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Upgrades 86,000 miles of plant, now to tackle wireless
10:00AM Tuesday Sep 29 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: business · bandwidth · cable · Cox HSI
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According to Multichannel News, Cox just finished upgrading 86,000 miles of the carrier's 106,000 miles of coaxial plant to 1 Gigahertz. The upgrades give Cox a little added legroom when provisioning broadband and HD services, by providing markets with 140 to 250 MHz of additional bandwidth to work with. The report notes that Cox, who says they've spent $16 billion on upgrades over the next decade, will have spent more on the 1 GHz upgrades than they plan to spend on building out a wireless network. Cox is still fairly tight-lipped about their wireless broadband plans, but earlier this year vendors noted Cox would go from CDMA to LTE.

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djrobx

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Do their boxes support 1ghz?

Time Warner upgraded our area to 1ghz a few years ago, but that upgrade remains dormant. Their 2005 era Motorola cable boxes can't go beyond 850mhz. Are the Scientific Atlanta boxes able to use it?

A TW tech on the forum pointed out that Docsis 3 would be a natural fit for this new space since it's otherwise unused. But given that they had to hire a small army to rip out every line extender and swap it, it seems like a crazy expense for something they don't seem all that eager to install.
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Re: Do their boxes support 1ghz?

said by djrobx See Profile :

Time Warner upgraded our area to 1ghz a few years ago, but that upgrade remains dormant. Their 2005 era Motorola cable boxes can't go beyond 850mhz. Are the Scientific Atlanta boxes able to use it?

A TW tech on the forum pointed out that Docsis 3 would be a natural fit for this new space since it's otherwise unused. But given that they had to hire a small army to rip out every line extender and swap it, it seems like a crazy expense for something they don't seem all that eager to install.
99% of their boxes don't. From what I understand, all the boxes they are purchasing going forward from July can tune up to 1GHz.
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Re: Do their boxes support 1ghz?

said by BillRoland See Profile :

said by djrobx See Profile :

99% of their boxes don't. From what I understand, all the boxes they are purchasing going forward from July can tune up to 1GHz.
HD ones only?
ajwees41
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Re: Do their boxes support 1ghz?

DCX3400 - dual-tuner, high-definition DVR host set-top
* DCX3200 - single-tuner, high-definition host set-top
* DCX100 - single-tuner, standard-definition (HD in /SD out) host set-top

this is motorola's lineup for 1GHz mpeg4 boxes

rv65
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TWC is purchasing Samsung boxes which can do 1 GHz. The majority of the boxes in my house are the new Samsung boxes. I quite like them.

tubbynet
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said by djrobx See Profile :

Are the Scientific Atlanta boxes able to use it?
at this point, only a few d3 downstream carriers reside in this space (in fact in az the d3 carriers arent much above 840mhz). the new stbs are going to have to be deployed first. these are the new sci/atl explorer 8600hdc's (i believe cox is skipping the 8500s which also have gig tuners) and the motorola dcx line.
with these boxes, mpeg4 is also an option, but given the presence of clear qam channels and the lack of deployment of these boxen (so far), i wouldnt expect to see mpeg4 anytime soon.

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JSRoman
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Someone decipher please

"The report notes that Cox, who says they've spent $16 billion on upgrades over the next decade."

Did the spend 16 billion in last decade or will they spend 16 billion in coming decade?
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Re: Someone decipher please

said by JSRoman See Profile :

"The report notes that Cox, who says they've spent $16 billion on upgrades over the next decade."

Did the spend 16 billion in last decade or will they spend 16 billion in coming decade?
The Multichannel article states

"In the last 10 years, Cox CEO Patrick Esser said, the operator has invested $16 billion in network infrastructure "
iansltx

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Wireless backhaul over coax?

Cablevision has a DOCSIS 1.0 channel dedicated to backhauling their 3 Mbps down, 1.5 Mbps up WiFi system. Cox could run a 150/20 four-down one-up system specifically for their wireless network. Wouldn't give them a ton of upload bandwidth to play with comparatively, but that's still plenty of b\w in comparison to the speeds currently seen by WiMAX.

