1 edit | Special interests own America Meet the new president, worse than the old one...
Expect this to continue as long as we vote Democrat or Republican. ( with the exception going to Ron Paul of course!) | |
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1 edit | Re: Special interests own America Uhhh.... Ralph Nader has been fighting for the people for over 30 years. You guys just marginalized him, that's all. Well, so did the two-party system, but that is a bigger story.
Simple story - you guys had a candidate in your corner and you voted for the corporate lackey instead. What's new?!? | |
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Uhhh.... Ralph Nader has been fighting for the people for over 30 years. You guys just marginalized him, that's all.
Nader would have been even worse. Talk about Nanny State under Nader.... | |
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| Everyone bitches about Obama yet I notice they sent their same idiots (oops I mean "Representatives") back up to the Hill and Senate again for the umpteenth time.
You want to shake up Washington? Toss the incumbents.
Funny how people always explain how their local Representatives are "the good ones" while everybody else's choices are terrible.
Kinda like how everyone agrees that drivers in America these days are terrible but their own driving skill is above average to excellent.
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| | | | Re: Special interests own America said by KrK:Kinda like how everyone agrees that drivers in America these days are terrible but their own driving skill is above average to excellent. Not the whole country, only drivers from PA.
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I have friends in the Canton area that see the same thing
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| said by KrK:You want to shake up Washington? Toss the incumbents. President O'Bama is a 1st Term Incumbent.
When it comes to policies that will affect our grandchildren; O'Bama is indistinguishable from Bush
(the resurrection of Hillary's prize potbellied pig - govt wealth care - excepting).
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| Re: Special interests own America said by sonicmerlin:Um...if that was true then why are Republicans fighting against every policy Obama tries to enact? I'm not certain how that ties in w/ my post.
My point is that President O'Bama is as politically entrenched, as any pol that had been serving for a generation.
It's a natural gift with him; very Clintonian.
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1.not a politician cause you have been corrupted by the dark force.
2.educated well
3.poor not rich since the majority of us USA'ers are not millionaires
I am fed up with the same type of assholes to vote for year after year.so what do i do..............vote for who i think is the least evil of the bunch.
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| | | said by DataRiker:Meet the new president, worse than the old one... No one could be worse than Bush. No one. | |
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Torrance, CA | hmmm..... I voted for em,but had no illusions as to anything in regards to this changing. For this to actually change, the rank and file from both sides are going to have to get proactive, Peace
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| Re: hmmm..... said by woody7:I voted for em,but had no illusions as to anything in regards to this changing. So why - exactly - did you vote for Santa Cause again?
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Torrance, CA | Re: hmmm..... I was hoping he would be better than the previous idiot, and was partially correct. I guess it is kind of tough cleaning up the $hit that Bush/Cheney left!
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| Re: hmmm..... said by woody7: I was hoping he would be better than the previous idiot, and was partially correct. I guess it is kind of tough cleaning up the $hit that Bush/Cheney left! So you weren't actually drawn to any sort of policy, that Candidate O'Bama was championing.
That's OK. The odds of you being the single O'Bama voter who could identify HIS platform - pre-election - is 69,456,897 to one.
I don't believe the nay-sayers who maintain the existence of that single voter is an urban myth.
I have faith that one day we'll locate the elusive Informed O'Bama Voter. On that day, we'll toast the sheer will power it took to swim against the current of the 69,456,897; and come to know his/her candidate.
It will be a day forever etched in song and tale.
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Torrance, CA | Re: hmmm..... Actually we are in better shape than if the Repubs won, and I have no doubt that if they had won, we would be in the stone age. I personally would of said no thanx to the crap that Obama inherited, what ever people think of what he is doing, it is far better than the alternative presented to us. I don't necessarily vote on platforms, nor do I believe all the bs that is spewed by both sides.I am not a liberal nor conservative, but look for the best parts of both. I don't agree with all that has been done, but think of what it would be like if he didn't do it. I'm tired of hearing that he is wrong, and no cognizant alternative other than just saying no to him, Peace
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| Re: hmmm..... said by woody7:Actually we are in better shape ...[bunch of other stuff]... just saying no to him, Peace t My previous post wasn't about HIM at all. It was about O'Bama voters. It's eerie how O'Bama voters never understand that.
