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Congress Realizes Broadband Data Sucks
Finally does something about it years later...
by Karl Bode Thursday 19-Jul-2007 tags: legal · competition · fcc · coverage · Op/Ed · legislation · stats
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User erin1 writes in: "The Senate Commerce Committee today voted unanimously in favor of S. 1492 (pdf), which would require the FCC to come up with a revised definition for broadband within 120 days of the bill's enactment, report broadband access by nine-digit ZIP codes rather than five, and create a $40 million, five-year matching grant program for organizations that work to spur broadband adoption."

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The FCC has long qualified anything over 200kbps as broadband, and considers a zip-code to be "wired" for service if just one user in that zip-code has service. This has led to countless rosy FCC reports, despite very obvious coverage gaps when the states themselves look more closely. Rosy reports make the FCC look good and telco/cable lobbyists very happy.

Only recently did the FCC admit their methodology is flawed, though they've been largely uncooperative when consumer advocates have tried to obtain more comprehensive broadband data. This push to improve the data collection comes nearly a half-decade after people (us included) started really griping.

It should only take another five years to decide how to properly measure broadband, and perhaps another five after that to determine how exactly to proceed -- at which point hopefully we'll all already have 10Gbps firing directly into our cerebellums.

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Pashune
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Heh...

About time something "gets done", but I'm not holding my breath. Only time will tell.

ifarrell

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Re: Heh...

Shouldn't that have been "Congress realizes they suck"???

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Re: Heh...

they already know that.

in polls they make president bush look like a star.

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It's time to re-classify it all.

It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with.

Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet.. Phone, 'Television Signals', and other services are all being sent via IP now.. it's time to bring definitions into modern ways of thinking.

No more should AT&T be able to say they aren't offering Television because it's "packets" and Cable operators should not be able to say they are an "information service" and not the internet and then turn around and sell High Speed "Internet"... Vonage, SunRocket, ViaTalk, Packet8, and Cable VoIP services should be handled as phone and not "information service" since you pick up a hand set, dial 7, 10, or 11 digits, make another phone somewhere ring, and carry a conversation. And CERTAINLY, providers like Verizon should not be able to say "It's Fiber, not phone" while they cut out the ILEC copper lines and replace them with non-regulated fiber lines. If they are the ILEC, and are allowed to cut homes out of the LEC picture, the way I see it, they are either no longer interested in being the ILEC *OR* they are simply upgrading their ILEC plant with fiber over copper and should do the whole service area.

Until they get over the "transport" method for definition and look at the service "intent" itself, we will never advance technology wise. Our 3rd and 4th branches of government (Congress and Corporations) are playing the people of this country for fools.

One of the easiest ways to handle this is be honest in definitions of these services and what the internet really is.
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Re: It's time to re-classify it all.

*Applause* Amen to that.

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said by fiberguy:

It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with.

Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet..
Well the internet is not a truck you know. It's a series of tubes. Your ham sandwich clogging the tubes is probably why I didn't get the internet that someone sent me yesterday.

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Re: It's time to re-classify it all.

said by BF69:

said by fiberguy:

It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with.

Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet..
Well the internet is not a truck you know. It's a series of tubes. Your ham sandwich clogging the tubes is probably why I didn't get the internet that someone sent me yesterday.
All right, which one of you two had my launch at work?!

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Re: It's time to re-classify it all.

said by Jodokast96:

said by BF69:

said by fiberguy:

It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with.

Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet..
Well the internet is not a truck you know. It's a series of tubes. Your ham sandwich clogging the tubes is probably why I didn't get the internet that someone sent me yesterday.
All right, which one of you two had my launch at work?!
I lol'd.

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"It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with."

I second that!
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said by fiberguy:

Our 3rd and 4th branches of government (Congress and Corporations) are playing the people of this country for fools.
Playing?
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More money?

What happened to all the money Clinton gave them? O I forgot taxpayers have deep pockets. My bad.
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If you think it's bad now..

..just wait till the Feds get involved

Seriously, outside of military what has the Federal government been involved in that they did not screw up completely?
They'll force DSL to be provided in the ghetto, no one there will want it or no one there will pay for it and then all our rates will go up.

