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Humpty Dumpty back together again
(old news - 09:54AM Thursday Dec 22 2005)
tags: competition · business · telco
Executives aren't pleased with the numbers at BellSouth: the company recently scaled back their already timid next-gen deployment plans, and last week announced the elimination of some 1,500 management positions. A Verizon or AT&T (SBC) acquisition of BellSouth has been rumor fodder for as long as we can remember, and this holiday season is no exception for the folks at Network World. Something tells us this current FCC would have little to no problem with such a deal.

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ATT to take Bellsouth?

Things were better b4 1984,it took 1/4 the time to get your phone fixed-so who knows as long as it is not done to rape the pension plan money it would work for me

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Re: ATT to take Bellsouth?

while we're at it, let's ban alcohol and women's voting rights again too...

geez...
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Re: ATT to take Bellsouth?

LOL!

We should also allow all radio stations to be controlled by one or two big conglomerates, that have shell companies underneath them, so that they appear to be controlled by another entity and not the parent corporation...oh wait we already do. Damn FCC Telecom act of 1996.
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said by idjk :

Things were better b4 1984,it took 1/4 the time to get your phone fixed
Yes and no. I was in college in the early 1980's and used to get phone service every school year. Before 1984, I walked over to the local AT&T PhoneCenter Store, filled out some paperwork, got a phone and phonebook. Next day I had service activated. At the end of the year I turned the phone back in, paid my final bill and all was done. After the breakup, the store closed, I had to take a car ride several miles to the nearest telco office. I had to buy my own phone and wait until I could get a new directory. Service came on at the normal 24 hours but it was a bigger PITA to get service.

OTOH, before the breakup, doing your own wiring was generally prohibited by the telcos. Connecting more phones than you were renting was a violation (my folks used to rent two phones but we had a third one in another room that we always had to hide if the phone company came around).

Still considering all the advantages that have happened since the breakup, despite the few conveniences of the old Ma Bell, I would not want to go back.
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said by n2jtx See Profile :

OTOH, before the breakup, doing your own wiring was generally prohibited by the telcos. Connecting more phones than you were renting was a violation (my folks used to rent two phones but we had a third one in another room that we always had to hide if the phone company came around).
They could have also found out you had multiple phones by looking at the amount of current your phone line drew from the CO. At least that's how my dad got busted when he "illegally" ran a phone extension (see post below).
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Do you remember what the long distance rates were before the breakup? They were an outrage - that is something that seriously changed as a result of the breakup. Plus, AT&T had no interest in improving many outlying areas, such as the one I lived in, where we still had a PARTY LINE telephone in 1984. That means we had to share our phone with 4 other households. AT&T told us that to have a private line, we'd have to pay (personally) to lay 8 miles of new line. It took Southwestern Bell (Then SBC/Now AT&T again) a short while after to provide true private service.
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humpy dumpty? lol. the rabbit hole is getting deeper all the time. We must all be living in a wonderland life is but a dream. la la la.

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Fire The Regulators

Regulators who were obviously born after 1983 and who also probably haven't heard of companies like Standard Oil and Carnegie Steel have allowed way too many mergers over the past 15-20 years. This consolidation has led to reduced choices for consumers and ultimately higher prices for things like energy, telegraph service and cable TV. These mergers have also led to significant job cuts for people whose positions were duplicated in the merging companies. It would be nice if the government (at any level) would stop just approving any old merger and actually think things through first.

Allowing Ma Bell to come back together in any way, shape or form is an awful idea.
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Re: Fire The Regulators

I agree with you Pnh102.
also

The FCC chief should be canned for incompetence. Just like Mr. (i don't know WTF is going on{Katrina disaster}) Brown.

These Mergers are only limiting the Products that can reach customers. Now that SBC and AT&T have merged were is the competition bringing down the price?

Sprint and Nextel have Merged. Where is the competition there? My cell/digital choices have been halved because of these mergers and i don't see a price cut (competition).

It's Time to Look into Corruption @ the FCC.. As it seems that there is already a Federal Probe into Criminal activities by congress/Senate/lobbyists(only one lobbyist so far, from the new article i heard last even on the 11 oclock news).
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said by packetscan See Profile :

Sprint and Nextel have Merged. Where is the competition there? My cell/digital choices have been halved because of these mergers and i don't see a price cut (competition).
Verizon, Alltel, Cingular, Metro PCS. No competition eh?

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Re: Fire The Regulators

Had verizon .. They lasted a month. you couldn't turn your head and still recive a signal. ( so i dumped them).

