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Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus
(old news - 12:49PM Wednesday May 25 2005)
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Cox service in Northern Virginia was at one time quite possibly the worst service area in the nation, with slow speeds, poor service, and users facing quadruple digit ping times. Three years later finds the region offering 15Mbps, the fastest cable broadband speeds in the country.

A skirmish between Cox and Fairfax county started in 1999, when the cable company purchased the network of Media General. Cox was slow to update the newly acquired networks - which - if you take a trip back to our forums in 2001, offered a connection quality easily bested by a 300baud modem hooked to a Wildcat! BBS.

Fairfax County took action against the provider for delays, and hit them with a $2 million fine. They then began fining them $2,000 each day they failed to meet upgrade obligations. By 2003, the half-a-billion dollar upgrade of the old Media General network began to take shape.

Users were bumped to 3Mbps by mid 2003, and 4Mbps in mid 2004. We also must note that their presence and support in our forums has been - like SBC and a few other providers - exemplary.

That brings us to yesterday, when we learned that standard customers would have their speeds bumped to 5Mbps, and "Premier" customers would be bumped to 15Mbps downstream and 2Mbps upstream ($55 bundled). That makes Cox - at least in one area - the fastest cable provider in the country.

That's still more expensive than Verizon's Fios, but it is the first major shot in the next generation network battle, and is a moment of considerable note.

Northern Virginia Cox Director of Public Affairs Alex Horwitz tells us the speed upgrades will also be available in Fredericksburg, Spotsylvania and Stafford. Horwitz noted he was not aware of any other areas (see Cox service map) that would be seeing the upgrade.

Northern Virginia is a case-study for how competition (and complaints) brings progress. But what about Cox's other, traditionally neglected markets?

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oliphant
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Still capped?

Future competition for FIOS will be welcome but will Cox like Comcrap continue it's anti-consumer policies of low monthly caps with this new service?
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Re: Still capped?

said by oliphant See Profile:

Future competition for FIOS will be welcome but will Cox like Comcrap continue it's anti-consumer policies of low monthly caps with this new service?
There is no reason to believe otherwise... Its just the way that Cox operates.
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internetlol2

join:2005-01-04
Fairfax, VA

Re: Still capped?

I live in Fairfax City and I've had Cox for 2 1/2 years and I've never gotten a notice I was over my quota. According to my bandwidth meter (and so not even counting whatever my roommate does), I average about 100 gigs down and 40 up per month, and sometimes a lot more if I download a lot of DVD-R's.

Derch
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Tulsa, OK
That actually is a good point. Maybe some of our BBR researches could find that out for us. Maybe Verizon FIOS looks a lot better because of this.

pnh102
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Re: Still capped?

said by Derch See Profile:

Maybe Verizon FIOS looks a lot better because of this.
How do you know FIOS isn't capped either?
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bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: Still capped?

Have you seen anyone talk about hitting their cap? Do you see anything suggesting there is?

Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02

Re: Still capped?

Why would Verizon cap their service now when they're trying to generate good PR?
Gunslinger03

join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA
We are not capped in their Hampton Roads (southeastern Virginia) market to my knowledge. Well, not yet anyway.

SubTexel
Keyboard Commando

join:2003-11-20
Hampton, VA

Re: Still capped?

On What service? FIOS? It isnt even turned on yet in Hampton...

As for Cox, yes.. they do cap us..
Gunslinger03

join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA

Re: Still capped?

Cox HSI is not capped down here on the Southside. Got any proof you can post that shows you are up on the Peninsula?

LeftOfSanity

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Ok....I'll say it again. I have had Comcast for over a year. I have beed downloading hundreds of gigs a month. And I have never recieved "the letter" so I don't know if thats true anymore. Or maybe just my area?
fiberguy
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Can ANYONE here ever post a comment without name calling?

Seriously, if you don't like Comcast, say so.. don't need to call them Comcrap) if you don't like Verizon, say so... but name calling only reflects on you personally and gives the opinions in these forums less validity.

It's because of posts like these that gives this place a bad name. If this is supposed to be a place to look to for information, posts like these are only counter productive to the purpose of this website. When I ask others if they have heard of this site, it's obvious they have with the sour response they give. For example, their response when asked about this site is usually no different when people here give their opinions on Comcast, Cox, SBC, etc.

Thisnk about it.

Combat Chuck
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Re: Still capped?

I used to tell people to come here for help; I no longer do. The site has become primarily about whining about any company that makes over some unstated monetary amount (oh goodness an unstated cap), or whining about the government not stepping in to make sure every hermit that lives in a cave at the ass end of nowhere has 100Mbps Fiber connections.