Also, the aggregate bandwidth of a 1GHz system is north of 5 Gbps. Not that it matters a ton, but that's about 25% more than the aggregate bandwidth of GPON. Granted, GPON is over a much smaller userbase and Cox has to split the frequencies up between internet, phone and TV, but it's something to think about.

Or Cox could do something mundane: add more HD channels. At three channels per QAM going from 860MHz to 1GHz gets you maybe 70 extra HD channels, enough to compete with FiOS if needed.
majortom1029

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Lindenhurst, NY

Re: Wireless backhaul over coax?

I could be wrong but i believe that docsis 3 allows the upload to be moved to above the 850mhz range. So comcast can start rolling out say 50/20 packages for internet now if they wanted to with the upload in the upper range.
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Re: Wireless backhaul over coax?

The problem isn't with the frequencies available for upload so much as the lack of upload-bonding gear in the field working right now. Realistically 15 Mbps is about the maximum for a shared-channel single-channel upload tier, though I saw 20-22 Mbps when I was playing around with 50/10 on Comcast (which actually does have PowerBoost).

Eat Me

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CDMA to LTE?

LTE ***is*** CDMA.
patcat88

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Re: CDMA to LTE?

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LTE ***is*** CDMA.
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shortyd999

join:2008-10-21
Birmingham, AL

1GHz?

Forgive me im clueless when it comes to cable technology. When they say they've upgrade to 1GHz, what exactly are they upgrading? I understand it when talking about wireless carrier using 850MHz or 1900Mhz and what have you, but what is the 1GHz when referring to cable providers??
patcat88

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Re: 1GHz?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer···quencies

1 GHZ means the cable company has all channels between 1 mhz and 1000 mhz.

800/1900 mhz for wireless is just 1 channel (10-40 mhz per company) per company. Cable has 100s of channels. Cable TV's magic is, they can use the same channels as are used over-the-air by TV, military, satellite, govt, cell phones, radar, etc, because cable TV keeps their signal trapped in a coax cable.
shortyd999

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Re: 1GHz?

OH, so its like OTA but in the actual cable itself? Didnt knw that. Learning is such a beautiful thing.
patcat88

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Re: 1GHz?

Yes, some of the OTA channels (VHF), and some of the cable channels are synonyms, UHF and cable TV bands overlap in some places, but the analog TV channels are aligned differently between UHF and cable TV. Digital TV is totally different with nothing common, Cable TV uses QAM to put a digital stream on the wire, OTA TV used VSB »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8VSB

Easiest way to imagine cable TV is, all the "radio stations" possible are available on cable TV, because the radio station only exists the coax. Totally enclosed. If you broadcasted a cable TV signal OTA, white vans or military jets will be there in 30 mins since the Cable TV signal overrode/interfered with the FCC licensed broadcasted signal.

870 mhz can fit 135 analog cable tv channels. 870 mhz is pretty high on the plant investment level, when cable TV started, it was only ~300-400 mhz, 40-60 analog channels. Going to 1000mhz, you get 157 analog channels.

Nowadays because of digital cable, you can fit 2 to 6 channels inside each analog cable tv channel, depending how cheap the cable TV company is.

Alot of cheap cable TV companies keep their systems in the 500s and 600s and 700s mhz (I forget the exact boundaries). FIOS TV is special, its an 870 mhz system, but no channels are allocated to analog or VOD or DOCSIS internet, giving alot more room for HD/SD broadcast digital channels.
macdude22

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Someone more knowledgeable than I in the area of cable infrastructure (my knowledge of cable technologies comes more from the radio world) can clarify this but I think historically the coax and end equipment only supported up to 550mhz, with recent technology reaching up to 800+mhz. At 6mhz a "channel" and the recent ability of mpeg4 compression you can fit quite a bit more content in another 200mhz of bandspace.

dvd536
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no 1ghz in phoenix yet

modem still syncs at below 600mhz
cableguy619

join:2003-06-24
Chula Vista, CA

higher freqs!!

just because your modem doesn't sync higher does not mean your system is not 1 gig. A downstream frequency is selected and not normally changed unless the MSO is moving things around. When Docsis 3.0 is launched you will definately see multiple freqs1!!
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