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Regardless of their exploiting outdated and engineered US laws by spinning off separate company's for each division.
Internet- wired or wireless, voice, and TV are all data and carriers should all be considered as data carriers and be regulated as such. -- There is no greater sign of a general decay of virtue in a nation, than a want of zeal in its inhabitants for the good of their country. ~ Joseph Addison | |
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1 edit | said by gaforces :If cable has a cap, telco should too. They are getting too big and this merger/buyout should not be allowed. The cellular market is far more competitive than the cable market, because for the most part everyone overlaps and you can choose from usually four (sometimes less, sometimes more) carriers, while in cable the best you can hope for is one single cableco and maybe a telco TV service, and in some rare areas an overbuilder- three at most, usually one. The markets aren't remotely comparable. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: No market cap? They can only do away with it after your contract. If you keep the same contract and just go month to month then they can't take it. Sign a new contract from them. and BOOM! gone.
By this means more cell customers that you can call for free. | |
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| Re: No market cap? They can take it away just like a text message price increase, its just usually they have the courtesy to not do it. Alltel already discontinued My Circle in its tiny NorthWest CT territory a long time ago in preparation for the transfer of that market to Verizon (it was a severe odd duck, it was 100s of miles from the nearest Alltel market, Alltel took it over from Cingular when Cingular bought ATT, FCC required selling it away since then in that market A & B blocks would be owned by Cingular, all of B block is Cingular, all of A block except for that 1 market was Verizon, the 1 A block other than Verizon was ATT Wireless, so that market naturally goes to Verizon). | |
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join:2005-10-18 Phoenix, AZ | Re: No market cap? I have to disagree with you. Now you'll be able to talk to 80 million people for free!
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| Re: No market cap? said by questionable :I have to disagree with you. Now you'll be able to talk to 80 million people for free! LOL Absolutely correct.
We should go back to one telephone company that meets all our needs again! The technology has changed...from then 30s it makes sense now  | |
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"Now you'll be able to talk to 80 million people for free."
But I only want 10 and I don't care what network (if any) they're on. I refuse to by my children cell phones until they get to a responsible age. And part of my family is on USCC for no other choice.
I do most of my calling after 7 and on weekends so no big deal, but when I need to call home (land line) or emergency's or ???? It seems to me that I should have some option to do so.
Anyone who keeps in contact with a person who is in a care facility (nursing home) or relative else where who needs to be in contact via land line, pays 40 cents per minute after their "any time" allotment (usually minutes burned other things quick calls) ... that's outrageous enough ... with the for phones we have now it's a $125 per month bill ...
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| Re: No market cap? said by iLive4Apple :said by AZ_OGM :T-Mobile has a Circle feature called "My Faves" Although it's only for 5 people, its better than what VZW and Death Star have to offer. The problem is, that T-Mobile phones won't have service in the places Alltel does to use the my faves feature. Sprint has free in market roaming, which is a major lifesaver for it. T-Mobile is insane they don't do it. I guess DT is too snoobish to admit they need it. | |
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| said by gaforces :If cable has a cap, telco should too. They are getting too big and this merger/buyout should not be allowed. Vz isn't a telco. They are a wireless company. | |
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1 edit | Hmm could be good could be bad IF they take the best things from each company I think this will be a great merger.
But honestly what the likeliness of that happening?
