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kudos:2 | Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? Not unless some company starts up and offers 3G data at a much more reasonable price with a larger cap (20GB-30GB). | |
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 |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? said by Rob:Not unless some company starts up and offers 3G data at a much more reasonable price with a larger cap (20GB-30GB). The existing cell tower infrastructure can't support the load that raised caps would put on them.
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| | | | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? said by ThrowDemsOut:said by Rob:Not unless some company starts up and offers 3G data at a much more reasonable price with a larger cap (20GB-30GB). The existing cell tower infrastructure can't support the load that raised caps would put on them. It depends on how you look at it. A neighborhood all downloading torrents at the same time? Yeah, no one will be able to use their cell phones. 1-2 people doing casual surfing downloading...it will probably be fine.
But, this is why god brought down the wonderful concept of QOS. If 10 people are all bit-torrenting at once then throttle them and other heavy users to low bandwidth to allow other users the ability to use it. Makes sense no? Kick back the heavy use users, while allowing the average users a good "user experience". Or we can take the illogical Comcast approach and just block everything under the sun (ok so they just blocked torrents).
If companies are really worried about the towers not supporting all the users, then we have bigger problems...like where are our monthly payments going to? I mean on average a person pays $50/month, times what? a million customers? This is 2009 and not 1999, either the companies get with the times or leave the industry. | |
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| said by ThrowDemsOut:said by Rob:Not unless some company starts up and offers 3G data at a much more reasonable price with a larger cap (20GB-30GB). The existing cell tower infrastructure can't support the load that raised caps would put on them. Part of the problem is fiber, its taking more time then expected to get fiber delivered, so there is a delay, i think in a year or 2. Wireless is going to catch up to at least compete with DSL.
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| | |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? said by DaveDude:Part of the problem is fiber, its taking more time then expected to get fiber delivered, so there is a delay, i think in a year or 2. Wireless is going to catch up to at least compete with DSL. And the underlying problem (why you need fiber to each cell site) is that the backhaul sucks.
AT&T's network is a perfect example. HSPA is capable of speeds well in excess of the iPhone's hardware (~3.something megabits/s). The reason you'll never see those speeds is because the backhaul (tower->tower links, either microwave, some sort of local loop, or otherwise) isn't fast enough for all the load.
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? yep. They're T1's for the most part. Doesn't make much sense to me upgrade the hardware for anything above the regular ol 1.8mbps HSDPA when your backhaul is only 1.5mbps... The 3.6 and 7.2mbps upgrades are a waste of money until then. | |
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| | | | said by ThrowDemsOut:said by Rob:Not unless some company starts up and offers 3G data at a much more reasonable price with a larger cap (20GB-30GB). The existing cell tower infrastructure can't support the load that raised caps would put on them. That is what "first come first serve" is for! Also, data compression would help quite a bit. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? Not really.. Data compression can only do so much. When the file is already compressed, it's useless. | |
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| | | |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? It comes down to the following:
1. There's a limited amount of spectrum (varies by market/county/MTA/BTA) accessible to any site.
2. Cell site 'density' (allowing for 'reuse' of spectrum). Sites aren't cheap (equipment, NIMBY, power, backhaul). Sprint worked out well here in SoCal, as they purchased Nextel, and added their CDMA sites onto Nextel cell sites (bypassing NIMBY/site build and many slow regulatory processes).
3. Use (data/voice) management
Balancing the above 3 while attempting to make profit margins demanded by Wall Street isn't always an easy job.
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| | NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
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Tucson, AZ | said by ThrowDemsOut:The existing cell tower infrastructure can't support the load that raised caps would put on them. The burden shouldn't be on the customer to keep his usage of "unlimited" data "fair," it should be the provider's obligation to do just that, provide service.
I agree that they can't support load. I don't agree that this is the problem of the consumer.