The other you mention don't operate in my area.

So no there is still no competition.
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First of all Alltel has limited phoneprint, I beleive metropcs does to- kinda of link regional provider in a few states, so it leaves sprint, verizon, cingular, and t-mobile but t-mobile has horrible service, cingular is overpriced for services, verizon cripples bluetooth.
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Just out of curiosity, (using your words) how can a "Regulator" that was born after 1983 allow too many mergers in the past 15-20 years?

Being that 1983 was only 22 years ago, that would mean these "regulators" of yours begin "regulating" when they were at most between the ages of 2 and 7.

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Being that 1983 was only 22 years ago, that would mean these "regulators" of yours begin "regulating" when they were at most between the ages of 2 and 7.
It was sarcasm. While most regulators were probably born before 1983, they sure as hell are ignorant of events which took place with respect to Ma Bell prior to 1983.

And as for oil company mergers that went on in the late 1990s and early 2000s, my first thought was "haven't any of these idiots learned the lessons of Standard Oil" and how bad it is for the economy to have too few suppliers of something like energy?
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Sarcasm..

Here is that comprehension problem i was discussing earlier.
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Problem is the MA Bell Breakup never really did what it was intended to do...

The break up was supposed to allow the Baby Bells to eventually start operating in each others markets for local service, and eventually start offering Long Distance in competition with AT&T.

Except for some limited areas the local service Competition never really got fired up, instead the Baby Bells just started buying each other and the other companies that were competing on a small scale in their areas.

The Best example is Verizon. After the Breakup I lived in a New England Telephone area. We had basically Zero other options besides New England Tele. None really ever appeared, then they merged with another Baby Bell in New York that created Nynex, then GTE (which had pulled some other other baby bells and a couple baby bell competitors together, if memory serves) merged with Nynex to create the Verizon Behemoth.

The same has happened in other parts of the country, but in very few areas is there any overlap.

With SBC merging with AT&T and becoming AT&T the Bell Pie is pretty much starting to come back together. I suppose with that merger after 21 years we might be seeing the first glimmers of the breakups Original intention as that does put the SBC baby bell conglomerate and the Verizon Behemoth in competition for Long Distance.

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Re: Fire The Regulators

Those in the know have known this was coming, ever since SWB merged with PacBell and became SBC.

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Would FCC Allow it?

Even if AT&T offered, would the FCC allow this? Why are we going backwards instead of forward?
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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

said by Rob See Profile :

Even if AT&T offered, would the FCC allow this? Why are we going backwards instead of forward?
The break up of the Bell System it sel;f was a step in the wrong direction, AT&T buying Bell South would be a good thing.

-Vincent

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said by Rob See Profile :

Even if AT&T offered, would the FCC allow this? Why are we going backwards instead of forward?
The break up of the Bell System it sel;f was a step in the wrong direction, AT&T buying Bell South would be a good thing.

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How would it be a good thing?
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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

Lets state the obvious first.

There is no real competition you can not have sbc or verizon at your home. Just no names over the same line and they pay the telco for you.

Now why is it a good thing ? Real simple cut the fat from the companies. Sink the ships of the slackers make the company more profitable so they can invest in the future of our country.

At this point, there is competition on the phone service sector , wireless , voip , even satellite links if one is so inclined. While there may only be a handful you still have all those options.

The world is no long just wired. We are wireless and untethered from specific services.
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...Real simple cut the fat from the companies. Sink the ships of the slackers make the company more profitable so they can invest in the future of our country.
...
It might be nice if they actually did invest the profits in the country. But have you looked around of late? Where are the profits going? Not into fibre to the home (The only real viable next generation transmission technology)... the profits are going into the big whigs bank accounts and to the insider shareholders, and that mostly being hidden or ripped off...

Is the regular joe seeing any of the profits? I don't think so. Regular Joe is just drowning, wondering if his/her pension plan is under funded or raided or who else has looted the company.
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I agree that AT&T buying Bell South would not be a bad thing. Even if these 2 join, there will still be so much competition especially at the consumer level. Now days, you can get your phone from the cable company and cell phone providers as well as VOIP. You can get TV from satellite and in some places, the phone company. Do you like innovations like FTTP? I guarantee if BS doesn't merge, you won't see it. FTTP requires a lot of funding that can only be repayed with large investments and return on those investments. Look at Verizon which has an $84 billion market cap and $72 billion a year in revenues. Wall Street is beating the stock up over fears how much this investment in new technology will cost. There is no way small companies can go it alone anymore.
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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

said by flankspeed8 See Profile :

