 | | What, Duopolies not good enough? We need virtual monopolies! | |
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 |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? What does this change that makes it a "virtual monopoly" instead of a "duopoly"? | |
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 |  |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? said by openbox9:What does this change that makes it a "virtual monopoly" instead of a "duopoly"? Verizon received local FiOS TV franchises as well as breaks at the state level based on the promise the public would benefit from them competing with cable TV. Now Verizon is in bed with cable so yes it is a very real problem. Nothing that Verizon is doing may be technically illegal but their ethics under their current CEO stinks. | |
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 |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? Come on. VZ invested billions of dollars into local economies based on those promises too. I honestly don't see how this changes the landscape much. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? said by openbox9:Come on. VZ invested billions of dollars into local economies based on those promises too. I honestly don't see how this changes the landscape much. Yes and you had significant difficulty understanding how the FCC's conditional approval of Lightsquared's business plan was a legitimate and properly conducted regulatory procedure.
Everyone but you can see that this agreement will completely eliminate any chance of FIOS expansion and cause prices to rise across the nation. Verizon didn't invest *their own* money into these markets. They invested their duopoly profits, garnished from the subscriptions of their captive subscriber base, back into the markets, after siphoning off huge profits for executive bonuses. | |
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 |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | We should all protest and move to Korea. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? South Korea I hope you mean. Its a lovely country with low taxes and even cheaper health care.
People there are generally happy. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? South Korea also heavily censors their internet too. Its extremely Catholic / Christian country and censors movies, games, and publications it deems too harsh for the conservative sentiments of the country.
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 |  |  |  |  4 edits | Re: What, Duopolies not good enough? said by Prim :South Korea also heavily censors their internet too. Its extremely Catholic / Christian country and censors movies, games, and publications it deems too harsh for the conservative sentiments of the country.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship···th_Korea In theory yes. In practice, its like anywhere in Asia. There are more porn / sex shops than I have ever seen in the US. It is so prevalent that I suspect this is why the conservatives passed this legislation.
There was a "love shop" aka sex/porn shop within spitting distance to the middle school I taught at. Can you Imagine that in the US?
Also, none of the ISP's I used censored porn or any websites ( or any English content for that matter )
In actuality, SK is way more open than anything I've seen in the US with regards to sexual attitudes but this is common in Asia. Take a walk at night in Suwon and you will see what I mean very quickly.
As far as other censoring I can't speak too as my Korean is just not good enough. | |
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 EvelKubKitty is crazyPremium join:2002-03-17 Mesa, AZ | Faster speeds? Actually, Verizon LTE gives me faster speeds (specifically upload) than my CABLE internet connection... | |
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 |  FBGuyPremium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL 1 edit | Re: Faster speeds? I STAND CORRECTED | |
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| said by FBGuy:article is about Verizon, not Verizon Wireless. If you read the quote in the article it specifically names Verizon Wireless and LTE is Verizon Wireless. | |
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| Re: Faster speeds? said by Pathfinder:said by FBGuy:article is about Verizon, not Verizon Wireless. If you read the quote in the article it specifically names Verizon Wireless and LTE is Verizon Wireless. If there's one thing I remember from my time at VZ, it was the constant talk about :when are we going to "buy out" Vodaphone's 45% interest in Wireless. It WILL happen someday. -- "My hat, my cane, Jeeves". | |
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So the article is about both. | |
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 | | Fairpoint and Frontier... may very well be incompetent boobs, but they are far from 9 year old children that were convinced to go snipe hunting. Their lack of ability to compete in the future lies squarely at the the feet of Frontier and Fairpoint management. | |
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 huh @comcast.net | curious Yes Verizon is majority owner of Verizon Wireless, but aren't they still different businesses? | |
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 |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:7 | Re: curious said by huh :Yes Verizon is majority owner of Verizon Wireless, but aren't they still different businesses? CeLLCo Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless is a joint partnership between Verizon Communications (55%) and Vodafone (45%). While the partnership may be separate legal entity, profits are funneled back up to Verizon Communications and booked on the parent company's income statements.
So to answer your question, no, they are more like a parent/subsidiary (although subsidiary may not be the official legal definition). | |
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 |  |  CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 | Re: curious Not to mention that VZW (the US portion) was built entirely with profits earned by Verizon Communications... they were never anything but a subsidiary of Verizon. | |
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 |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | For the time being. Don't think for a second that VZ doesn't want to be a full owner (much like when AT&T bought out Bellsouth). | |
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| How I see it Comcast (which has all franchise agreements) provides TV services, and Verizon will provide the data and infrastructure. If both of these companies were to merge their networks it would be a savings for both companies, but I do see massive layoffs on both sides. Not sure about how the pricing would be affected once they monopolize an area. | |
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 |  newviewEx .. Ex .. ExactlyPremium join:2001-10-01 Parsonsburg, MD kudos:1 | Re: How I see it said by Sr Tech:Not sure about how the pricing would be affected once they monopolize an area. History has shown that when Comcast monopolizes an area, pricing is generally lower & some special offerings are only applicable in those areas. A Verizon / Comcast deal would only further those agendas. | |
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 | | Err... Just to play devil's advocate, Hasn't been AT&T been doing this for the better part of a decade now with DirecTV (following the SBC / Cingular deal)? Why is it suddenly a problem? | |
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| So... This explains why Frontier has gone back to advertising FiOS TV: they're stuck with the FiOS network--especially since Verizon moved regulated POTS over to it in the Pacific Northwest before bailing--so they might as well get as much bang for the buck as possible. Customers are increasingly disinterested in land line service, and in the leafy, hilly PNW getting satellite service can be a pain in the hindquarters. If Frontier can get people locked into 2-year contracts for double- and triple-play bundles, that decreases the per-subscriber cost for the network and helps pay down its debt.