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Re: If you think it's bad now..

said by clecssuck:

..just wait till the Feds get involved

Seriously, outside of military what has the Federal government been involved in that they did not screw up completely?
They'll force DSL to be provided in the ghetto, no one there will want it or no one there will pay for it and then all our rates will go up.
=] I'm in the ghetto and have DSL. Poor DSL, but it's DSL @ 1.5 mbit. Can't get anything higher.

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What about satellite?

Technically there is 100% coverage since anyone can get satellite internet.

Latency should be a factor in what broadband is along with speed.

Using latency (at least to the end of their network) would force companies to use better equipment and not oversell their networks. If they oversell their networks and average latency becomes terrible they should loose their broadband status.

Also then satellite service could not be marketed as broadband, but just a high speed connection because of its terrible latency.
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Re: What about satellite?

said by r81984:

Technically there is 100% coverage since anyone can get satellite internet.

Not if there is a HOUSE or trees blocking a view of the satellite you cant. You MUST have a clear southwest view to get it.

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Re: What about satellite?

The FCC is counting a whole zip code if just one person can get broadband in an area.
I do not know where you live but at least someone in a whole zip code should be able to get satellite.

Satellite is available everywhere.
Thats right trees can be cut, dishes can be placed on top of buildings, dishes can be placed on 50 foot poles or even ham radio towers. If you think you cannot get satellite somewhere then you are not trying hard enough.

I guess in the extreme case you would happen to live across of the north side of the sears tower you would not be able to use satellite as you might have a problem running your own coax to a dish outside of the buildings shadow.
Anyways if you live in a city you probably have the option of both DSL and cable internet so satellite internet would be a waste of money.

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Re: What about satellite?

said by r81984:

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Satellite is available everywhere.
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so what. satellite is not broadband. it's a very expensive, slightly better than dialup connection.

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Re: What about satellite?

You can consider Satellite a "broadband" connection when the providers make it to where downloading windows updates or other files over 250 meg in size dont make your connection stop working for 24 hours. (hughesnet)
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said by nasadude:

said by r81984:

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Satellite is available everywhere.
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so what. satellite is not broadband. it's a very expensive, slightly better than dialup connection.
It meets the FCC's definition.

So now your whole Zip Code has BroadBand.

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said by r81984:

Satellite is available everywhere.
Thats right trees can be cut, dishes can be placed on top of buildings, dishes can be placed on 50 foot poles or even ham radio towers. If you think you cannot get satellite somewhere then you are not trying hard enough.
Ummmm, nope.

You can't cut down someone else's trees just so you can put up a dish. Ham radio towers are not cheap by any means and even not allowed in many neighborhoods with HOAs. Even a 50 foot pole would be useless unless done right (as in not moving with the wind.)

The map shown above discounts satellite for a reason.

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Re: What about satellite?

Ummmmmmmmmmm, Yeah.
"A 50 foot pool is useless, unless done right"
Then do it right, duh.
"Ham radio towers are not cheap"
If you want satellite internet bad enough then you will buy one.

I guess if you live in an area with a crapload of tall trees that shadow the southern sky from your roof, a Home Owners Association banning towers or poles on top of your house, no DSL, and no cable internet, and no local wifi then your just stuck with Dial-Up, ISDN, or a T1.

Isn't a T1 also available everywhere, so technically everyone can get either a T1 or Satellite connection, so we have 100% coverage?
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Re: What about satellite?

said by r81984:

Ummmmmmmmmmm, Yeah.
"A 50 foot pool is useless, unless done right"
Then do it right, duh.
"Ham radio towers are not cheap"
If you want satellite internet bad enough then you will buy one.
First off, a 50 pool would never work unless you have a lot of guide wires holding it in place. Not a small footprint. A ham radio tower would start at about $2000 and that's if you can, again, mount those guide wires someplace.

Let's add to that a dish needs to be on a SOLID mount. That means NOT MOVING. It's like a vertical or beam antenna. Even a little sway will cause the connection to be bad.

said by r81984:

Isn't a T1 also available everywhere, so technically everyone can get either a T1 or Satellite connection, so we have 100% coverage?
Nope, wrong again. A T1 is not available in all locations.