I agree that AT&T buying Bell South would not be a bad thing. Even if these 2 join, there will still be so much competition especially at the consumer level. Now days, you can get your phone from the cable company and cell phone providers as well as VOIP. You can get TV from satellite and in some places, the phone company. Do you like innovations like FTTP? I guarantee if BS doesn't merge, you won't see it. FTTP requires a lot of funding that can only be repayed with large investments and return on those investments. Look at Verizon which has an $84 billion market cap and $72 billion a year in revenues. Wall Street is beating the stock up over fears how much this investment in new technology will cost. There is no way small companies can go it alone anymore.
Well said. And be prepared to be flamed here from all of the monopoly pundits who will cry the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

People love to leave out the fact that when Bell was a true monopoly before 1984, there were no other forms of communication. Now the competition is:

Cable (TV & Voice, Internet)
Wireless (voice & broadband internet)
Satellite (TV)
VOIP

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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

"People love to leave out the fact that when Bell was a true monopoly before 1984, there were no other forms of communication. Now the competition is:

Cable (TV & Voice, Internet)
Wireless (voice & broadband internet)
Satellite (TV)
VOIP"

Most of the telcos are getting into these also....so they aren't really competition.....
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said by woody7 See Profile :

Most of the telcos are getting into these also....so they aren't really competition.....
Just because a telecom company is getting into these services does not mean, like you imply, that there isn't other competition.

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said by Cod See Profile :

said by woody7 See Profile :

Most of the telcos are getting into these also....so they aren't really competition.....
Just because a telecom company is getting into these services does not mean, like you imply, that there isn't other competition.
they are getting into these to do just that.....
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said by woody7 See Profile :

they are getting into these to do just that.....
and this is a bad thing? I am not sure if I understand your point. Not trying to be rule or ignorant, just not grasping what you are trying to say.

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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

I'm not saying it is a bad thing, just as long as it is real competition, and not just reacting to competition.....and as someone stated earlier....isn't this just going back the way we were? one or two large companies.....
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Much of this was around in 1984 in one form or another.

Cable - I had Cable-TV in the early 70s at my house. It was generally called CATV (Community Antenna TV) and in smaller towns where over the air signals were weak.

Wireless - Available in two forms, CB/Ham radio for individuals (required a license though) and microwave links available for businesses.

Satellite - Remember the big satellite dishes? Most of the programming was available without decoders.

VOIP - You have me on a technically here since it hadn't yet been invented, there was no VOIP. But many large businesses had internal voice networks using T1 lines (often over the microwave links above).
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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

said by BigDaddy05 See Profile :

Much of this was around in 1984 in one form or another.

Cable - I had Cable-TV in the early 70s at my house. It was generally called CATV (Community Antenna TV) and in smaller towns where over the air signals were weak.

Wireless - Available in two forms, CB/Ham radio for individuals (required a license though) and microwave links available for businesses.

Satellite - Remember the big satellite dishes? Most of the programming was available without decoders.

VOIP - You have me on a technically here since it hadn't yet been invented, there was no VOIP. But many large businesses had internal voice networks using T1 lines (often over the microwave links above).
hahaha...that was classic.

yah, I remember the days in the 70's where every home had a CB/HAM radio for voice communication...and every neighbor had a 12 foot satellite dish in their back yard on a rotor for TV...

/sarcasm
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I would only agree that it would be a good thing if AT&T was allowed to buy every telecom system and every cable system and then they were greatly regulated by the government and were reduced to nothing more then a network maintainer with no external customers.

This would go well with my desire to have 1 natiion wide network that is managed by one or 2 companies with oversight from the government that only supplies, upgrades, and maintains the network. All their customers are service providers that serve the customers and lease their network to do so.

If it is anything besides that, then this is a bad thing.

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we already have gone backwards when the SBC and AT&T merger was approved.

And personally SERVICE NOW SUCKS.

I've been trying to reach my dedicated Sales rep since Monday and Still haven't heard a peep from him or his "account team" What a JOKE!
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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

Give them a chance to get the system put back together.

Also you can believe it or not get another provider ! and use it as a reason to break your contracts and ties with them.
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Re: Would FCC Allow it?

Get another Provider!
Get another Provider!
Get another Provider!