I'm a Verizon Customer and It saves me a ton of money a month (fiancee talks to people back east who have Verizon ALOT), but i just don't see verizon doing the 5 10 or 20 plans that everyone loves altel for | |
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| Re: Hmm could be good could be bad said by ftthz :hopefully it won't end up like the sprint / nextel deal Probably not, as Verizon and Alltel uses the same CDMA technology with EVDO. -- Yo te digo, el mundo esta jodido | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Hmm could be good could be bad With this deal, Verizon Wireless would have a cellular license and service in almost any part of the country. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Re: Hmm could be good could be bad That would be nice in southeast Ohio where Verizon Wireless is building out there network with PCS with towers going up every 4-5 miles apart in places that AT&T and Alltel havent even put cellular to use yet! Just too bad this didn't happen earlier so they only had to put up half the towers and combined it with Alltel service that already exisited here. | |
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| said by Boricua65 :said by ftthz :hopefully it won't end up like the sprint / nextel deal Probably not, as Verizon and Alltel uses the same CDMA technology with EVDO. What will Verizon do with Alltel's GSM roam-only network/equipment? Shut it down to spite ATT/T-Mobile and make people realize how bad GSM is in this country? | |
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| said by patcat88 :said by Boricua65 :said by ftthz :hopefully it won't end up like the sprint / nextel deal Probably not, as Verizon and Alltel uses the same CDMA technology with EVDO. What will Verizon do with Alltel's GSM roam-only network/equipment? Shut it down to spite ATT/T-Mobile and make people realize how bad GSM is in this country? GSM is an intercarrier compensation toll booth
not really a reason for vz to buy, incidental revenue at best | |
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3 edits | If this happens I would want to see the FCC mandate V to raise there data caps. IMHO a product billed as broadband that can reach its cap in less than 1 day of is 30 day cycle is not broadband. I think 60 GB a month would be fair. My only internet in my home is Alltel evdo rev 0 via a KR2 router. There are 5 computer in my home. thats 5 x the windows updates, and I do play around with some of the new Linux distributions. If I were forced to verizons 5 GB and $.49 cents for every additional MB it would cost me $6600 a year before tax if I went over 1 GB a month. Now it costs me $720 a year before tax. Things like this bother me a lot too.
"Verizon Wireless And Kyocera Wireless Data Solutions Join Forces To Give Customers Efficiency And Mobility
Award-Winning Solutions Integrate the Passport KPC650 PC Card, Kyocera 200 Module and KR1 Mobile Router Over the Verizon Wireless EV-DO Network" --- That is from verizons web sight. --- I have a KR1 router too, but I do like the KR2 better.
"(ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections; (iii)" --- That is what alltel sold me the service for.
"(vii) running software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle, or "keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless' requirements for such usage, which may be changed from time to time." --- That is from verizons web sight.
Why have Verizon Wireless And Kyocera Wireless Data Solutions joined forces to give customers efficiency and mobility if "BroadbandAccess is for individual use only," you can not use a router to keep the connection active and share it. | |
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| Re: Hmm could be good could be bad said by lvlorpheus :If this happens I would want to see the FCC mandate V to raise there data caps. IMHO a product billed as broadband that can reach its cap in less than 1 day of is 30 day cycle is not broadband. Keep dreaming, it would take an act of congress to get the FCC to regulate any kind of internet access. | |
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| Re: Hmm could be good could be bad said by patcat88 :said by lvlorpheus :If this happens I would want to see the FCC mandate V to raise there data caps. IMHO a product billed as broadband that can reach its cap in less than 1 day of is 30 day cycle is not broadband. Keep dreaming, it would take an act of congress to get the FCC to regulate any kind of internet access. Give it time...internet access is/will be the new dial-tone. | |
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| Can you hear me now? Verizon will be converting all of its existing Alltel subscribers into Verizon customers. The tradition with Verizon absorbing other companies is to rebrand everything as Verizon, but grandfather existing contracts. So existing Alltel customers can live out the balance of their contracts under their existing rate plans. In some cases, those rate plans will remain unless/until a customer cancels service altogether. Verizon has some grandfathered access plans that are still available to existing customers from companies long ago absorbed into the Verizon Wireless family. New people cannot sign up for them, and if you leave and try and come back, you can't under the old plan.
However, over time, Verizon's own plans look more and more attractive than a locked plan left over from a past merger, so eventually they do away with legacy plans when enough people drop them.
The alternative for Verizon is to simply force people to switch to a Verizon plan upon the expiration of their current Alltel contract.
What will be unlikely is for Verizon to adapt any Alltel features for rollout to the entire country. I'm sure if there was a competitive reason to do so, they wouldn't have waited for a merger with Alltel to roll them out. | |
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| Re: Can you hear me now? Unfortunately, no competitive reason to do so. Verizon has the least features of any "big five" plan at a given price point (Alltel has My Circle, Sprint has 7 pm nights and weekends, AT&T has rollover, T-Mobile has lots more minutes) and will probably continue the trend.