So just to confirm; you wouldn't have been able to clearly define Candidate O'Bama's platform, prior to voting for him.
You found
your alternative motivation for candidate choice,
worked better for you
than having a comprehensive understanding of the candidate.
You're one in a 69,456,897.
Just not the one we're looking for.
Thanks!
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| Re: hmmm..... said by woody7: And your expertise in determining this is ?..... Oh. My expertise in determining this, is ideally suited to the task.
In fact, the skill required
to accurately reach this determination
is precisely equal
to that of voting.
In other words, it takes none at all.
One merely has to ask the question,
in order to observe an O'Bama voter
shift subject
or accuse racism
or perhaps just have their mind wander off into something else;
after failing to comprehend the question.
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While some had hoped that the new Obama administration would bring with it a little more government responsibility in terms of allowing corporations to fully dictate technology policy, there's no bigger example to the contrary than this week's anti-piracy summit being coordinated by Vice President Joe Biden.
Who are these "some?"
Anyone who really believed that this administration would not be in bed with the content industry is at best hopelessly naive. Joe Biden had always been a friend of this industry during his career as a senator. The Democrat party in general has always been far more closely allied with Hollywood than other political parties, and of course, that brings us all the yummy, DRM-laden goodness that comes with such a relationship.
Of course, this isn't to say that the GOP, in its foolishness, also tries to be Hollywood's friend, but when it comes to being joined at the hip, there are no two bigger chums than the Democrat party and Hollywood.
There was no reason to believe that this relationship would change with the Democrats winning the presidency in 2008.
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Biden's simply created an entertainment industry lobbying play pen, where entertainment industry lobbyists get direct access to some of the heaviest hitters in Washington. Contributions to political campaigns are given for ONE REASON - to gain access to the politician when policies are created. Unless the other stakeholders are willing to play that game, they will be shut out.
But I see the unions made the list of attendees - so it wasn't just the corporate fat cats. In other words, Washington is a pay to play place. It always was and always will be.
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| Re: Pay to Play in Washington - always was; always will be said by KrK:Until we stop allowing Corporate lobbying this will never change. I have to agree with you, there. I never understood why anyone would believe that Corporations have Rights and Constitutional Protections.
The individuals within a corp have their own rights, etc. I don't see the purpose of granting them additional privileges as part of some entity.
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| | Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Once again, more proof that the corporate states of America is by the corporations, for the corporation. The pendulum has swung far too much to the rights of the corporation over the individual. It's high time we elect people who aren't beholden to corporate interests, but I won't hold my breath. America used to be a great country. We used to be CITIZENS, not taxpayers, not consumers, CITIZENS. Those days are long gone, quite simply, as others have pointed out, because those who have the gold, make the rules? The solution, as I have pointed out many times, is quite simply socialism. Under socialism, corporations take a back seat to the rights of the CITIZENS. Corporations suddenly no longer have the ability to buy politicians. Under socialism, we would have SANE copyrights of 14 years. Period. Remember, socialism is an ECONOMIC theory, NOT a political theory that so many right wing nut cases keep saying. There are plenty of socialist democracies (umm, all of Europe).
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»www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/busin···bon.html
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The European Union started with a high-minded ecological goal: encouraging companies to cut their greenhouse gases by making them pay for each ton of carbon dioxide they emitted into the atmosphere.
But that plan unleashed a lobbying free-for-all that led politicians to dole out favors to various industries, undermining the environmental goals. Four years later, it is becoming clear that system has so far produced little noticeable benefit to the climate — but generated a multibillion-dollar windfall for some of the Continent’s biggest polluters.
said by karlmarx: Under socialism, we would have SANE copyrights of 14 years. Period. You mean like they already do in Europe, which you pointed out has many socialist countries?