I would if there was actually competition in my area.
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said by Rob See Profile :

Even if AT&T offered, would the FCC allow this? Why are we going backwards instead of forward?
The FCC did not break up Ma Bell. That was done by a court order.
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said by Rob See Profile :

Even if AT&T offered, would the FCC allow this? Why are we going backwards instead of forward?
don't be silly, of course the FCC will allow this. The FCC is currently owned by industry and does the industries bidding.

until that changes, we will see more consolidations and less competition, all to the detriment of consumers.
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Humpty Dumpty back together again?

Come on. Tell me no one saw this coming and I'll tell all of you about this wonderful bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn.

Why are we simply blaming the FCC here anyway? Are we forgetting the SEC or the US Attorney-General? My point is, it isn't just one government agency that's blind to the fact$ - it's most of them, and they've been that way for many years so blaming Bush wouldn't be the first thing I would do.
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Re: Humpty Dumpty back together again?

Let us get something straight. AT&T and SBC didn't merge. SBC bought AT&T and then assumed the better known name of AT&T. What was left of AT&T is now a subsidiary of a regional phone company. That entity is a whithering vine.

Could SBC buy BellSouth? They have the means and they understand what being a local telco is about. They know that making money is not about selling long distance minutes.

Would it be a good thing? Hard to tell. But even though BellSouth is not hitting on all cylinders at the moment, they generate a huge amount of cash and have plenty in the bank. Someone would have to find the business case (shareholder value) for the merger. I'm not sure I see it at the moment.
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Re: Humpty Dumpty back together again?

Can you explain the difference between a merger and a purchase. Can you then explain how that is relevant to whether or not the US government should be involved in making sure the customer is not being harmed?

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said by rileyjam514 See Profile :

Come on. Tell me no one saw this coming and I'll tell all of you about this wonderful bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn.
Of which NYC is getting to know once again.:D
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AT&T is valuable...

SBC knew what they were doing in buying AT&T Corp.

AT&T:
-The world's most advanced and expansive IP and Communication Network with reliability unmatched;
-The most valuable name in communication;
-The majority of Fortune 1000 companies as customers.

SBC got a great deal for 16 billion dollars.

Why is a merger of the telcos a good thing?
The USA used to have the most efficient and advanced telecom network in the world until Bell System Breakup. The advanced services and research the Bell System Bell Labs developed have fueled today's world - Unix, C Programming Langague, Transister. etc etc etc ... it goes on and on.

Telcom rates for local service have never been higher (figure inflation and etc) - back in the day of the Bell System phone service was dirt cheap.

The merger of all telcos would allow them to stop worry about competing with them selves and work on delivering advanced services like fiber...

-Vincent

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Here is a Reminder as to why Ma Bell Sucked

It's obvious many people here who are for AT&T and BS merging are ignorant as to why Ma Bell was broken up in the first place. Here's a small sample of the things Ma Bell did in the past which prompted its breakup in the first place:

    •You had to rent your phone (notice I did not use a plural here) from them. You could not even choose the phone you wanted to use! Didn't like the old Ma Bell touch tone phone? Tough!

    •After you rented your phone, forget about adding things like speakerphones, answering machines and other "unapproved accessories" which could "destroy the phone network" to your phone, unless of course you paid a king's ransom to Ma Bell.

    •You had no control over the inside phone wiring in your house. My mom told me once about how Ma Bell tried to have my dad arrested because he "illegally" added a phone extension.

    •Ridiculously Expensive Long Distance Service - You see all those ads mocking people who wait till off-peak hours to make cell phone calls? Prior to 1984 this was a reality for all long distance service in the USA. If you did not wait till 11:00 PM you would be paying even more of an @$$-rapingly high rate to make long distance calls!

    •No Innovation - You really think Ma Bell would have gotten into the mobile phone racket if McCaw and his buddies couldn't create their own wireless phone system and have it connect to Ma Bell's phone network? You think MA Bell would have ever offered cheap Internet service if not for competition? You really think Ma Bell would allow VoIP providers to connect to their subscribers? Hah!


I know this barely scratches the surface. I am sure other people here know many more horror stories about how awful Ma Bell was and how we should be grateful that it is still dead (for now).
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Re: Here is a Reminder as to why Ma Bell Sucked

That chip on your shoulder must be really heavy.

While most of the underlying factual basis of your list is accurate, the specifics are not. I'm old enough (48+) to have had phone service in both the pre- and post-Greene era. Most of what you enumerate was not true past about 1975. Some is exaggerated for effect and some is just untrue. How old are you, anyway? Was any of this part of your adult life?