I could point out that coincidentally this all started back when the socialists disguised as democrats had their asses handed to them back in 2000; and that this is just an indication of the liberal mentality of "our way or we'll cry like babies because we don't know how to cope or come up with new ideas", but that would be inappropriate.
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oliphant
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Re: Still capped?

said by Combat Chuck See Profile:

I used to tell people to come here for help; I no longer do. The site has become primarily about whining about any company that makes over some unstated monetary amount (oh goodness an unstated cap), or whining about the government not stepping in to make sure every hermit that lives in a cave at the ass end of nowhere has 100Mbps Fiber connections.
Nice thread crap. Yeah, I guess not having 500ms latency or receiving speeds somewhere more than 1/8 of those advertised is too much to expect and to question it is immediately whining. So be it. But I would point out that this all started when Comcast's service went downhill. I certainly didn't have problems when ATTBi ran things. Coincidentally that's when the 20% video hikes came about, 30% penalties for not wanting CATV service, sudden limits on usenet, magic caps...this has nothing to do with whining leftists, everything to do with Comcraps' increasing anti-consumer policies. I don't give a crap how much Comcrap makes so long as they deliver the service I'm paying for.

As much as you and Comcrap fanboy there whine about people dissing their provider, I would guess even more are disappointed by thread crappers turning nearly every thread into a dumbass political rant.
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Karl Bode
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Re: Still capped?

I'm sorry, complaining about ISP service at a website dedicated to complaining about ISP service? Simply not allowed.

oliphant
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Oh boo hoo...when Comcrap get's their Cast together so I'm not suffering from 80% slowdowns, 500ms latency, monthly caps, 30% how dare I not have CATV penalties then they would have an easier time here. In the meantime they are exactly that...crap.
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fiberguy
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Re: Still capped?

My point has been taken... and question answered.

NO... people here can't post with out name calling.

oliphant, why don't you do the right thing for yourself and your health and get rid of Comcast since they are obviously not delivering to you what you pay for. Just got done readon all your posts and it sSounds like you have some personal issues to take care of. But I am sure you will have some sort of bitch or compliaint about how bad your HMO sticks it to you as well. May I suggest Canada or possibly a good socialist country where the givernment gives hands you a life?

Combat chuck said it right on!

oliphant
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Re: Still capped?

Spoken like a true employee-shill of Comcrap. Sorry, not all of us are such fanboys that we give Comcrap a pass every time they deliver substandard service. Fact remains if there weren't so many customers receiving substandard service there would be no undesirable nics for them like Comcrap.

Comcrap deserves every bit of name calling they receive...and if you are so offended by that...well that's too bad, take it up with a moderator.
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cooperaaaron

join:2004-04-10
Joliet, IL

The people in those other areas....

need to get on the horn to whomever can "put a foot up Cox's rear" so they can get the same level of service..Nuff said..
bmn
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Good idea, but...

It looks like Cox is going to have to switch a bunch of modems... A lot of their older DOCSIS modems (ie - the one I got when I had them two years ago) came with only 10Mbps ethernet ports...
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Bill
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Re: Good idea, but...

And many customers are going to have to buy new routers, assuming Cox doesn't give them one.

As seen after FIOS was installed, most of the cheap home office routers on the market weren't able to handle the 15Mbps speeds.
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pnh102
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Re: Good idea, but...

said by Bill See Profile:

And many customers are going to have to buy new routers, assuming Cox doesn't give them one.
So they have to buy one. What's the big deal? My old BNC hubs don't work with the RJ-45 connectors on my cable modem but I am not expecting Comcast to give me new equipment just for that reason.
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Bill
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Re: Good idea, but...

It wouldn't bother me to have to buy new hardware, if I was given 15Mbps speeds, but some people will complain; I can hear them already.
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cdru
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said by Bill See Profile:

As seen after FIOS was installed, most of the cheap home office routers on the market weren't able to handle the 15Mbps speeds.
In most cases, I beleive the problems either were that the WAN port on the router was 10mbit, or the processor in the router wasn't designed to handle PPPoE encapsulation at 15mbits. A 15mbit connection without the extra PPPoE doesn't take a considerable amount of horsepower to route/NAT it.

DaSneaky1D
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said by Bill See Profile:

As seen after FIOS was installed, most of the cheap home office routers on the market weren't able to handle the 15Mbps speeds.
Most couldn't handle the speed because of PPPoE authentication (as far as I've read). Since Cox uses straight DHCP, there shouldn't be a problem as long as the router has a 100baseT WAN interface.
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Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA

said by Bill See Profile:

And many customers are going to have to buy new routers, assuming Cox doesn't give them one.
A new router doesn't cost much. A $20 wired router should be enough and you can keep your wireless router as AP.
kaila

join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs:

Hope their upgrade investment can handle it....

It's safe to say this tier will be popular and this really pushes the DOCSIS 2.0 spec. Although if they can lock their users to basically browsing and establish limits to prevent users from heavy downloading, its got a chance.

And yes, some user-end hardware changes will be needed. Comcast found several modems from different makers that couldn't make it to 6Mbps.
Gunslinger03

join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA

Re: Hope their upgrade investment can handle it....

DOCSIS 2.0 only offers upstream enhancements, but I believe the current downstream maximum is almost 38Mb/sec. On the upstream side they can add return channels, increase modulation, split nodes, or a combination of the three so I don't see that being much of an issue.
dthatcher

join:2005-01-11
San Diego, CA

Re: Hope their upgrade investment can handle it...