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The rights of performers last for fifty years from the distribution or communication of the performance, or for fifty years from the performance itself if it had never been communicated to the public during this period (Art. 3(1), D. 93/98/EEC). The rights of phonogram producers last for fifty years after publication of the phonogram, or for fifty years after its communication to the public if it had never been published during that period, or for fifty years after its creation if it had never been communicated to the public (Art. 3(2), D. 93/98/EEC, as modified by Art. 11(2), D. 2001/29/EC). The rights of film producers last for fifty years after the communication of the film to the public, or for fifty years after its creation if it had never been communicated to the public during that period (Art. 3(3), D. 93/98/EEC). The rights of broadcasting organisations last for fifty years after the first transmission of a broadcast (Art. 3(4), D. 93/98/EEC).
said by karlmarx:There are plenty of socialist democracies (umm, all of Europe). I'm not so sure about that. In the readings I did to reply to this post, all those "socialist" countries in Europe seemed to behave a lot more like the mini-ReaganBushvilles that we have going on over here. 
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Albany, CA | said by Romney2012:A socialist utopia can't exist - as long as human beings and not robots make up the governing class. I agree and I'll extend this to say no utopia -- capitalist, socialist or otherwise will ever exist as long as human beings govern.
What can exist in a capitalist framework are heavily regulated, privately owned corporations that do not enjoy person-hood. The first step is for everyone to realize that the "I got mine" Fiddy-Cent version of capitalism that the US subscribes to currently is a detriment. | |
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| Re: Government of, by, and for the Corporate Interests said by Sammer:Now that the Obama administration is showing their true colors those who voted for Obama because they thought he was for the people are learning a hard lesson. As Lincoln said you can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time. Today's politicians including Obama don't even worry about fooling all the people all the time because they're really serving corporate interests and only giving lip service to the people. As if any other candidate besides Nader would have fought for consumer rights when it comes to piracy. This has nothing to do with a democrat or republican issue, this is a special interest issue with the money going to all the candidates.
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| | Maybe, just maybe... what they are doing is bringing them in separately.
If both groups were there it would be a big bickerfest with one group pointing fingers at the other and nothing really getting accomplished.
If I were to take the this approach I would want the industry in first to stake their claims and then have the real world come in and either substantiate or tear apart their claims and work on a solutions for things that simply can't work the way the content providers want (from a real world perspective, not a business perspective).
One thing is blatantly for sure though... the industry has to change their business model to accommodate their customers. Trying to force their customers into their business model will never work and they thus far have refused to accept this and we keep going round and round. They also need to come to the reality that they will never be able to "lock up" their content. Nothing they will ever be able to do will stop someone from getting to it that wants it and then making it available to others. Accept this truth, it will make the process easier.
I personally am neutral in this area as I do not even own an iPod or MP3 players and I don't download music, movies, or games. However, I do understand there is a big difference between music, games and movies though. Movies only make money when people pay to see them or buy merchandise. Games, when people purchase them and when they have incentives to buy additional stuff. Musicians on the other hand make most of their money on concerts. The RIAA just needs (to go away but at a minimum) to concede that music should be in the wild free of charge and considered a marketing tool for road shows and merchandising. Press CD's or create MP3s and sell them still to those that want them (like Linux), but this business model of only selling songs/albums is dead and I can see that even though I am not a music fan. | |
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| | Obama's Big Sellout I voted for Obama/Biden and still like to think that things would've been worse if McCain/Palin were sitting in the White House today. However, Obama has fallen far short of the expectations I had for him and his administration.
With that said, Rolling Stone magazine had an interesting piece on the Obama administration with regard to Wall Street and the financial world. The limousine liberals (as the author labeled them) are running his administration and have little interest or commonality with your mainstream Democrat.
It's worth a read.