The world you use as example no longer exists, if it ever did. Even if Verizon or SBC/ATT were to gobble up every other RBOC there still would be significant competition on all business fronts. You assume that Harold Greene's decision would be completely reversed and we'll all be back in the 60's again. That is just so much rhetorical fluff. Gaining the same monopoly status that AT&T (and GTE for that matter) had prior to 1983 is impossible today.

Is such a merger a good idea? Depends on who you are. If you are a normal customer, probably not, but probably not an economic disaster either. If you are a stockholder, probably. If you are a communications lawyer, you just got that new BMW...

But quit trying to pretend that we'll all be using dial phones and paying 50 cents a minute if such a reassembly of Ma Bell should happen. "Telegraph companies", indeed.

The phone company is certainly not an example of customer-centric service and value, but your argument is just plain silly.
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Re: Here is a Reminder as to why Ma Bell Sucked

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

The world you use as example no longer exists, if it ever did. Even if Verizon or SBC/ATT were to gobble up every other RBOC there still would be significant competition on all business fronts. You assume that Harold Greene's decision would be completely reversed and we'll all be back in the 60's again. That is just so much rhetorical fluff. Gaining the same monopoly status that AT&T (and GTE for that matter) had prior to 1983 is impossible today.
Say Ma Bell did come back together. Do you really think Ma Bell would allow for competitors like cell phones and VoIP providers to connect to customers on its network? Do you think the government which allows Ma Bell to come back would require that Ma Bell retain the ability for its competition to connect to its network? Heck, Ma Bell is no longer getting a cut from people renting or purchasing equipment anymore so they could go back and make the silly requirement that you use only their equipment again (cell phone companies still do this because they can).

My assumption that the things Ma Bell was able to get away with would happen again if Ma Bell was back is true because they did happen when Ma Bell existed. If you create the same exact set of circumstances that existed prior to 1984, you would see the exact same outcomes that occurred prior to 1984.
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Re: Here is a Reminder as to why Ma Bell Sucked

said by pnh102 See Profile :

If you create the same exact set of circumstances that existed prior to 1984, you would see the exact same outcomes that occurred prior to 1984.
That was RadioDoc's point. The exact same conditions don't exist and never will. Did Sprint, Verizon, and Cingular exist in 1984? No. Did cable systems have a presence in voice communications in 1984? No. Did packet switched networks carrying voice exist in 1984? No. None of these will be going away simply because AT&T buys BellSouth.

Allowing AT&T to merge with BellSouth may not be good on many levels, but it won't cause the state of telecom circa 1984 to miraculously reappear. As RadioDoc says, your argument is silly.

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Inevitable...

It's just a matter of time until AT&T or Verizon makes a bid for BellSouth. Like the last round of acquisitions, I'd imagine one will get BellSouth, and the other Qwest.

After that, how long will it take for the two remaining siblings to make up?
attsbcisgay

join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: Inevitable...

I wish Verizon would take over BS, then the upload increase of BS's user to 864 from 384-512 would make my days. ILY.

G_Poobah

join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY

FCC is the problem

The problem with the mergers, the net neutrality, the filters, the **AA's, etc can all be traced back to the FCC. Sure, congress is owned, and makes all sorts of dumb laws. But the root cause of the problem is that the FCC no longer represents the BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE. It's almost as screwed up as FEMA, and we all saw how well FEMA did after the hurricane. FEMA was bought and paid for by large corporations, who reaped untold billions of profits for many years, because the large corps are not stupid.

Buying off the top man is money you have to spend if your a lobbyist, but it's not where the real investment is. The real investment is buying off, and getting your own bureaucrats promoted to the right level. That's how you get policy created. That's how you build a long term power engine. And that's what we have today. Government agencies wholesale owned by corporations.

The solution, of course, is to look at history, where Stalin was right, when he purged his military at the beginning of WW2. The only way to clean our government now is to purge all the 'officers' (bureaucrats). Sure, it'll be screwed up for a while, but the high level bureaucrats are a cancer, paid for and owned by the corporations. Until that is done, replacing the head of the FCC is treating the symptoms, not the cause.
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manfmmd
Premium
join:2003-01-14
Earth
clubs:

Re: FCC is the problem

said by G_Poobah See Profile :

The problem with the mergers, the net neutrality, the filters, the **AA's, etc can all be traced back to the FCC. Sure, congress is owned, and makes all sorts of dumb laws. But the root cause of the problem is that the FCC no longer represents the BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE. It's almost as screwed up as FEMA, and we all saw how well FEMA did after the hurricane. FEMA was bought and paid for by large corporations, who reaped untold billions of profits for many years, because the large corps are not stupid.