Part of me wonders if Comcast didn't begin its roll-out of this new partnership in Washington and Oregon precisely because company managers knew Frontier would be weak competition. | |
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| Re: So... Weak or not, Frontier still isn't Comcast, so I'll be a subscriber... At least Frontier hasn't shown its desire to be like Comcast; we still have no caps, and far better upload speeds than any residential plan from Comcast. | |
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| Re: So... said by BooVerizon :Frontier can't afford the content for the Fios networks they got from verizon. Ex: HBO costs too much for them (Frontier) to provide it for there subscribers I'm not sure what you mean, considering that HBO (channel 899) is currently active for my CableCARDs and Frontier gave it to me for free two days ago... | |
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 | | knew this would happen When frontier bought verizon's properties I had a feeling verizon would wait for frontier to not be able to upgrade them then come back to the public service commisions wanting to buy those areas back up for pennies on the dollar. It's like the kid that sells the baseball card for $20 then a year later after it isn't worth anything comes and gets it for $1 when he knows the person is going to have a breakout year. Thus reaping a $19 profit. | |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | If agreement done over round of golf; no one will prove it
If this is an undocumented agreement done by CEOs over a round of golf, the FCC will never be able to prove a thing. Who is to say whether Verizon has halted Fios expansion as part of a deal with Comcast or for 1 of a dozen other reasons. Especially since the deal was done AFTER Verizon already halted expansion. Ultimately it will be up to Verizon's CEO whether Fios expansion goes forward or not and why he makes that decision will ONLY really be known to him. He can give other reasons to satisfy his Board of Directors that I am sure they would buy.
As for Comcast, selling off the spectrum leases to Verizon are easily justified as a way of disposing of assets it no longer intends on using and getting paid for them. -- The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. »www.politico.com/2012-election/
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 axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | You can force a company to NOT do something, but... You shouldn't force them to spend money except for safety/privacy standards. If Verizon doesn't want to expand FIOS, why should they? In theory, it leaves room for a competitor to do what they won't.
How about some municipal broadband on fiber? UTOPIA isn't making money yet, but they are providing a lot of good services to businesses in Utah. | |
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 BiggA join:2005-11-23 EARTH | FIOS was already dead The dumb shareholders killed it. Plus, most of Comcast's footprint doesn't overlap with Verizon's. AT&T is much bigger than Verizon, and we all know that they don't care about competing with Comcast on the TV side. | |
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| frontier, fairpoint footprint What is likely to happen is Verizon might not get to lay down (LTE) wireless footprint in former Frontier / Fairpiont footprint.. since much of this deal puts the much of Appalaica mountainous eastern states in a virtual monopoly on par with Qwest(now Century [old]Tel). This is the CONSEQUENCE for killing FIOS deployment and shuting billions of $$ in debt to worthless companies-- also supporting monopolization of the wireless industry with a scheme by which AT&T acquires Tmobile.
Some way, some how this is all leading to USAGE BASED BILLING and INTERNET CENSORSHIP.. slowly tick, by tick... underhanded shareholder backed scheme by scheme.. The time has well past when some of these municiaplites need to funde FTTP projects of their own and tell the corrupt politicans to go scratch their ass with a broken bottle. | |
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 | | Is this the future?......you can cancel the future So now what? Does the future of the internet mean that we will have to deal with a even greater push for mobile such that land lines will be completely eliminated and therefore be forced to use mobile as our primary way to connect to the web and therefore be subjugated with limited bandwidth and low caps with huge overages because they can? | |
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 | | Sprint I knew from the headline before clicking on the article that Sprint was behind this. They should have put their iPhone cash behind their own brand and actually compete instead of spending it on the iPhone crazy and behind all these lawsuits.
A waste of money. Time for Sprint to find a new CEO. | |
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 BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | What's the problem with the deal? As far as selling the spectrum there shouldn't be an issue. Cable is squatting on it not using it and Verizon needs spectrum. I'd rather Verizon buy spectrum from companies not using the spectrum they have than the FCC take away OTA TV spectrum and give it to Verizon. Because in the end those are your choices. | |
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| nickled, dimed and jacked Verizon is beginning to pass on new surcharges for digital voice & cable-tv so watch your bills... trickling higher to the point you'll actually do something about it (like cancel these services).
AT&T and Verizon wireless are heading down a duopoly road which will put them on a collision course with the FCC/DOJ. Just a matter of time before the regulatory hammer comes crashing down. A quid-quo-pro system in which Verizon exploits customers the cable companies don't want anyway (wireless) is a win-win-lose(you guessed it, the customers) game that Comcast and AT&T have been playing in wireline for the better part of a decade! | |
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