  baineschile 2600 Premium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Upload Why are companies so afraid of upload speeds? | |
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 |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: Upload Because upstream DOCSIS 3.0 channel bonding hasn't been perfected yet? | |
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join:2009-08-11 Providence, RI | Re: Upload you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream
its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios | |
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join:2009-08-21 New Bedford, MA | CC has 50/10 for 99$ when bundled thats a decent price, i can deal with that. | |
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| said by binded2 :you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? | |
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| Re: Upload said by jmn1207 :said by binded2 :you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? Standalone or bundle? | |
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join:2009-08-21 New Bedford, MA | Re: Upload 50/20 for 90$ is an awesome price espcially if it is standalone, even if it is bundle it is still good. | |
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| said by Eat Me :said by jmn1207 :said by binded2 :you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? Standalone or bundle? I have TV service too, but you can get it for $95 alone with a one year commitment or $115 month-to-month. | |
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join:2007-04-14 Virginia Beach, VA | Virginia is the only state that gets that low of a price on the top tier on FiOS. I'm not sure of the price in other states, but it is quite a bit higher. | |
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| said by jmn1207 :said by binded2 :you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? because not even one gets it for $90 here in rhode island its listed as $145
Fastest Download up to 50 Mbps / Upload up to 20 Mbps
FREE Wi-Fi access included
Wireless router included
Included for one computer
$139.95/mo. with phone
$144.95/mo. with out phone | |
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| said by Karl Bode :Because upstream DOCSIS 3.0 channel bonding hasn't been perfected yet? You're such an industry shill. -- with every mistake we must surely be learning | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Good question. Comcast appears to be comfortable giving people 10 Mbps connections on the high end. Then again, Comcast doesn't put very many houses on a node compared with other cable systems, so Cox may not have a much headroom. | |
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| said by baineschile :Why are companies so afraid of upload speeds? With some technologies, such as DOCSIS and ADSL, each frequency band can only be allocated to either an upstream or downstream channel. As a result, the more channels they dedicate to upstream, the fewer they have available to dedicate to downstream.
Consumer ISP's know that residential subs do a lot more downloading than uploading, so they allocate bandwidth where it's needed.
There are other technical reasons as well. For example, with ADSL you don't have as many issues with crosstalk in the downstream direction. By the time the signal has degraded enough for crosstalk to become a problem, it's already been fanned out to a wide enough geographic area that it's not an issue. Upstream, however, all of the far ends are in the same cable bundle, so they have to stick with lower speeds in order to minimize crosstalk.
And of course there's the cynical reason: upstream bandwidth is for businesses, and they want to charge you more for business service. -- Art Cancro UNCENSORED! BBS »uncensored.citadel.org | |
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| Re: Upload Its not that a channel is allocated to upstream or downstream, its wiring limits. For HFC/coax, the amplifiers have only a handful of upstream channels that have to contain DAVIC, DOCSIS, legacy analog, etc to control the boxes, PPV, MOD, VOD, IPG data, etc.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer···quencies
For DSL, the problem is crosstalk at the CO. When the upstream data reaches the CO, its already weak, but all the RFI/harmonics from all the other pairs in the ducts and building weaken the upload even more by the time it enters the line card. For DSL download channels, its very quiet at your house, you have many times less RFI than at the CO, so your modem gets a much stronger signal and can go faster. | |
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| said by baineschile :Why are companies so afraid of upload speeds? because upload can ALWAYS be used unlike downstream which depends on how fast the server can upload to you. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| As more folks want to do such things as send videos, or do Off site data backups, upstream will become more and more important. Internet providers need to realize that the internet is a two way communications medium. They should not ignore those of us who want to make use of our upstream capacity, and I'm not even talking about p2p file sharing here. I'm talking about such things as sending high quality videos to youtube, or performing off site backups using services such as carbonite or any other backup service or backing up to a dedicated server if one has that. For now, not as many people generally do uploading, but that doesn't mean it should outright be ignored. Here where I live, Time warner offers 2Mbps upload on their top tier, but although my modem is configured for 2mbps, the highest speed I can ever achieve even during non-peak time is about 1.3Mbps or so. I've taken my modem to other locations and have achieved my full 2Mbps upstream, so I wonder why I can't get it here? I hope TWC will offer 5Mbps upstream to all it's user at least at some point. | |
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join:2009-08-11 Providence, RI 1 edit | to much money i dont see why there trying to compete with a service thats only $57.95 for 50Mbps but they want to chage $90 for 50/5
alot less for alot more
death to the cable company
to little to late cable | |
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| Re: to much money said by binded2 :i dont see why there trying to compete with a service thats only $57.95 for 50Mbps but they want to chage $90 for 50/5 alot less for alot more death to the cable company to little to late cable Real nice saying death to the cable company. If it weren't for the cable company you'd probably still be stuck with dialup or DSL 1mbps. | |
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| Re: to much money said by Eat Me :said by binded2 :i dont see why there trying to compete with a service thats only $57.95 for 50Mbps but they want to chage $90 for 50/5 alot less for alot more death to the cable company to little to late cable Real nice saying death to the cable company. If it weren't for the cable company you'd probably still be stuck with dialup or DSL 1mbps. Word. My situation is exactly that.