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Re: What about satellite?

Your contradictory statments are crazy.

If you have money and determination you can put a dish anywhere.
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Re: What about satellite?

said by r81984:

Your contradictory statments are crazy.

If you have money and determination you can put a dish anywhere.
Please, oh supposed wise one, how are they contradictory?

You can't put a dish anywhere. If you put up a tower or large pole, you have to make sure it that, if it falls, that it falls on your own property. Most ham towers are designed to twist and fold on themselves if they do come down. Add to that, the big foot print of those guy wires that you might have the room for.

Also, unlike DBS TV service, satellite internet is not protected under the FCC's OTA (Over The Air) rules so any HOA can ban them.

Try again.

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said by r81984:

Your contradictory statments are crazy.

If you have money and determination you can put a dish anywhere.
Your telling me if i had enough money i could put my 10 ft dish inside my house and it will work? Please

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Re: What about satellite?

Do you really think a dish would work inside a house??
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Re: What about satellite?

If you have money and determination you can put a dish anywhere.

You said anywhere.

Need to READ what you say.
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said by r81984:

If you think anywhere, in terms of a dish that must have line of sight to the southern sky, meant inside a basement, bedroom, on the moom, underwater, on mars, on an asteroid, in your shower, and etc. then you need to need to wait a few years until you mature and come back to this site and reread all the comments before that post. If you are any smarter by then you will not come to the same stupid conclusion.
Not every site can put up a tower, nor can every site use the parts of the house. Apartment buildings are another concern (as I said earlier, the internet dishes do NOT fall under the protection of the FCC's OTA rules.)

The fact still remains that a tower or 50 foot pole solution is not as simple as you make it seem.

Keep trying, you might get it right one day.

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Re: What about satellite?

The argument here is that I said if you have money and determination you can get satellite. I never said it would be simple or easy. My point was if you really want satellite you can get it, you just need to be determined. Maybe you lack skills to be innovative, but there are many innovative people out there that have done what it took to get broadband internet no matter what the cost.

You said I was full of crap, and now you say WELL, that would work but it would not be simple.

How can you call me stupid and then say my idea would work in the same post???

Make up your mind about how you want to take an argument before you post. You just got pwned.
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Pashune
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said by hayabusa3303:

said by r81984:

Technically there is 100% coverage since anyone can get satellite internet.

Not if there is a HOUSE or trees blocking a view of the satellite you cant. You MUST have a clear southwest view to get it.
Don't worry. All you'd have to do is get a bunch of repeaters and a tower anywhere from 50 ft to 2-3 miles high.

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said by hayabusa3303:

Not if there is a HOUSE or trees blocking a view of the satellite you cant. You MUST have a clear southwest view to get it.
One of these will solve that problem
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Re: What about satellite?

said by pnh102:

said by hayabusa3303:

Not if there is a HOUSE or trees blocking a view of the satellite you cant. You MUST have a clear southwest view to get it.
One of these will solve that problem
That would be good next door might be pissed tho...lmfao

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That would make a nice nick in the Redwoods up here, that's about it lol I don't think I'd want to cut one down just to get a signal though, too beautiful.

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satellite does not count as broadband.

it is the dialup of the new age.

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Re: What about satellite?

said by DrModem:

satellite does not count as broadband.

it is the dialup of the new age.
New features include a slightly increased download speed and extended ping times!

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at which point hopefully we'll all already have 10Gbps firing directly into our cerebellums.

i WANT this

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They just realized the sky was blue

Congress just realized the sky was blue. Most of Congress is ignorant to just about everything around them. About the only thing they know how to do is throw parties, spend other people's money and spew a lot of hot air.

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said by viperpa33s:

Congress just realized the sky was blue. Most of Congress is ignorant to just about everything around them. About the only thing they know how to do is throw parties, spend other people's money and spew a lot of hot air.
And collect payola for doing the bidding of their corporate masters at the expense of Americans.
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