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JasonOD
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2011-Feb-23 10:31 am
No permission, no dice....What did they expect, really? Not that they should have expected to get permission, but did they not learn 'mommy may I...?' when they were little?? | |
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openbox9
Premium Member
2011-Feb-23 10:42 am
Re: No permission, no dice....Easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission maybe? I don't imagine anyone saw this initiative succeeding with exception of maybe the CEO. | |
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Sammer
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2011-Feb-23 11:09 am
Re: No permission, no dice....I'm not a lawyer but it seems pretty clear that the law, the intent of Congress, and court precedents all suggest that what Ivi attempted is copyright infringement. | |
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Bummer-but no surpriseThe PQ wasn't good enough to watch sports so the only thing I found myself watching was ME and ME-TOO out of Chicago. A fun toy to have while it lasted, but there's no way the NAB was going to let this go on for long. | |
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88615298 (banned) join:2004-07-28 West Tenness |
88615298 (banned)
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2011-Feb-23 11:10 am
can't have it both ways.In her ruling, Buchwald writes:
In other words, defendants argue that ivi is a cable system for purposes of the Copyright Act, and thus may take advantage of the compulsory license, but that it is not a cable system for purposes of the Communications Act, and thus it need not comply with the requirements of that Act and the rules of the FCC promulgated thereunder.
It seems ivi wants it both ways. Either your a cable company or not. | |
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MartyT
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2011-Feb-23 11:35 am
How about ustvnow.com?I can watch broadcast TV for "FREE" on my iPhone and Roku box using » www.ustvnow.com/. All the content appears to originate from Harrisburg PA. Wonder if they will be around long? They say they are for American citizens living abroad, but I live in South Carolina and can watch from here. They also offer standard cable TV channels. | |
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dman
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2011-Feb-23 2:43 pm
Re: How about ustvnow.com?How did this work for you? I just tried to register and it denied me due to my ip address being in the US. I really would love this for my phone. | |
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Cito
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2011-Feb-23 7:08 pm
Re: How about ustvnow.com?use this » www.daveproxy.co.ukfree proxy from the UK you can bounce off of it and it masks your ip address as if you were coming from the UK just registered for that ustvnow.com bouncing through the UK proxy and it worked otherwise just use » icefilms.info it's totally free and has all tv shows/movies/etc | |
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How are you watching this on your Roku? I went to the website and was told i had a banned ip address because i live in the USA. Is there a code to enter into the roku? | |
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Re: can't have it both ways.said by 88615298:It seems ivi wants it both ways. Either your a cable company or not. I don't think it's that IVI wants it both ways, rather it wants it one way but the other way doesn't apply to them. I'm curious as to what grounds ivi would fall under the jurisdiction of the FCC as far as their laws/regulations are concerned. | |
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said by 88615298:In her ruling, Buchwald writes:
In other words, defendants argue that ivi is a cable system for purposes of the Copyright Act, and thus may take advantage of the compulsory license, but that it is not a cable system for purposes of the Communications Act, and thus it need not comply with the requirements of that Act and the rules of the FCC promulgated thereunder.
It seems ivi wants it both ways. Either your a cable company or not. That killed them and the CEO of ivi trying to play the martyr role wasn't making it either. His business plan had a big hole in it and losing was inevitable. | |
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Business model"Many people of course don't see the point in a business model that charges people to watch over the air TV,"
Really? This is how Cable TV was started and for many years this is what kept them going. There is absolutely nothing wrong with charging to deliver OTA TV just like there is nothing wrong with selling and buying bottled water. You pay for the convenience and aesthetics of not having to deal with setting up an antenna. | |
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88615298 (banned)
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2011-Feb-23 12:07 pm
Re: Business modelsaid by fifty nine:"Many people of course don't see the point in a business model that charges people to watch over the air TV,"
Really? This is how Cable TV was started and for many years this is what kept them going. There is absolutely nothing wrong with charging to deliver OTA TV just like there is nothing wrong with selling and buying bottled water. You pay for the convenience and aesthetics of not having to deal with setting up an antenna. Sure you can sell access to OTA tv IF you have permission. ivi didn't. Pretty simple. | |
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vpoko
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2011-Feb-23 12:21 pm
Re: Business modelsaid by 88615298:Sure you can sell access to OTA tv IF you have permission. ivi didn't. Pretty simple. Don't people read or do they just post to post? Fifty nine quoted what he was replying to, which was only, "Many people of course don't see the point in a business model that charges people to watch over the air TV." | |
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88615298 (banned)
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2011-Feb-23 1:40 pm
Re: Business modelsaid by vpoko:said by 88615298:Sure you can sell access to OTA tv IF you have permission. ivi didn't. Pretty simple. Don't people read or do they just post to post? Fifty nine quoted what he was replying to, which was only, "Many people of course don't see the point in a business model that charges people to watch over the air TV." Do you post to just complain about others postings or to actually contribute? | |
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vpoko
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2011-Feb-23 1:59 pm
Re: Business modelsaid by 88615298:Do you post to just complain about others postings or to actually contribute? Do you post just to question why other people post? We can do this all day! But seriously, yes, sometimes I do just post to complain about someone's post, if that post was stupid enough to warrant it. | |
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The tv distribution networks in Canada (primarily cable) did this for years.
