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join:2004-08-13 La Crosse, WI | Well well well... Bout time!  | |
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  Tarheels Fan Premium join:2006-01-05 | 25 trillion bits per second... Can I get this for $30 per month and no contract? | |
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 |   PolarBear The bear formerly known as aaron8301 Premium join:2005-01-03 | Re: 25 trillion bits per second... I'd be willing to sign a contract. Hell, I'd be willing to give my left... well, I'd sign a contract, anyway. | |
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  ztmike Mark for moderation Premium join:2001-08-02 Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| In with the new, out with the old? So are they going to drop the old fiber altogether and go with this new bendable fiber instead?
I wonder if this new stuff is cheaper? -- "I am the worst president in U.S history, I'm either stupid or dumb most of the time, but people still believe me." George W. Bush | |
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 |   GVI
@sbcglobal.net
| Re: In with the new, out with the old? said by ztmike :I wonder if this new stuff is cheaper? I wonder if this new stuff means that people who work with it for years on end won't have shredded hands?
As I understand it (and this is the Global Village Idiot talking here, mind) techs who handle fiber optic cable end up with glass fragments in their hands. Which meant that techs had to retire after X number of years simply because their hands were no longer any good.
(Not to mention the dangers of getting hit in the eye with a loose end of cable.) | |
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 |  |   Qumahlin Never Enough Time Premium,MVM join:2001-10-05 united state
| Re: In with the new, out with the old? Maybe that was the case some time ago, but I know a few fiber layers/splicers two of which work for Verizon and the 3rd works for Comcast and they've never mentioned this issue to me...i'd imagine its something that would come up in our normal convos as we always talk about the various job hazards etc | |
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join:2004-03-11 Fort Lauderdale, FL
·Comcast
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| said by GVI :said by ztmike :I wonder if this new stuff is cheaper? I wonder if this new stuff means that people who work with it for years on end won't have shredded hands? As I understand it (and this is the Global Village Idiot talking here, mind) techs who handle fiber optic cable end up with glass fragments in their hands. Which meant that techs had to retire after X number of years simply because their hands were no longer any good. (Not to mention the dangers of getting hit in the eye with a loose end of cable.) They weren't allowed to wear gloves?  | |
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 |   NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX
| No. It will be used where it makes sense to use it. Regular fiber will still be cheaper for now.
I have been pushing our suppliers to start thinking about this for Data Centers where sometimes we have issues with bent fibers. Never can seem to make server admins aware if they bend them they wont work. *shrug* They just yell at us network guys until it's fixed. | |
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join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs:
·Comcast
| Re: In with the new, out with the old? I have trouble shot some fiber to storage units where the server admins had just jammed the fiber and bent it around corners like they did with cat5 , and yet they wondered why the array cant hit 4 gig transfer speeds without the error rate sky rocketing.
Some people just don't understand how sensitive these can be.
Im really liking the rugged drop cable , might have to push for this when we start building our new datacenter. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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  Not You
@centerpartners.com | Flawed Video Anyone else notice that when he's going through the demo with the staple gun that the video feed goes completely black? They then cut, and we come back to a fresh video on the monitor. | |
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 |  questionable
join:2005-10-18 Phoenix, AZ | Re: Flawed Video Yes i noticed that also. wonder if he cut the line LOL | |
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@verizon.com
| Re: Flawed Video
I saw the demo live - it does not loose signal at all. Loss topped out around 0.10.
In the verizon world, the only concern will be who will be placing the fiber. It will be used mostly for MDU locations, and in parts of VZ, that has historically been contractors placing microduct, and the VZ techs pull the fiber drops through. If the techs place the fiber, then they will be the ones up in the drop ceilings stapling to the rafters. Unless it is new construction, it could be a challenge. | |
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 |  BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: | If you noticed it was a video loop and it was just a black section of video during one of the cuts back to the cornings logo. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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  FiL Premium join:2005-08-16 Silver Spring, MD | Ankle breakage That guy looks like he's about to break the crap out of his ankle...lol. | |
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 jvanbrecht
join:2007-01-08 Bowie, MD | I wish.... They had this stuff before they did the install at my house.. and tore up my backyard and back of my house (they destroyed the brickwork patio since they could not route around it easily) | |
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  ztmike Mark for moderation Premium join:2001-08-02 Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| video I uploaded the video to YouTube..for those that don't want to download it or to lazy you can see it here
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH7wOg9cB-I -- "I am the worst president in U.S history, I'm either stupid or dumb most of the time, but people still believe me." George W. Bush | |
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 |   CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County
| Re: stock? Depends on how much it will contribute to the bottom line profits. If they sell a LOT of it and can charge a premium and increase profits by 30% it will be a good thing if you own it. May take 5 or so years for it to become a large profit maker, may take less. Someone else could patent a new way of doing it and take away their sales if they sell the cable at a lower price... | |
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  Le Roy Skillz Premium join:2002-05-03 Biloxi, MS | Good move? Might be a good time to buy some shares, possibly.
If only I knew how to buy shares, I'd buy some. | |
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  odreian615
join:2006-01-18 Chicago, IL | Att is you watching I would like to forward this video to them | |
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  cob_ 1310nm Of Goodness Premium join:2003-07-08 Tulsa, OK | Couple of things I don't think normal single-mode fiber bend radius is all that limiting. It will probably be cost-prohibitive to use this stuff over mitigating extreme bends with regular fiber. | |
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 |   rcdailey Dragoonfly Premium join:2005-03-29 Rialto, CA
| Re: Couple of things said by cob_ :I don't think normal single-mode fiber bend radius is all that limiting. It will probably be cost-prohibitive to use this stuff over mitigating extreme bends with regular fiber. If it's cost-prohibitive, they won't use it. If it saves time and money while giving a better result, then it may be worth the extra cost for the fiber itself. It's also possible that Corning can bring the cost down as they produce more of the stuff. | |
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 Ulmo
join:2005-09-22 San Jose, CA
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| Frickin awesome That demo video is frickin awesome. They paired a pretty good marketeer (who knew the technicalities comfortably) with a product that really does show its own. A staple gun! Wow ...
I like how they didn't lie or hide anything -- you could see slight signal drop as the staples went in one by one, but as he pointed out without even saying it directly, -.01dB per staple is nothing compared to -9dB to -10dB. He said one could put in 40 staples like that and not have noticeable impact -- I'm figuring what -.4dB --- pretty darned good.
With due care, you could squeek out a nice -0dB to -.01dB with that stuff, and if you're sloppy, watch out, it's better than copper (in the same sloppiness)! "Gee, this unit is too fricked up and tight to install copper --- we better use fiber!" says the Deathstar technician, who proceeds to install a copper-over-fiber modem on both sides of the fiber ... yeauck.
Anyway, Verizon FiOS -- sorry, but all your old (current to date) installs -- they're going to be a rough equivilant to, but a little worse than, K&T (decent (instead of excellent) workmanship, not much reason (instead of no reason) to remove it, but clearly inferior cabling with respect to flexibility compared to the old stuff).
A light reference about K&T ... »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob_and_tube_wiring | |
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  lt_wentoncha Red6
join:2002-05-12 000000 | Cool
Hmmm, I'll have to ask my boss about this... | |
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  natter
join:2000-12-18 Littleton, CO | cool About time this came.. | |
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  asdjf
join:2005-01-01 | Price? What's the cost comparison like to produce and sell versus traditional fiber? -- 144 145 145 172 040 156 165 164 163 | |
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