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Westminster, MD | Re: Obama's Big Sellout said by JohnQPublic:I voted for Obama/Biden and still like to think that things would've been worse if McCain/Palin were sitting in the White House today. However, Obama has fallen far short of the expectations I had for him and his administration. With that said, Rolling Stone magazine had an interesting piece on the Obama administration with regard to Wall Street and the financial world. The limousine liberals (as the author labeled them) are running his administration and have little interest or commonality with your mainstream Democrat. It's worth a read. Obama's Big Sellout : Rolling Stone » www.rollingstone.com/politics/st···_sellout Sorry, Rolling Stone's worth starts and stops at the bottom of a bird cage.
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| said by JohnQPublic:I ... still like to think that things would've been worse if McCain/Palin were sitting in the White House today. You like that?
That's an odd sort of thing to enjoy, isn't it?
I hope it's not part of that whole recreational-seething-hatred fad, that the Bush-Wackers were gushing over. That was even more annoying than Poker-as-a-sport; and twice as pointless. At least some of the poker guys walked off with a couple of bucks.
It just gets increasingly bizarre to note what people invest their time in.
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The man was raised in politics "The Chicago Way". His voting record prior to becoming President shows that he almost always voted right along party lines. He never "bucked the system" or went against anything the Democrats were supporting.
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| | s o what i just hld the 1st ever conferance on how to increase piracy and BIDEN and his buddies and prostitues aren't welcome either.
THIS plan calls for providing for blind and disabled
IT has plans for increasing massive gigabit internet for everyone on earth
and it has plans to end the communist unions of the actors and musicians and there associates in the mpaa and riaa.
IT also will create and bribe politicians to make laws to NOT only lesson copyright but YOU HAVE TO buy form the taxpayer the right to have it and then only for 5 years.
THAT'S right this radical plan sees YOU GREEDY bastards pay the people for the right to over charge and gouge for a VERY LIMITED TIME.
patnets and how useless they have become are to be reduced totally to 5-6 years except drugs which will be totally outlawed. Yes obama this will anger your drug buddies but we don't care our secret NACTA agreement actually puts the funds where it should be going ......into doing other stuff | |
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| Re: s o what said by chronoss2009:i just hld the 1st ever conferance on how to increase piracy and BIDEN and his buddies and prostitues aren't welcome either. THIS plan calls for providing for blind and disabled IT has plans for increasing massive gigabit internet for everyone on earth and it has plans to end the communist unions of the actors and musicians and there associates in the mpaa and riaa. IT also will create and bribe politicians to make laws to NOT only lesson copyright but YOU HAVE TO buy form the taxpayer the right to have it and then only for 5 years. THAT'S right this radical plan sees YOU GREEDY bastards pay the people for the right to over charge and gouge for a VERY LIMITED TIME. patnets and how useless they have become are to be reduced totally to 5-6 years except drugs which will be totally outlawed. Yes obama this will anger your drug buddies but we don't care our secret NACTA agreement actually puts the funds where it should be going ......into doing other stuff I'm buying you lunch passes to Bob's Grammar World for your birthday.
You're welcome.
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| | soon it will be voting time again.. can democrats afford to piss off voters who are already angry with how they get raped by big business already?
republicans sell out the USA to one set of big businesses and the democrats do the same for a different set. maybe, just maybe they they don't dance a jig (in the oval office the second gasoline pump prices hit $5 a gallon) the way bush 2 did with the oil industry & refinery industry when gas prices hit $5 a gallon!
time to get some people who aren't so corrupt into office!
flush the crap out on BOTH sides of the aisle (hint, the more years in congress=MORE CORRUPT)! ...and it it takes democrats out of office & power, so be it! if you think that democrats are going to give you free healthcare without lumping on all kinds of taxes equal to or greater than the European Union style tax system, keep dreaming!
as for this whole piracy issue, consumers are screwed so bad, that this meager so-called theft of intellectual property is a drop in the bucket to what the tech industry, including telecom, cable companies have done to the consumer with their massive consolidation. more big business in the hands of fewer people and they are at record levels of GREED-- so much so, that they are out in the open with a war against the consumer. they increasingly use illegal & unethical tactics to score hollow victories for copyrights holders who are increasingly big business multi-national corporations.. not the actual content creators themselves. | |
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