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Cox Brings 50Mbps To Virginia
$109 introductory price for new DOSCIS 3.0 tier...
by Karl Bode 04:37PM Tuesday May 05 2009
Cox Communications says the company is deploying the company's faster DOCSIS 3.0 "Ultimate" tier into Northern Virginia, specifically Fairfax County and Fredericksburg. According to the company, the new speedier tier will cost customers $139.99 per month, with an introductory rate of $109 per month. The 50Mbps downstream 5Mbps upstream service should hit 55Mbps with the nudge provided by Powerboost, a technology that boosts speeds for the first few moments of a download.

Cox first unveiled the faster service last month in Lafayette, Louisiana. Lafayette is of course the site of a municipal fiber deployment Cox tried very hard to shut down. They failed, and the city now provides standalone symmetrical tiers of 10Mbps, 30Mbps and 50Mbps for $28.95, $44.95 and $57.95 respectively. In Lafayette, Cox offers their 50Mbps Ultimate tier for $90 per month.

In the competitive hills of Northern Virginia, Cox is competing with Verizon, who offers a 50Mbps FiOS tier for $94.50 a month unbundled. That price point creeps higher in less competitive markets, where Verizon offers 50Mbps for up to $145 per month. Comcast offers their own DOCSIS 3.0 "Extreme 50" tier for $139.95. Cablevision became the industry price per bit leader last week by unveiling a new 101Mbps tier for $99 per month.

As for Cox, the company says the new tier is "the gold standard for speed and reliability." "Our customers have said they want an online experience that allows them to do more, do it faster and on a network they trust," says Cox Northern Virginia Senior VP Janet Barnard. "DOCSIS 3.0 lets them do that."

Well, sort of. Cox's new speed comes with a few caveats consumers will want to be made aware of. Cox announced in January they were beta testing a new throttling system that takes aim at specific protocols -- specifically P2P FTP, and other "non-time sensitive" file protocols. The company is also the only ISP we know of that employs a "three strikes" rule that boots repeated copyright violators from the Cox network.

Cox says they plan to offer the faster 50Mbps tier to "several" Cox markets by the end of 2009, and to more than two-thirds of the company's footprint in 2010. For most cable operators, the determination of where they deploy DOCSIS 3.0 is being determined by Verizon FiOS. Given the limited deployment of FiOS nationally, and the fact that the majority of customers are perfectly happy with slower speeds (20Mbps seems to be the sweet spot right now), most carriers aren't exactly chomping at the bit to get DOCSIS 3.0 into the field.

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jmn1207
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FiOS 50/20 is Cheaper

Just to be clear, in Northern Virginia, the FiOS 50/20 plan is $89.95 bundled with phone service and $94.95 unbundled.

I use SlingBox Pro, and the cable upload is just barely adequate if you have other people sharing the line and using the connection. The upload I had with Comcast was 16/2 with PowerBoost, and that could not handle the SlingBox and allow decent performance for others still at home.

Edit: Attached a screen of the current prices.


Prices for FiOS in Northern Virginia

kdwycha

join:2003-01-30
Riverview, FL

Well....

I certainly do not understand why Verizon doesn't offer say 50/20 or 50/50 in these areas for the same price. They certainly have the ability to do so and maybe it would make cocks think a bit more on being a bit more competitive on price :P

DarkLogix
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Re: Well....

Ya if I were verizon I'd say here 89.99 100/100 and watch the people sign up

jmn1207
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Re: Well....

said by DarkLogix:

Ya if I were verizon I'd say here 89.99 100/100 and watch the people sign up
I doubt it. Just too high a price. Most people are fine with 20/5 speeds, and apparently with similar performance from their local cable provider, or else there would be a much higher turnover rate for homes passed.

DarkLogix
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Re: Well....

If I were Verizon then
100/100 89.99
75/75 65.99
50/50 50.00 (just for the fiftys)
30/30 35.99

and I'm sure with this price plan people would be running to get it

you'd have the everyone that could get it getting it and the people that want a ton of bandwidth would pay for the 100/100

Karl Bode
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Re: Well....

They could easily offer 100Mbps for $99 just like Cablevision.

The demand just isn't there yet to make that much of a difference in real numbers. Nobody can see their numbers, but I'm guessing that a few hundred people even bother going with that kind of speed right now....even most heavy users would probably congregate around the 20Mbps and 50Mbps mark.

It is however an important marketing bragging mark, something that's countered just by meeting them at 101Mbps/$99.

funchords
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Re: Well....

said by Karl Bode:

They could easily offer 100Mbps for $99 just like Cablevision.
Why have any speed cap at all. What a scam.

100 Megabits per second*

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jadebangle
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said by DarkLogix:

If I were Verizon then
100/100 89.99
75/75 65.99
50/50 50.00 (just for the fiftys)
30/30 35.99

and I'm sure with this price plan people would be running to get it

you'd have the everyone that could get it getting it and the people that want a ton of bandwidth would pay for the 100/100
Even if that is possible some ISP chose to do asymmetrical for fiber internet such as 5/1, 10/2, 20/3, 40/5, 60/10
Verizon Fios does this crap
In the near future I hope they would offer all symmetric but to conserve bandwidth they will make it asymmetric..
such as 10/10, 25/25, and 75/25

This is a little better but still far from the maximum of 100mbps in both direction at 89.95 a month
50mbps at 49.99
25mbps at 29.99
some would go for 50mbps, some at 25mbps and few at 100mbps
lilstone87

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My question is when will we see docsis 3.0 more inner city in virginia. Because hell i would love to see them running more docsis 3.0 modems then the current 1.1 they are running here.

