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story category Court Allows Verizon Deregulation to Stand
No decision by the FCC turns out to be a decision
11:32AM Saturday Dec 08 2007 by KathrynV
tags: legal · fcc · business · Verizon Online DSL
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In 2006, Verizon petitioned the FCC to waive certain broadband regulations that it said were “no longer necessary”.
“Among other things, the broadband service regulations lifted on Verizon included requirements for making connections to competing networks and negotiating just and reasonable terms for its services.”
The FCC failed to take action on that petition because they were deadlocked in trying to make a decision.

A federal appeals court has determined that FCC failure to deny a petition should be taken to mean that the petition has been granted. The court recognized that the existing procedure for dealing with these cases is flawed. It essentially means that when an issue is complex enough to end in a deadlock, the petition is considered granted and there is no legal justification for reviewing the issue. This has prompted a re-evaluation of the procedure.

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TK Junk Mail
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December 8th, @11:39AM

The dereg approved by court only applies to Businesses

»www.news.com/Verizon-exemption-c···407.html
The exemption gives Verizon the power to charge its business customers and competitive carriers, who use Verizon's local access network to connect to businesses, whatever it likes. That means prices for the use of the network could rise. Verizon, though, argues the move will lead to more competitive pricing and allow it more flexibility in serving customers.

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Re: The dereg approved by court only applies to Businesses

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

»www.news.com/Verizon-exemption-c···407.html
The exemption gives Verizon the power to charge its business customers and competitive carriers, who use Verizon's local access network to connect to businesses, whatever it likes. That means prices for the use of the network could will rise. Verizon, though, argues the move will lead to more competitive pricing and allow it more flexibility in serving customers.
Fixed that quote...
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Insane

Since Verizon took BILLIONS in taxpayer money, they should be compelled to play by some simple pro-consumer rules like line sharing.

So now, not only do they get to thieve billions from Joe Taxpayer for deployments that never happened, they take sole ownership (read no competition from line sharing) to then put Joe Taxpayer over a barrel.

Thanks FCC, you stupid f*cks.
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Re: Insane

said by DotMac See Profile :

So now, not only do they get to thieve billions from Joe Taxpayer for deployments that never happened, they take sole ownership (read no competition from line sharing) to then put Joe Taxpayer over a barrel.
See »The dereg approved by court only applies to Businesses above. The dereg only applied to businesses and not residences.
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December 8th, @11:57AM

Re: Insane

So what. I own a small business (sole proprietorship) and use DSL as a backup to my Covad Wireless service which could also be impacted by this ruling. My business isn't large enough to warrant paying hundreds a month for T-1 service and I rely on reasonably priced telco wireline data service to conduct my business either directly from Verizon or through resellers of Verizon.

The lameasses at the FCC just gave Verizon the carte blanche to bend me and Covad over for their service and eliminate competitors despite Verizon taking billions in taxpayer dollars (including those $$$ paid by small business owners just like me). Verizon has a long history of overcharging business for services and this will just turn bad into worse.

If Verizon wants to give back the billions they stole from taxpayers, I would reconsider my position.

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Re: Insane

I wonder whether this case will affect AT&T with regard to their territory and their business customers?

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I wonder whether this case will affect AT&T with regard to their territory and their business customers?
Im sure there getting the lube ready as we speak.
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Re: Insane

AT&T will take joy in doing it without any lube.

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said by DotMac See Profile :

AT&T will take joy in doing it without any lube.
I stand corrected
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Im sure Verizon would pay back the money they were given to build the Network.. Then the government could reimburse them for the Maint of the network and the cost of running service to every customer that wants a phone, no matter what the cost was.. I would say Verizon would make out to the good in that deal.. These companies should have started putting in a network when they had the chance.. Everyone wants Verizon to Maint the Network and they just ride for free, which is what they are doing with the current regulations..
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Re: Insane

said by CrazyTown :

Im sure Verizon would pay back the money they were given to build the Network.. Then the government could reimburse them for the Maint of the network and the cost of running service to every customer that wants a phone, no matter what the cost was.. I would say Verizon would make out to the good in that deal.. These companies should have started putting in a network when they had the chance.. Everyone wants Verizon to Maint the Network and they just ride for free, which is what they are doing with the current regulations..
You're living in a different world than this one... All of the incumbents have never given a dime back except when forced to by the courts..and that has been as rare as hen's teeth.
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How does paying more for the loop than what it costs Vz to maintain constitute a free ride?

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Re: Insane

said by cmaenginsb See Profile :

How does paying more for the loop than what it costs Vz to maintain constitute a free ride?
In telco shill logic, anything short of Verizon doing anything it wants constitutes a free ride.

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said by CrazyTown :

Then the government could reimburse them for the Maint of the network and the cost of running service to every customer that wants a phone, no matter what the cost was.. I would say Verizon would make out to the good in that deal.
They do get money for rural deployment, it's call the USF and they do make out good in that deal, often too good as the USF if ripe with fraud. And these USF free-bes are in addition to the billions they stole from taxpayers like those in Pennsylvania who were promised fiber deployment in exchange for $2.1 billion taxpayer dollars.

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Dude. It's one thing to be a shill, but posting such absurd, intelligence-insulting arguments: have you no self-respect whatsoever?
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Passed on to Consumers

Many stores process payment with card readers that require some internet access. They pay more we pay more.
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Re: Passed on to Consumers

true but its a big box store they have a deal worked out already for their internet access chances are it runs over a private network. And thousands of stores already use another form to process cards besides phone anymore. having a dedicated line to each machine is $$$$ and takes time to dial out and get approved then discount and redo it again for the next customer.

But could always go back to the paper way to charge people.
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Great, Bush will love this..

Congress is deadlocked on attacking Iran, Yay that means yes.

WTH Was that Judge thinking. There's no basis in law that states when any comittee in the government fails to make a decision that it means yes. It's a flagrant violation of the seperation of powers. He should of said they must adhere to the current regulations and petition those who are deadlocked to move forward.

What a retard.
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