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| Re: FCC CPNI Rules? said by PhoenixDown :[...] sharing the info for marketing purposes with a company like nebuAD would be highly against the rules. And since this information is still shared despite the cookie opt out method, I think Charter would be in violation. That never stopped the DMA from ignoring the law before. Case in point: the national do not call list. I still get sales calls despite having been registered on that site pretty much since the day it was launched. | |
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| said by PhoenixDown :The FCC recently strengthened their position on CPNI stating that customer information cannot be shared with third parties unless the customer specifically agrees. My take, and I am not a lawyer, is that sharing the info for marketing purposes with a company like nebuAD would be highly against the rules. And since this information is still shared despite the cookie opt out method, I think Charter would be in violation. Then all Charter has to do is put in the TOS, by getting Charter internet you are agreeing to data sharing, if you do not agree, do not order service.
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join:2007-11-11 Erie, PA | Re: FCC CPNI Rules? Not that they wouldn't do it, but forced consent is a bit of a contradiction in terms. I don't think it would hold up if challenged. | |
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| Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers? said by benc :About this system: I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around. Now I'm wondering: Unlike most of their customers (probably), I get my HSI through their Business division. I did that because some things are done differently. These things include: - More liberal TOS. - No port restrictions. - No throttling. - Static IP. The downside? It's expensive for what you get. I wonder, is my browsing history still sold to this company? If it is, see my signature. I've added a section for "user submitted" sites to help pollute the data they collect. If you can't fight them in court, fight them in the wallet and make all the data they collect useless and worthless.  -- Fight NebuAD and the like: Click Here to pollute their data | |
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| Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers? said by knightmb :... I've added a section for "user submitted" sites to help pollute the data they collect. ... I use TrackMeNot on FireFox. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if Mozilla were to implement such a system as a defaulted on "option" right in their browsers?
Such a move from the open source community, would end this nonsense in a heartbeat.
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| said by benc :I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around. But theres no $ $ $ Money $ $ $ in opt-in. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| said by benc :About this system: I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around. Now I'm wondering: Unlike most of their customers (probably), I get my HSI through their Business division. I did that because some things are done differently. These things include: - More liberal TOS. - No port restrictions. - No throttling. - Static IP. The downside? It's expensive for what you get. I wonder, is my browsing history still sold to this company? This does not apply to Business customers. I work for the business department and we have been told the business accounts will be exempted from the monitoring. | |
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| Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers? said by Cable_Guy :
]This does not apply to Business customers. I work for the business department and we have been told the business accounts will be exempted from the monitoring. Thank you very much for this information. I guess I really am getting some extra value for my money. | |
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I don't believe what you were told. Why not collect that additional fee for monitoring one more customer? | |
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join:2004-03-23 Dearborn, MI | Other ISPs use NebuAD too Wide Open West (WOW) for one. They recent sent the "Privacy Statement" that includes a link to Opt-Out of NebuAD. That adds a cookie that supposedly exempts you. And who doesn't periodically clean out cookies? | |
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| Re: Other ISPs use NebuAD too Knology uses NebuAd too. I've been having an email discussion with them, and one nice lady kindly directed me to the NebuAd page where they promise the data is anonymized. When I wrote back and said hey, it can't be if they know me well enough to serve me an appropriate ad, she stopped answering.  | |
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join:2003-08-05 Madison, AL | Re: Other ISPs use NebuAD too Did you see any method for opt'n out? | |
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join:2005-09-28 00000 | I think that NebuAd can see that 10.100.100.143 goes to dslreports.com not goalieskates goes to dslreports.com. | |
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| said by Ixne :Other ISPs use NebuAD too Actually most the major ISPs use it. Charter simply came out publically before they planned on using it. And Charter hasn't even launched it. They just intend to test it in a few major markets. Meanwhile, the Cox's, TW's, Rogers, ATT, TDS, and Comcast's of the world fly under the radar keeping their customers in the dark. At least Charter is up front about it. ANd they aren'y even using it yet. lol | |
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| said by funchords :Comcast is not using NebuAd (I've tested). Correction, they are not using it in your market. Just like Charter is not using it my market, but they are using it elsewhere on their network.
said by coastjam :IMHO you should look at your logs a little closer if your on Charters network and run a few more trace routes. Charters tracking you in more then one way. They have not been as up front as you might think. Look closer at your activity logs and firewall reports. Been there done that. Nothing suspicious. | |
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| Re: Other ISPs use NebuAD too said by so_true :said by funchords :Comcast is not using NebuAd (I've tested). Correction, they are not using it in your market. Just like Charter is not using it my market, but they are using it elsewhere on their network. Please tell me where. (You can contact me privately and confidentially if you wish.)
Yes, you're right. I should not assume that everything is the same everywhere. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon HTTP is the new Bandwidth Hog...
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| What about COPPA? I suspect this breaks COPPA compliance as well.
»www.coppa.org/coppa.htm
-snip- (A) means any person who operates a website located on the Internet or an online service and who collects or maintains personal information from or about the users of or visitors to such website or online service, or on whose behalf such information is collected or maintained, where such website or online service is operated for commercial purposes, including any person offering products or services for sale through that website or online service, involving commerce
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(A) the release of personal information collected from a child in identifiable form by an operator for any purpose, except where such information is provided to a person other than the operator who provides support for the internal operations of the website and does not disclose or use that information for any other purpose; and
(B) making personal information collected from a child by a website or online service directed to children or with actual knowledge that such information was collected from a child, publicly available in identifiable form, by any means including by a public posting, through the Internet, or through
(i) a home page of a website;
(ii) a pen pal service;
(iii) an electronic mail service;
(iv) a message board; or
(v) a chat room. -- You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property.
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