EDIT: Also cox should have a 50/10 plan not just 50/5. hell even add a 30/5 plan in some markets. They would make money. As for the slower uploads in packages, is what i think hurts most, I mean hell why have a only 5mb up on a 50mb down connection? Just silly to me.

espaeth
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Re: Well....

said by lilstone87:

I mean hell why have a only 5mb up on a 50mb down connection?
Because no vendors have upstream channel bonding working yet with DOCSIS 3.0, so you're still grouping people on a shared 27mbps (minus overhead) upstream connection.
ajwees41
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Re: Well....

said by espaeth:

said by lilstone87:

I mean hell why have a only 5mb up on a 50mb down connection?
Because no vendors have upstream channel bonding working yet with DOCSIS 3.0, so you're still grouping people on a shared 27mbps (minus overhead) upstream connection.
why not not comcast doe 10mbps up.

espaeth
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Re: Well....

said by ajwees41:

why not not comcast doe 10mbps up.
They didn't start doing 10mbps until about 5-6 months after they first started deploying the 50mbps service -- it started out as 50/5 service.

I suspect Cox will adjust their tiers, depending on how the utilization shakes out once people start signing up.

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said by ajwees41:

said by espaeth:

said by lilstone87:

I mean hell why have a only 5mb up on a 50mb down connection?
Because no vendors have upstream channel bonding working yet with DOCSIS 3.0, so you're still grouping people on a shared 27mbps (minus overhead) upstream connection.
why not not comcast doe 10mbps up.
because unlike token downstream increases that go largely unused, whatever upload you have CAN be used funny!
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iansltx

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FiOS Wins

With DSLX's announcement of a 50/20 rebranded FiOS tier for $100/month, Cox is already behind unless they can convince sheeple that their PowerBoost tech is worth not only a 75% lower upload speed but also a higher price, expecially once their introductory discount period ends.

Of course, in areas where FiOS/LUS fiber aren't yet Cox will get customers, since 50/5 is still faster than anything xDSL can muster. However if they're competing head-to-head with FiOS, they're already losing.

Additionally, what's with the positively gimpy upload speeds that DOCSIS 3 operators are pushing out, compared with fiber offerings? Sure, 5 Mbps is better than 2 Mbps, but when the second-lowest tier on FiOS has 5 Mbps up and the next tier up is 20 Mbps, At $55 for 20/5 and $60 for 20/20, most people will go for fiber if they know anything. Particularly when you're comparing unthrottled everything with slower transfer speeds on the stuff that actually *needs* 50 Mbps. Seriously, who needs 50 Mbps for web surfing, gaming or even video conferencing? It's all about the high volume data transfers, and I'm betting Cox isn't going to do much to make sure multi-stream HD video works well on their network.

FiOS: 1 Cox: 0.25
lilstone87

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Portsmouth, VA
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Re: FiOS Wins

Well only a small percent of people have the choice between cable and fios. So alot of people are either stuck with shitty dsl or decent cable still, and it will be awhile before most people even see fios in there area.
Araiden

join:2008-04-12

Re: FiOS Wins

Cox, is to busy wasting billions of dollars trying to be a wireless company. If they had invested that money into the cable system....

duder

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cost to much

to high a price and for what maybe caps maybe some thing worse who knows anymore getting sick of all of this crap and caps

thecybernerd
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Great Falls, VA

Just Ordered

Just placed my order....I will see how it goes.....
lilstone87

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Portsmouth, VA
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Re: Just Ordered

said by thecybernerd:

Just placed my order....I will see how it goes.....
Foreal i see no reason for this kind of speed package for home use, i mean maybe more upload speed say 30/5 or 35/10. But hell only faster download speeds, for more then double the $$ comparedto there 20/3 package. No way would i see paying $140 for only 3/4mb down more per second, and just alittle over 1mb more upload speed. I mean hell you see alot of people seeing 3-5mb upload speeds already in area's.

thecybernerd
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Great Falls, VA

Re: Just Ordered

i download and upload a ton....The day fios become available i am going to look into their business packages because i am uploading a lot of stuff to my corp server.....
lilstone87

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Portsmouth, VA
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Re: Just Ordered

said by thecybernerd:

i download and upload a ton....The day fios become available i am going to look into their business packages because i am uploading a lot of stuff to my corp server.....
Well i understand going this route business wise, but as for a person just using it for home usage, i think paying that much would be a waist.
Sammer

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Canonsburg, PA

Re: Just Ordered

said by lilstone87:

Well i understand going this route business wise, but as for a person just using it for home usage, i think paying that much would be a waist.
FiOS 10/2 internet seems OK for my needs although giving up a couple of FiOS TV set-tops for faster internet seems tempting. However I suspect those with 50/20 FiOS see more with that 20 upload over 20/5 than they do with the 50 download. Even if their end is 50 Mbps I doubt that the other end that they're connected to through the internet is more than 30 Mbps very often.

Jackme3i2

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well

good for them

Now if they can help us in the bomdocks...