't see "HD" listed.
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Re: hnmmmm

said by Fox McCloud:

edit: I don't see "HD" listed.
Hmmm....sorry about that. I have both the Roku and a Series 3 HD TiVo registered to my account so maybe you only get that if you have devices that can stream in HD.

The selection is rather underwhelming right now in any case. That should improve in the next several months.
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Re: hnmmmm

said by RadioDoc:

said by Fox McCloud:

edit: I don't see "HD" listed.
Hmmm....sorry about that. I have both the Roku and a Series 3 HD TiVo registered to my account so maybe you only get that if you have devices that can stream in HD.

The selection is rather underwhelming right now in any case. That should improve in the next several months.
odd, I figured Netflix let PC users stream HD as well.
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said by Fox McCloud:

said by RadioDoc:

Drop the $100 on the Roku box. It is also very portable if you have an 802.11g WiFi LAN available. Only the power adapter and TV connection are required. The HD content is pretty limited for now and the BD players will drop in price enough to cover your interim investment. Unless you are in the market for a Blu-ray player now, in which case you should shop for BD features first.
yeah, see, that's the thing, I'm sorta in the market for Blu-Ray, but would be more than happy to just get a Roku and watch the prices drop.....in any event, the BD-2500, Netflix or not, pretty much fits the bill for what I want in a Blu-Ray player.

I put in a suggestion to Samsung to add a feature to set the bitrate for netflix in the next firmware update...doubt they'll do this, but you never know.

say, have a list of the instant-watch HD netflix videos?
Unless you are dead set on the BD-2500 I would highly suggest just getting a PS3. Less than $100 more than the BD, and it does a hell of a lot more than simply play movies. If streaming Netflix is necessary for you then of course the PS3 wont work (yet, hopefully!). The PS3 store actually has a lot of HD content (both shows and movies), although the interface is kind of annoying in my opinion.
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Re: hnmmmm

said by wifi4milez:

said by Fox McCloud:

said by RadioDoc:

Drop the $100 on the Roku box. It is also very portable if you have an 802.11g WiFi LAN available. Only the power adapter and TV connection are required. The HD content is pretty limited for now and the BD players will drop in price enough to cover your interim investment. Unless you are in the market for a Blu-ray player now, in which case you should shop for BD features first.
yeah, see, that's the thing, I'm sorta in the market for Blu-Ray, but would be more than happy to just get a Roku and watch the prices drop.....in any event, the BD-2500, Netflix or not, pretty much fits the bill for what I want in a Blu-Ray player.

I put in a suggestion to Samsung to add a feature to set the bitrate for netflix in the next firmware update...doubt they'll do this, but you never know.

say, have a list of the instant-watch HD netflix videos?
Unless you are dead set on the BD-2500 I would highly suggest just getting a PS3. Less than $100 more than the BD, and it does a hell of a lot more than simply play movies. If streaming Netflix is necessary for you then of course the PS3 wont work (yet, hopefully!). The PS3 store actually has a lot of HD content (both shows and movies), although the interface is kind of annoying in my opinion.
thing is, I won't be replacing a whole lot of my DVDs, so the HQV chip on the Samsung will blow the PS3's upscaling out of the water.....that, and well, the PS3 doesn't have analog out, which is what I need.
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I have 30 meg DOCSIS3 now but even when I had 10 meg I had no problems streaming HD from netflix.

On my firewall I have been looking at the line speed, and generally the bandwidth that netflix uses for a HD movie (Dumb and Dumber) hovers between 1.7 meg to 4.5 meg per second.

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Future popularity in question.

If I have to compare renting from a video store to streaming, and the current market tests are any indication. A LOT of people will go back to mail-order renting or video stores. Especially if you end up with a 20-25gb cap. A family of 3 each watching 2x 1 hr shows @ Standard Definition per day & 1 feature length movie a week will run out of bandwidth in just over a couple weeks.

Many choices and agreements need to come into play between the stream provider and your ISP in order to make it worthwhile.
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Re: Future popularity in question.

We have Blockbuster Online and are pleased with it. I can watch a lot of movies and classic TV. After getting a DVD in the mail and viewing it, I can exchange it at a nearby Blockbuster for a new movie. I couldn't do that with Netflix.

Now, the Roko box sounds intriquing, like other internet-to-TV-devices, but they don't handle all content from AOL TV, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX and many others. Even IMDB has movies and TV shows for streaming.

Besides, I read that some of these gadgets don't work well with Verizon FIOS. Perhaps because they are planning to offer their own internet-to TV streaming, but that may be quite a ways off.

I have no interest in getting a video game system, but I think that as more and more content is online, more people will watch it, especially if they don't have to watch on a small PC monitor, it's easy and not expensive or complicated and requires no additional wiring running thru their house.
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Movies via 360..

Netflixs "instant watch" selection down right blows. (for movies) Not to mention the selection of any HD movies.

And Comcast seems to sputter out on delivering on streaming these movies..(6/1) tier.. Lets hope I get the upgraded 12/2 tier soon..
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Re: Movies via 360..

If it's sputtering out, Comcast is at fault either accidently or intentionally. I have no problems--even in HD--on 6016/768 DSL.
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Selection sucks...

We tried the Netflix free trial and used the Xbox streaming service and found the movie selection to be more than lacking... we couldn't find anything we wanted to watch.
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Re: Selection sucks...

Yeah the selection is a little limited now, but this is just in it's infancy. If you compare it to HBO in the 70's, when they showed the same 5 movies in a loop for a week it's about at the same point. Once the movie studios get their asses de-headed this is the future.

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All are good devices

I've used both the Roku and the Tivo HD and both of them have been great to use. I can imagine that the rest of the devices are just as good.

The best part, they're easy to use. I have my grandmother set up on the Roku and she had it figured out after 5 minutes. It doesn't get much easier than that.
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Mark F

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Re: All are good devices

CBS announced that they are putting 38,000 TV episodes online, to compete with all the offerings of Hulu and AOL TV. And, Youtube is offering MGM movies.

Since it's so easy and the price is better than VUDU, Popcorn Hour, and Slingcatcher, could you use the Roku box, without subscribing to Netflix, to stream Hulu, CBS, etc. from a PC to a big TV in another room? Or, would something else work better?
Mark F

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A question

A slightly off-topic question.... A friend told me that ANY BD-Live capable Blu-ray player can access Netflix streaming service. Is this true?

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