Buying off the top man is money you have to spend if your a lobbyist, but it's not where the real investment is. The real investment is buying off, and getting your own bureaucrats promoted to the right level. That's how you get policy created. That's how you build a long term power engine. And that's what we have today. Government agencies wholesale owned by corporations.

The solution, of course, is to look at history, where Stalin was right, when he purged his military at the beginning of WW2. The only way to clean our government now is to purge all the 'officers' (bureaucrats). Sure, it'll be screwed up for a while, but the high level bureaucrats are a cancer, paid for and owned by the corporations. Until that is done, replacing the head of the FCC is treating the symptoms, not the cause.
Remind me again who has Authority and Regulatory Control over the FCC and FEMA (Your choices above)..
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

The solution, of course, is to look at history, where Stalin was right, when he purged his military at the beginning of WW2. The only way to clean our government now is to purge all the 'officers' (bureaucrats).
You really shouldn't look to someone who murdered at least 20-40 million of his own people and starved millions more as a source for how to run a government correctly. That's like saying Adolf Hitler was a bad guy but he sure as heck solved Germany's employment problems!
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manfmmd
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
clubs:

Re: FCC is the problem

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by G_Poobah See Profile :

The solution, of course, is to look at history, where Stalin was right, when he purged his military at the beginning of WW2. The only way to clean our government now is to purge all the 'officers' (bureaucrats).
You really shouldn't look to someone who murdered at least 20-40 million of his own people and starved millions more as a source for how to run a government correctly. That's like saying Adolf Hitler was a bad guy but he sure as heck solved Germany's employment problems!
I hear that Pol Pot and Mao Zedong are on his "Holiday" mailing list.
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Ahh.....

No, not likely...

Sounds like a beavis and butthead idea if I ever hear of one... without some double digit BILLION DOLLAR investment in FTTP=fiber to the premesis. I would deep 6 this one, there is absolutely no way the new sbc(att) can gobble up bellsouth without these guaranteed investments for doing away with copper altogether for next generation GPON's.

Otherwise, this is a non-starter.
tkdslr

join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
·Speakeasy

I doubt it...

First, It must get by multiple approvals, DOJ, DOC, FCC and state PSC's.

SBC/AT&T is already a conglomerate of baby bells, I.E. Pacific Telesis, Southwestern Bell, Ameritech, and now the parent AT&T. Three out of seven baby bells, plus long distance/lines division.

Even if approved.. Swallowing up a fourth Baby bell is likely to end up in court. Some one will sue, and they'll likely prevail.

Verizon has similar problems.. It's made up of Bell Atlantic, NYNEX, MCI, and GTE (AT&T's former manufacturing division).

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_B···_company

Bell South's Achilles heal is the number of land falling Hurricanes. They have recently damaged significant portions of BS's infrastructure. That pattern will continued into the foreseeable future.

I.E. Do you really want to purchase a bunch of bowling pins? (With land falling hurricanes being the Bowling Balls).
tractor57

join:2004-11-28
East Bend, NC

Re: I doubt it...

I thought Western Electric was the manufacturing arm of ATT and that it was spun off as Lucent. Lots of my family worked for Western Electric and I even went to college on one of their scholarships.

Fatal Vector

join:2005-11-26

Re: I doubt it...

Yes, Western electric WAS the manufacturing arm and Bell Labs was the research division (Invented the transistor and so on). GTE was the only competitor and was mostly in small BFE towns.
GA BULLDAWG

join:2005-12-18
Hephzibah, GA

I hope so

Then I could transfer to GA and keep my time and title.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: Could AT&T Gobble Up BellSouth?

One reason it's doubtful is that Verizon isn't likely to be blindsided again the way they were when SBC acquired AT&T.
BrotherJPW

join:2003-11-27
Glen Ellyn, IL

Re: Could AT&T Gobble Up BellSouth?

What is next verizon
attsbcisgay

join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: Could AT&T Gobble Up BellSouth?

at&t that name seem familiar, and that global symbolism looks scary... Like the movie 2010
It's going to swallow up everything like a black hole. Yikes.
mmoon

join:2005-12-03
Marietta, GA

True competition

The only true competition would have been to force RBOCs to share lines by being a maintenance company and a separate sales company competing with outside "CLEC" companies on equal footing. That would then give everyone interested a chance at customers.
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