Comcast is hardly perfect (particularly on the caps and throttling), but they pulled fiber to my street to provide high speed internet, less than a year after the ATTBi acquisition.
AT&T has been here since practically the dawn of time, and won't provide anything more than overpriced POTS, and I live in the "Silicon Valley" no less. Complacency is the name of the game for telcos.
I'd still be stuck on dial-up without Comcast. And I'm hardly alone. | |
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| Cox Marketing Wow, Cox sure doesn't understand marketing in Lafayette. Lafayette offers the following tiers. 10/10 - $30 30/30 - $45 50/50 - $60
Cox offers: 50/5 - $90
Tell me, which one is the better deal? I'd say ANY of the Lafayette options are. Just completely ignoring the download speed, any of Lafayette's upload speeds are double or better Cox's offerings. Even the closest apples to apples comparison, Cox is still $30 higher than the competition. That's a big difference I think. | |
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 |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: Cox Marketing Well, Cox has to recoup the money they spent on lawyers who tried for years to crush the Lafayette fiber project (which citizens VOTED FOR) with lawsuits, push polls, and disinformation. | |
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| Re: Cox Marketing said by Karl Bode :Well, Cox has to recoup the money they spent on lawyers who tried for years to crush the Lafayette fiber project (which citizens VOTED FOR) with lawsuits, push polls, and disinformation. Haha that sounds like a typical ad during election season. | |
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| said by JoelC707 :Wow, Cox sure doesn't understand marketing in Lafayette. Lafayette offers the following tiers. 10/10 - $30 30/30 - $45 50/50 - $60 Cox offers: 50/5 - $90 cox understands it plenty well. lus fiber in lafayette has yet to deploy fiber city-wide. it will take them almost another year or so (if not more) to have fiber in their entire desired footprint. as it stands now, if people want the high speeds but aren't served by ftth - they have to go to cox.
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| said by JoelC707 :Wow, Cox sure doesn't understand marketing in Lafayette. Lafayette offers the following tiers. 10/10 - $30 30/30 - $45 50/50 - $60 Cox offers: 50/5 - $90 Tell me, which one is the better deal? I'd say ANY of the Lafayette options are. Just completely ignoring the download speed, any of Lafayette's upload speeds are double or better Cox's offerings. Even the closest apples to apples comparison, Cox is still $30 higher than the competition. That's a big difference I think. And that $90 is only first year. what does it shoot up to after the intro expires? -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| dslextreme if your in ri like me not that i have it but dslextreme has a rebranded fios internet for way cheaper then the cable company or verizon for 50/20 and you dont need to tripple play any thing
»https://www.dslextreme.com/Services/Inte···ult.aspx
just some thing to look at if any one is interested
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| Re: only a response... said by tubbynet :this move is only a response to the threat of qwest vdsl speeds in the phoenix market. without qwest announcing the 40/20 plan, arizona would have been another area that was left "just better than the other guys". 5mbps upload is a far cry from the 17mbps upload you'd get from qwest. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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join:2001-01-03 Scottsdale, AZ | 50 can't even get 28 right now. They can't even give me my speed on Premier Plus at 28 Mbps so don't know how they are going to offer 50 Mbps. | |
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