Also is it just me or have Verizon's plans not changed for several years as far as regular voice plans go (messaging and data plans are a different story but they're still rather expensive), but for the introduction of unlimited service, which Alltel also has? I'm thinking that their plans, pending competition from another carrier...and big competition at that...will continue stagnated, giving Alltel customers no reason to swwitch over. As such, it'd be in VZ's interest to do a force switch at the end of Alltel customers' contracts, or so it would seem. Considering that Alltel's regional plans (which are still around) are so much better value-wise than Verizon's national plans... | |
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| Re: Can you hear me now? You are right. Voice plans haven't changed much over the last few years. I signed up I right around 5 years ago, the only thing that has changed in regards to price for my voice goes is they gave me 50 more per month. They don't matter to me though since all but about 2 of my friends are with Verizon. They simply get the best coverage around here period. | |
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| Not a problem IF If the FCC mandates LTE as the technology for cellular going forward then all parties can compete with phones going between carriers. I would consider this competitive.
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| Re: Not a problem IF said by NOCMan :If the FCC mandates LTE as the technology for cellular going forward then all parties can compete with phones going between carriers. I would consider this competitive. We as a nation need to have standards when it comes to certain technologies to ensure competition. for the love of god no..take one look at the ATSC and tell me the FCC got it right. the last thing we need is the government defining standards. | |
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| The FCC mandating standards for cellular companies is a terrible idea. Europe, famous for this, is moving away from it in recent auctions, why should we suddenly start doing so?
It looks like the market is moving towards a standard on its own, which is how its supposed to work- other than Sprint, I mean. | |
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| Re: Not a problem IF Ever been on a lone road at night in the winter and your car breaks down, and your GSM, and only CDMA exists in the area, or vice versa? Multiple cellphone standards are recipes for disaster and monopolizing. If each carrier has a different standard, even if the handsets are unlocked on paper, they are useless with other carriers. | |
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| Re: From A Business Standpoint.... said by partysource :To all the people complaining you get what you pay for. I could honestly say Verizon Wireless has the best wireless network in metro areas. While Alltel has the best in rural areas. This merger will combine a powerhouse of coverage. Verizon has the lowest churn rate from any carrier out there. This tell you the customers just don't leave because they are happy. The people complaining are the ones who hate to pay lol...Like I said you get what you pay for. Please don't come at me with Sprint as they are under water right now. The customers don't leave because they do not know anything better. Verizon keeps their customers ignorant ( crippling their phones, browsing the web on a cell phone is restricted to their own sites, advertising those dopey same exact theme commercials with their crew following the customer anywhere they go). of course they are quite expensive on the features end as well. I am glad I am not and have not been with verizon.
And as to your coment regarding the best network in metro areas.. Here in south florida, I've compared the big three (att, verizon and sprint) with a lot of people and all have almost the exact coverages of one another - however there are many a place where verizon has no service while sprint or att do.
Sprint may be "under water" as you say it, but that does not affect their current coverage or current service offerings. If they play their cards right with the release of the samsung instinct and hopefully their joint wimax project a success, they can easily over time stand up again. | |
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| Re: Verizon is changing to open source software Verizon's "open" phones will only work on "open" plans, not Verizon's branded, red GUI, crippeled phones. I bet the reason Verizon embraced "open" is because its a new source/gimick to force people to more expensive plans and make it justifiable. How else on earth can you justify increasing the price of minutes? I remember when 400 mins Family share was $70 a month, same plan at similar price is now like 1200 for $60 (totally off the top of my head). The prices on voice minutes have really been beaten down over the years, and Data isn't growing fast enough to be the gold rush that is needed to boost ARPU and nullify the damage by cheap minutes. Only cheapskates hit minute overages nowadays. By creating this whole "open" concept, its a way to sell phones that can only go on more expensive "open" plans, which might structured in a new paradigm, pay per MB data, and some hybrid of pay per minute and buckets voice, or no voice at all (all voice must be done through EVDO/VoIP, a cash windfall when combined with pay per MB, VoIP providers be forced or they customer will demand low bitrate VoIP codecs to save $ on pay per MB and be cheaper than VZ Voice, then Verizon can advertise how good sounding their voice service is compared to 3rd party VoIP voice, and thats the end of any mainstream usage of open devices. Another scheme would be to have fine print data duty cycles (how much your phone spends on paging channel vs data channel), and in addition to a pay per MB data charge, have a pay per minute on the minutes that the phone has an active data channel, thats the end of any VoIP traffic, since only bursty data will be affordable). | |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Re: Verizon is changing to open source software Verizon has stated that the "open" plans will cost the same as "non-open" plans and work similarly, except that you won't get support for your device from VZW if you don't buy your device through them. | |
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| Two Differenct Network Technologies What would Verizon do with a GSM network? VZW has planted itself in CDMA technology for a long time and I doubt they are going to change to GSM. They are probably going to force all AllTel customer to upgrade to VZW network. GSM would cost too much for VZW to maintain especially since it is not compatible with CDMA.