Well, if FIOS is going to be all it promises, Cox needs to push for a DOCSIS 3.0... or start planning now for whatever the next generation of cable technology will be, so when they've maxed out what they can provide with DOCSIS 2.0, they can continue to move forward.

As far as modems, Cox lists compatible modems on their website, but they should also be proactive in notifying users when their modems will no longer handle the speeds being delivered.

exocet_cm
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Cox Service Map

I can't get anything to come up, can somebody post a screen shot?

state
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Re: Cox Service Map

Here ya go.

Tsume

join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN

Maybe...

I wonder if they wait until other areas are the worse until they upgrade them.
dthatcher

join:2005-01-11
San Diego, CA

What I get

San Diego, CA (92114) Cox HSI, 4/512, no other Cox services, no modem rental, $49.95/mo

Alright everyone start drooling

itguy35

@204.184.x.x

Re: What I get

Here in MO I've got 5mb/512k now. Granted its a business connection but my account manager in St. Louis told me I could go with up to (2) 5mb/1mb modems at my house trunked for a 10mb/2mb connection. Standard residential service here is 3/256k. Thanks to Charter for at least lining up to get on the bandwidth train...and providing outstanding service options for their business customers.

illJazz
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switzerland

Impressive!

It's rather impressive how this service by Cox went from "so damn bad" to "first in the nation!". I applaud them for the incredible change. I also welcome competition. Only benefits us consumers

Get the competition cooking, so I get faster internet for an acceptable price
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jsimmons
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Falls Church, VA

Re: Impressive!

I was a Media General subscriber when Cox took over... By 2000 I was so mad at Cox for high prices, poor quality service, outages, etc. I canned them and put in Satellite TV.

Not even knowing the speed increase was coming, I decided to light the cable back up two weeks ago for internet access only. And that was based on the improvements they've made the last 2 years. The $39.95 price offer didn't hurt either for 4M/512K... That made my poor DSL line look paltry in comparison.

Now with 5M/2M upgrade for me in the near future, my decision looks all the better. Who knows... maybe I'll dump the Satellite system and go back to cable in the next year. We'll see.

Mean time, Verizon is installing FIOS in the area, but no clue when my neighborhood might get that.

So competition is alive and well here.
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illJazz
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switzerland
Sorry, what's FIOS?

Looks to me like in the end, you did make the right choices

DataRiker
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Metairie, LA
clubs:

Cox Turn Around

same type of story here. 5 years ago cox was the worst thing, now the service has improved as well as pretty much total domination of the broadband market. 4 / 512 with a student discount at 28.95 a month, it rocks. I was only able to recieve 1.2 / 240 on dsl for 2 times the price with horrible service. As far as caps go I use bit torrent everyday for the past year and have never had any problems.
Im at about 60 + gigs a month.
Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA

Re: Cox Turn Around

My ping time went from 1000+ to below 20ms in couple years. Cox has made great progress in its network. My ping to major web sites stays around 20ms nation wide. That's pretty impressive. FIOS may offer great speed at your node. However, I already see people posting average ping time of FIOS at around 100ms. That's not a good sign.

nwillitts

join:2001-08-29
Alexandria, VA

not sure but...

i was just downloading a rather big file from a news server
and i was constant at 3300kb-WOW.
i wonder if speeds are now upping?
i have never seen anything this fast.
i have a SOHO account w/digital phone.
i have the fasttest they offer.
any others see anything?

HappyBunny
Hi. Cram It.
Premium
join:2001-06-23
Long Beach, CA

And Charter plods on at 1.5

Yes, Charter is a leader in the industry--lately I am not even get the 3 MB down I am paying for. Wish some other company would buy them, sigh.

NerdOne
A Girl Geek

join:2005-02-10
Topeka, KS

Is my area going to be upgraded soon too?

I don't want to pay $54.95 per month for 5Mbps down and 768Kbps up when somebody else in Virginia getting to have and experience 15Mbps download and 2Mbps up from Cox. Come on, Cox, please throw the rest of us a bone for pete's sakes, upgrade our bandwidth speeds and not just NoVA Cox HSI service. Then Cox will be the fastest cable ISP in the U.S., even passing OOL since Cox's premier tier will be capped at 15/2 in comparsion to OOL's 10/1. Why not go ahead and upgrade all your wired, servicable areas, Cox? It
doesn't make very much sense to upgrade one service area because of FIOS, and neglect the rest of your areas because
Verizon is going to upgrade your service areas with FIOS. What about the rest of us, Cox? I'm not speaking for every Cox HSI user, but I'm speaking for myself instead and my needs, I can use faster speeds and 15Mbps down and 2Mbps up fits my needs just fine. It would be exactly like my school's fiber Internet connection but it's at home and for
$54.95 per month. Does anyone know when my town going to get upgraded to 15/2 and 5/2? Or I just have to sit and wait?
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