Pull the channels out of the air, and delivered it to you via cable. Good money maker if you ask me. | |
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ivishouldwin
Anon
2011-Feb-23 12:51 pm
Judge paid offThe judge was paid to say exactly what they said. Without explanation, the simple comment of "You just can't do that" without backing up exactly why in the same sentence is simply not constitutional. Judges can not make up rules, and IVI is current in their statement that they are operating under the context of a cable company while not having to file regulations with the FCC.
I never pay for cable or sat tv. I support the new startups like netflix and ivi. They make sense. They save money instead of gouging us of our hard earned money.
You have 1 TV and pay $57 per month for a cable service but you can only watch 1 channel at a time. You have to purchase "packages" of channels in a tier group.
Comcast is a perfect example of robbery, and this happens each year they are denied an increase of cable fees. You like to watch TV right? You know how they are pushing the digital boxes at you? Did you know they can tell exactly what you watch and when? They do a qrtly average of the shift in the habits of its viewers and do what they call a channel slide!
So for example you are currently paying $57.95 per month for cable and you get Spike TV as one of your tier channels. What if you watch that channel all the time. What if 45% of the public does the same thing in the same area, they pay $57.95 and watch spike TV.
Guess what happens then, Comcast will do a channel slide based on the watching habits of its users and will change Spike TV and move it into another TIER group. While Comcast knows you watch other channels in the current tier, it forces you to do two things. 1: give up the Spike TV, or two, buy the next tear for $9.99 more per month (or more) and wallah.. Instant increase in cable cost!!
So now you know why I hate cable TV and TV providers in general. Subscribe to Netflix, watch free shows on ABC.com, fancast.com... There is plenty to watch that is free, with very little if any commercials.
If the BIG TV companies were worried about what you were watching (seeing its available in all states anyways), and protecting their advertisers investments, then they need to be a little more proactive in providing companies like IVI with a way to tap in and use the signal.
Corporate GREED my friends, CORPORATE GREED!
I am happy with my netflix, and my ABC and HULU. I pay no more than $18 bucks per month to watch EVERYthing I ever wanted to watch that would be on the way too expensive cable box! | |
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kd6cae
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2011-Feb-23 1:00 pm
Why can't I watch out of area stations if I wish?I do not understand why if I wish to watch an out of market | |
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openbox9
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2011-Feb-23 1:11 pm
Re: Why can't I watch out of area stations if I wish?Because the copyright holders choose not to let you? Probably dilutes their advertising revenue when they lose the ability to target specific markets. | |
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It's not illegal to watch just illegal to distribute without permission of both the network and your local affiliates. | |
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WhatNow
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2011-Feb-23 7:42 pm
Re: Why can't I watch out of area stations if I wish?It is the same deal as internet radio. OTA radio broadcasts for free but internet radio has to pay royalties for the same music. | |
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rradina
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2011-Feb-24 11:01 pm
Re: Why can't I watch out of area stations if I wish?Regarding the subject: I think it has to do with rules setup for cable operators many years ago. As cable gained popularity, OTA broadcasters feared cable would bring in network channels from the big metro areas (NY, CHI, LA) and compete for their local viewers. The government stepped in and said cable operators must offer the local affiliates and not bring in like network affiliates from other markets. | |
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