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| Re: Two Differenct Network Technologies You know what? You are absolutely right! Forgot they were CDMA. Well slap me silly and call me stupid! LOL
I am totally against this acquisition. It will make the entry into mobile service too high and the competition will be almost non-existent. Sad day in the mobile world. | |
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| Please do not delete my post again...Thank you Verizon is switching in a year to open-source software, so no longer will the Verizon phones be locked. I'm a regional manager for Arizona north for Verizon. We keep hearing about this change, I guess Vodafone was the cause behind us changing our OS. | |
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| Re: Please do not delete my post again...Thank you Vodafone wouldn't be behind this. Vodafone would only be behind the LTE move, since open source CDMA phones are of zero business advantage to Vodafone right now. Vodafone is nothing more than a bond/stock/dividend investor in VZ Wireless right now, zero synergy. Talk says Vodafone has been pissed a long time it can't get any branding/synergy/roaming from the partnership. | |
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| Re: Megatron ???
4G, as in LTE, can't be deployed now. (WiMax can, but at&t won't use that) In fact, deployment isn't even supposed to be possible until late 2009 or 2010. Verizon has stated that as its target- actually, I believe it was Vodafone who said that, while saying that their GSM networks elsewhere in the world wouldn't need 4G until after that time, since HSDPA can be upgraded further than EV-DO.
I don't see how VZW is way behind in technology- they've been far ahead in deploying 3G- at&t still doesn't have it here. And even the most recent HSDPA upgrades basically bring it even speed-wise with EV-DO Rev. A. | |
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| Re: US Cellular That's a good question- at&t and VZW tend to act in tandem in past (smaller) rural acquisitions, following up on each others' acquisition- i.e. at&t buys Dobson and VZW buys Rural Cellular. I wonder if at&t (or someone else) will make a bid for U.S. Cellular? Of course, CDMA would makes things difficult for at&t- and VZW isn't likely to make any more big purchases right after Alltel, while the other CDMA major, Sprint, has its own problems.
Though, if any bid is going to happen, it has to be very soon, especially if it's of a public company- Alltel-VZW will likely go fairly fast as Alltel is privately owned, so there's no shareholder votes or anything that have to take place, so they can jump right to the regulators. After a certain point you hit the administration change, and even a McCain administration is expected to be harder to pass by than the Bush administration has been. | |
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join:2005-03-09 Saint Clair Shores, MI | Higher bills Anything VZW touches = higher bills. So, all I have to say about the statement What will consumers get out of the deal? Probably higher bills, says one analyst. is... Duh... | |
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| Re: Higher bills Not true at all, Verizon is not even close to what it used to be years ago. Verizon's prices are about the same as AT&T's. Anyone that says Verizon sucks because of higher bills needs to look at plans and go over packages and features. I have worked for both companys and Verizon is much better. | |
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| Re: Higher bills Worked for both companies? No bias there... 
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| Noooooo!!! I left verizon and went to Alltel because I hated Verizons customer service. Because of the way verizon treated me I refus to pay the early termination fees on the account. (Their CS reps actually toldy me to F... O..!) I guess Im going to have to find another carrier.... I still have a year and half on my alltel contract. This really stinks. | |
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