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Camden, TN | Re: Could 3G data price cuts soon make an appearance? said by djrobx:In the case of wireless I think 5GB caps actually make some sense. I don't think mobile broadband networks are currently up to handling people using them to serve torrents, sling TV, or stream music several hours a day. So, I think it's priced and limited to deter people from using it as a primary source of iternet. IF you're only using it for MOBILE then sure 5 GB is enough, BUT these companies like to state how you can use this for your PC. And frankly 5 GB is a joke. For those that don't have access to DSL or cable this COULD be an alternative. 5 GB? Dial-up potentially uses 17 GB a month. also the overage fees are outrageous $256 per GB for Verizon $503 per GB for at&t. There isn't ANY justification for that. WHile I understand that they can't offer caps like Comcast or Charter in the 250 GB range they certainly can offer say 25 GB. And $1 per GB is certainly enough for them to pay for costs and make some money. | |
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| | Price Decrease? Are you kidding? Of course not.
3G slows because business are not spending as much money. People are getting laid off. The people getting laid, the companies have no reason to add additional users.
This will never penetrate the consumer market at the prices and restrictions these companies want for the service (except in areas where they can't get cable/dsl).
A friend of mine asked me about getting a card two weeks ago? I was like, "are you crazy?" The price is ridiculous. They cap the service and you can get much more from you DSL.
I have a card from Verizon provided by my company. So I use their service and it basically sucks. The speeds are not good and that's when I can actually get connected.
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kudos:2 | I'd buy a 5GB data plan... ...once it sells for $10/mo.
I don't mind the cap that much- it's not like I'll be downloading stuff over 3G, it'll be used primarily for work. But it's the price that's the real killer. $10-15 I can live with - $60?? no thanks. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Love my unlimited data.. I still have my unlimited data plan from Alltel. It's teathered to my PPC-6800 using WMWifiRouter. Although I pay around $100/mo for phone and data, it's been worth it on several occasions.
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| | 3g Joke If you are so addicted to your stupid cell phone internet connection then you should have to pay alot for it. Most of the time you can wait to get home and use your cable or dsl connection there. This is primarly a business function or a toy for the monitarily gifted. | |
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|  RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | Re: 3g Joke said by molecriket:If you are so addicted to your stupid cell phone internet connection then you should have to pay alot for it. Most of the time you can wait to get home and use your cable or dsl connection there. This is primarly a business function or a toy for the monitarily gifted. That is some logic, some weird logic. | |
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| | protecting their wired networks the other reason there are caps and that it's expensive is that they are trying to protect their wired networks. That's the infrastructure that can handle the higher speeds and it's already in place. If people went to wireless, it would make the wires obsolete. | |
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| | P2P P2P is the problem.
Managing a very busy computer service shop (one of my hats) I regularly see 20-40 GBs of music in the Limewire folder of customer's systems, not to mention the videos that have been deleted. They are sharing these files as well.
Not to get in to the morality of this practice, these folks are raping their Internet connections. These are not the savvy folks that hang out at DSLR, but just folks who want "their music".
The cellular networks will never be able to handle the kind of bandwidth required for the insane consumption P2P requires.
That's the major reason the 5GB caps are in place.
I also agree that for many users given the state of the economy 3G is a luxury/novelty that's easy to do away with. | |
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| | My $.02 My Wife and I are currently staying with her Mother to help her throught the last few months of her life (cancer is a you know what) and we don't want to add any stress on to her, but we needed an Internet connection. We got 1 aircard, which my wife use's at work quite often, but not for work purposes. She likes to stream netflix when she has down time. Recently, they called us because we had went over out 5GB cap, and they told me it was over 1.2 MB.. thats alot of money, but they took care of it being our "first offense". I am just so upset that something simple, like this, and she eats up the 5GB in a 3 week period. It makes me so upset for getting it, and having to do this. | |
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | 3g and 5 gigs, please The tight restrictions on verizon 3g and 5 gig caps? it is no wonder it is not taking off, on top of it costing 60 a month. if they truly want it mainstream they will remove the restrictions and lower the price. In the meantime it is priced for the high end consumer, not for the masses. they know how to do more volume, and they have yet to do it. | |
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| | | Re: 3g and 5 gigs, please 5gb not enough to justify at 60 dollars a month. Cap too low, cost too much. Just like article says, if you got 60 dollars a month to blow, for a service you have to be overly paranoid to use cause you may go over, and thus are limited to a few pages of web surfing and email download, then fine. I don't, and won't waste my money on that. And, I continue to enjoy company copy catting. They ALL have to have a 5 gb cap. What's up with that? How about some originality, like Crickett. | |
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