Cox Network Management Trial Goes Live Company VP makes media rounds to insist it won't be used much... Last month we profiled Cox's new network management system, which de-prioritizes certain types of traffic when the network gets congested. Unlike Comcast, Cox is targeting specific protocols, and any applications the company deems non-time-sensitive. Yet strangely, Cox tries to tell Cable Digital News that the new system "doesn't pick on particular protocols or applications." Cox SVP of technology Jay Rolls also insists it won't have to be used very often: "Most of the time our networks aren't sitting there in congestion or having problems. It's really the exception, not the norm. Think of this more as a tactical tool that can go on the spot and attack a problem that might crop up very quickly." Rolls is apparently making the media rounds, telling Multichannel News that Cox's first trial market (in Kansas/Arkansas) is live, and only upstream traffic is being tinkered with. "We only really have to battle this on the upstream," Rolls says. For downstream traffic, "it's my opinion that DOCSIS 3.0 will make that a non-issue as we bond downstream channels and increase overall per-node bandwidth capacity." Multichannel news quotes Rolls as saying the trial could take up to six weeks to complete, and that Cox "may get into this and find out we may not be able to measure [certain applications] properly." We spoke briefly with Rolls to clarify what this meant. "We hope to have results in the next 4 to 6 weeks," he tells us, "unless we discover as we go over the data that the required telemetry data we need to draw conclusions is not properly provided by the vendor."
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 |  |  | | Re: Really? not a fan of any type of control like this. However, they have been very forthcoming with information. Will see how it goes. | |
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| Re: Really? I guess what they are implicitly saying is that all encrypted traffic will be throttled now.
ever p2p application i use now has encryption options, eg bit torrent, and emule (they call it obfuscation), which until now seems to have been working, so I guess i can kiss that goodbye | |
|  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Re: Really? said by DataRiker:I guess what they are implicitly saying is that all encrypted traffic will be throttled now. ever p2p application i use now has encryption options, eg bit torrent, and emule (they call it obfuscation), which until now seems to have been working, so I guess i can kiss that goodbye Well you aren't in the trial area (Kansas and Arkansas) so you shouldn't be noticing anything. Are you?
Forget about the encryption options in BitTorrent and eMule as they are not likely to be effective. Today's DPI includes looking across multiple packets and the pattern/directions/lengths of the packets to guess at the protocols. So it'll be necessary (once again) for the P2P obfuscation to evolve to break up those predictable patterns. And so the world turns. Fortunately, the P2P developers can do this easily.
SOAPBOX Profit-driven network vendors get rich selling these new "solutions" to the foolish business suits inside ISPs (who haven't yet matured to realize the futility of it all). Some tech libertarians think we ought not have Network Neutrality regulation because ultimately, the Internet works around roadblocks anyway so regulations would be unnecessary. True to a point, but regulations would help prevent ISPs from making such dumb decisions in the first place and would return network vendors back to job 1 -- innovating in the space that actually grows the capacity of the network, not simply reshuffles it. /SOAPBOX -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL ... Do something! ... | |
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4 edits | Re: Really? Yes you are correct that i am not in the test area but about 6 months ago any torrents would experience unusually slow speeds which seemed to fix itself after enabling encrytion, didn't do any sophisticated research.
i don't have enough time right now to explain the emule behavior but clients would just drop off.
have not tested without encryption recently for a baseline
have not had the need too, all my torrents now reach over 1 MB/s (well with seeds that is)
actually I am very happy with cox for now, works awesome, except for that brief time period | |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Why this PR was Inadequate Disclosure It will only be used on the upstream? Where was that in the disclosure?
And are they -- or aren't they -- looking at specific protocols? How do they know, without looking SOMEHOW at the protocol -- if an application is FTP or HTTP, P2P file-sharing or not? -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL ... Do something! ... | |
|  |  | | Re: Why this PR was Inadequate Disclosure You and your pesky demand for details. | |
|  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Re: Why this PR was Inadequate Disclosure If you're going to hang me, can I know who made the rope? | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Why this PR was Inadequate Disclosure I suppose next you'll demand to know WHY you were hanged. I mean really. The nerve. | |
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 major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA | Cocks: 2nd only to Comcrap in doubleplus ungood thinking Ah yet another PR move by Cocks spokesdittoheads talking outta both sides of their pie holes.... Well er no, we're NOT looking at specific protocols, but um, yes, we are! | |
|  |  needforspeed59Cruise Ship Just Passing Through join:2001-05-02 Glendale, AZ | Re: Cocks: 2nd only to Comcrap in doubleplus ungood thinking Nice pun. What are you, 7 years old?  -- Great success! High five! | |
|  |  |  major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA | Re: Cocks: 2nd only to Comcrap in doubleplus ungood thinking 8. | |
|  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | You don't like "Spokesdittoheads"? | |
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 gtoken join:2003-12-28 Fort Smith, AR | DOCSIS 3.0 So is COX using DOCSIS 3.0 in Arkansas now? Will I need to get a new modem to use DOCSIS 3.0? | |
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1 edit | Re: DOCSIS 3.0 said by gtoken:So is COX using DOCSIS 3.0 in Arkansas now? Will I need to get a new modem to use DOCSIS 3.0? For channel bonding you need a modem with multiple tuners, so yes for the full DOCSIS 3.0 connection you need a new modem.
The article stated, however, that the management system was live in Arkansas, not DOCSIS 3.0. | |
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·AT&T DSL Service
| Neat, now they can sell people services they don't have Great! Now they can oversubscribe and sell people a lot of high speed tiers, without actually having to upgrade or support the infrastructure costs to providing said services--- because they can just "Traffic Manage" the "Congestion."
Cya Cox, I'm outta here. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Checkbook congestion management Guess we'll have to implement some of our own. games and HTTP reqs use little bandwidth just another way of avoiding putting any money in upgrades. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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