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1 edit | Re: in bed together said by Packeteers:verizon wants twcable to give them sweet deals on content
twcable wants verzion to stop building FiOS in docsis3 areas
FCC doing a great job as usual keeping markets competative 
redacted contract portions will only confirm what we already know.
said by tmc8080:( we won't install new FiOS in your markets if you let us sell wireless to your customers and sell us spectrum) the take-away being DATA service (internet) WILL COST MORE in a given geographic region PERIOD!
Isn't this what the DOJ used to break companies over their knee for a generation ago?
If not, time for a NEW LAW! And if you say no.. screw you republicans & libertarians as well who think the "free market" can do no wrong! Have fun filling up your car with gasoline this summer too!
There is zero proof there is a quid pro quo here with these terms. All it is is speculation by bloggers who see hobgoblins behind every bush.
And, of course competitors want to see contract details - so they can use that info to target both parties customers.
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1 edit | Re: in bed together i don't need any blogger to tell me this.
as someone who works with union electricians and building managers,
i can't find a single twcable/docsis3 served building with a fios option.
it's not coincidence, it's common sense.
at this rate the NYC FiOS build will barely reach 50% by 2015,
when Verizion would rather pay Lawyers and fines, then build,
while wireless capacity building is far more profitable for them.
conversely;
NetFlix complains regularly about content deals,
while Verizion rarely does... one wonders why. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: in bed together unions there is your problem. and two- FiOS is dead as far as building out with a small footprint left to go- which will be stopped as well.
Netflix also complains because they NEED the content that others own- and its those companies right NOT to give it to NetFlix. I don't see Blockbuster complaining. | |
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Royal Oak, MI | said by Romney2012:said by Packeteers:verizon wants twcable to give them sweet deals on content
twcable wants verzion to stop building FiOS in docsis3 areas
FCC doing a great job as usual keeping markets competative
redacted contract portions will only confirm what we already know.
said by tmc8080:( we won't install new FiOS in your markets if you let us sell wireless to your customers and sell us spectrum) the take-away being DATA service (internet) WILL COST MORE in a given geographic region PERIOD!
Isn't this what the DOJ used to break companies over their knee for a generation ago?
If not, time for a NEW LAW! And if you say no.. screw you republicans & libertarians as well who think the "free market" can do no wrong! Have fun filling up your car with gasoline this summer too!
There is zero proof there is a quid pro quo here with these terms. All it is is speculation by bloggers who see hobgoblins behind every bush. If content providers weren't allowed to own providers and vice versa, there wouldn't be any worries about "secret deals". But as it stands, nobody really knows what's going on. I always felt that the not only should the Comcast/NBC deal not go through, but all tv providers should have sold off any networks they own. Too many real and potential problems with cross-ownership and dealings with competitors. | |
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Toledo, OH | you do realize that Time Warner CABLE does not own any content right? Time Warner, Inc owns the content. TWC is not even related to TW anymore except for TWC paying to lease the name. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: in bed together thanks for pointing that out...  | |
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1 edit | corporate racketeering? ( we won't install new FiOS in your markets if you let us sell wireless to your customers and sell us spectrum) the take-away being DATA service (internet) WILL COST MORE in a given geographic region PERIOD!
Isn't this what the DOJ used to break companies over their knee for a generation ago?
If not, time for a NEW LAW! And if you say no.. screw you republicans & libertarians as well who think the "free market" can do no wrong! Have fun filling up your car with gasoline this summer too! | |
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Camden, TN | Does Congress know anything? Ok so Congress wants to take away spectrum from broadcasters and give it to at&t and Verizon because of supposed spectrum shortages. Now Verizon goes out and buys spectrum that is UNUSED by the cable companies to help alleviate their spectrum issues and now Congress is thinking about stopping that? | |
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| Re: Does Congress know anything? I don't think anyone is worried about the spectrum purchase per se... it is the agreement that Verizon Wireless will allow cable companies to bundle VZ cell service with it's cable service (directly in competition with Verizon Wireline), and that Verizon will stop selling FIOS in areas served by these cable companies. That will allow the cable companies to have a virtual monopoly on Internet and prices will go up. From what I understand, this will start only in non-FIOS areas but who knows what will happen down the line. Verizon has made it abundantly clear that they want out of landline, they want to be wireless only. Even if it means teaming up with their former competition. | |
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Toledo, OH | thats because you have groups like Free Press saying that CellCo shouldn't own or be able to buy this because it was owned by the MSOs.
But yet Free Press will be the first to bitch about something not being fair for consumers if they didn't have options. Give them options; they bitch. Take options away; they bitch. | |
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| | | | Re: Does Congress know anything? said by NWOhio:thats because you have groups like Free Press saying that CellCo shouldn't own or be able to buy this because it was owned by the MSOs.
But yet Free Press will be the first to bitch about something not being fair for consumers if they didn't have options. Give them options; they bitch. Take options away; they bitch.
Dude, you are hilariously misinformed/deluded. I can only imagine what you're like in real life. | |
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| | | | said by NWOhio:thats because you have groups like Free Press saying that CellCo shouldn't own or be able to buy this because it was owned by the MSOs.
But yet Free Press will be the first to bitch about something not being fair for consumers if they didn't have options. Give them options; they bitch. Take options away; they bitch.
Free Press...should be renamed Communist Press. They truly do not believe in property laws. at all. they want content, IPs, and telecommunications and data lines to be owned by the public at large. | |
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| | | said by BF69:Ok so Congress wants to take away spectrum from broadcasters and give it to at&t and Verizon because of supposed spectrum shortages. Now Verizon goes out and buys spectrum that is UNUSED by the cable companies to help alleviate their spectrum issues and now Congress is thinking about stopping that?
Who said anyone wanted to give that spectrum to Verizon and AT&T? The whole point is to give it to new competitors that can supply competing service to Americans. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Does Congress know anything? said by sonicmerlin:said by BF69:Ok so Congress wants to take away spectrum from broadcasters and give it to at&t and Verizon because of supposed spectrum shortages. Now Verizon goes out and buys spectrum that is UNUSED by the cable companies to help alleviate their spectrum issues and now Congress is thinking about stopping that?
Who said anyone wanted to give that spectrum to Verizon and AT&T? The whole point is to give it to new competitors that can supply competing service to Americans. Simple, if the FCC auctions off TV spectrum the only two companies that can afford it are going to be t&t and Verizon. They have the money to outbid everyone else. That's how auctions work, the ones that bid the highest win.
Also if at&t and Verizon have spectrum issues then it doesn't make sense for the FCC to auction off spectrum and give it to someone else and then at&t and Verizon still have spectrum issues. What did the auction solve? Having more compeition in a market makes no sense if the market doesn't have the needed recources to provide basic service to begin with. Since spectrum is finite all you'll have is more companies offering high prices and low caps since no one will have enough of it.
The fact is if it is necessary to take 120 MHz from broadcasters it's far better to give 60 to Verizon and 60 to at&t then giving 15 MHz to 8 different companies. If you think 15 MHz is going to be enough to produce a competitive alternative to at&t and Verizon you're kidding yourself. | |
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| | | | | Re: Does Congress know anything? If they are really interested in encouraging competition just give the spectrum to T-Mobile and Lightsquared. AT&T and Verizon obviously have enough, their business are the most profitable. | |
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