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Cox Offering SDV TiVO Adapters In Arizona
Adapters are free, follow FCC fines in some markets...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 25-Feb-2009 tags: business · cable · Cox HSI
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A growing number of cable operators are deploying switched digital video (SDV) technology, which frees up bandwidth on cable systems by delivering fewer channels to the cable-box, keeping the rest waiting at the edge router. In current cable systems, all channels are consistently made available to the set-top box, using up valuable bandwidth even if your TV is off. Unfortunately, the new two-way SDV technology prohibits one way CableCARDs from working, so TivO and the cable industry have been working on a new adapter since last year.

A Cox Communications rep has stopped by our forums to note that they're now offering TiVO turning adapters in their Arizona market (they're already available in Cox's Fairfax County, VA and Fredericksburg, VA markets). "Tuning Adapters are now available and are being offered to Cox Arizona Digital Cable customers with a CableCARD in a TiVo Series 3, TiVo HD and TiVo HD XL digital video recorders at no charge," says a Cox technician.

Both Time Warner Cable and Cox were fined by the FCC by making the switch to SDV in a number of markets before a solution for TiVO customers was made available.

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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Fine

And i'm sure the fine is being appealed.

but if the FCC was smart when it issued the fines they'd take the money and actually set it aside to build out a nationwide broadband network.
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Re: Fine

Socialism+ broadband= instaphail dude. But what we have no ain't that much better depending on who you ask.

Thrudd

join:2004-06-21
Mississauga, ON

Re: Fine

Actually its Monopoly * Deregulation = You lose

The Socialism of a base service means that the comercial guys - you know, the ones with your best interest at heart (falls over laughing) can all work at that bare minimum and not wory about anyone complaining. Problem for them is anyone offering something more for the same end user cost. This is what has them all running scared.
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Re: Fine

I know it needs regulation, but I do not want the government to own the only IPp in America.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2

Re: Fine

Actually, regulation is what got us into this mess. Government subsidized network buildouts of telephone wires, and cable companies generally get exclusive franchises in most cities. Both of these are regulatory moves.
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Re: Fine

I never said what we had was good, or the right kind, just that we need something.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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exclusive contracts with cable companies were really the only way to get anything when cable first came out. It was ruled many years ago (back in the 90s) that exclusive contracts were illegal giving anyone the option to move it. The thing is it's not feasible for any company really to do that. Build out a brand new network there, and employ a full office and everything else. That costs more than what it is worth really.

baineschile
2600 ways to live
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI

Since when....

Do cable companies have to cater to TiVo? What about my samsung DVR?
WeKnSmith

join:2001-08-09
Noblesville, IN

Re: Since when....

said by baineschile:

Do cable companies have to cater to TiVo? What about my samsung DVR?
Actually these tuning adapters, for example the Motorola MTR700, were developed to allow cablecards to continue to work after cable companies deployed switched digital video. The FCC mandated that cable companies deploy and provide support for cablecards. It just happens that TiVo was one of the first companies to build support for tuning adapters into their devices that support cablecards.

So I would suggest complaining to Samsung to find out when they are going to add support for tuning adapters to your Samsung DVR (assuming that the Samsung DVR currently supports cablecards.)

otty

join:2008-10-24
Revelstoke, BC

Re: Since when....

SPELLING:

"to note that they're now offering TiVO turning adapters in their Arizona market"

"tuning" not "turning"

Cheers.
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ajwees41
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join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE

cable cards are all 2way

All cable cards are 2way it's the tivo hardware that isn't Karl.

skuv

@rr.com

Re: cable cards are all 2way

No, CableCards are neither 1way or 2way, they are just decryption devices.

Technically, you could say it is just 1way, because all it does is receive the activation information and decrypt channels. There is no reason for the CableCard to report back information to the headend.

The tuning adapters and cable boxes that use CableCards are the devices that are 2-way in the scenario.

CableCARDs2way

@charter.com

Re: cable cards are all 2way

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said by skuv :

No, CableCards are neither 1way or 2way, they are just decryption devices.
You should read this page:
»www.opencable.com/primer/cableca···mer.html

said by CableLabs primer on CableCARDs :
The CableCARD module includes the knowledge of the upstream transmission standards and protocols used by each cable operator and is able to format and prepare messages for that protocol. Those upstream messages are sent to the Host device for transmission (when so equipped). The upstream transmitter also is under the complete control of the CableCARD module to set frequency and output power. CableCARD modules are equipped to recognize the presence of these upstream transmitters in an OpenCable Host device and to use them as necessary.

verolom

join:2002-03-23
Reston, VA

Re: cable cards are all 2way

You may be confusing SCards with MCards. Be as it may, it's not the card, it's the host device (Tivo in this case) that is one-way and does not have an SDV client. So interestingly enough the burden falls on the cable co. once again to provide the customer with the right equipment.

skuv

@rr.com
I should read an excerpt that clearly says the host device is responsible for the transmission and not the CableCard?

Thanks for backing me up.

ReadAGAIN

@rr.com

Re: cable cards are all 2way

said by skuv :

I should read an excerpt that clearly says the host device is responsible for the transmission and not the CableCard?
Did you read the part where the CableCARD is responsible for the creation and formating of the message sent to the transmitter? Guess you missed that.

The CableCARD does much more than decryption and without it installed in CC boxes, 2-way isn't possible. Luckily all the cards have this capability. There aren't 1-way CableCARDs, just 1-way equipment to install them in.

nukscull

@rr.com

Time Warner in the Carolinas...

has been sending these out to select customers that own TiVo's for a couple of weeks now.
sdnative1

join:2009-02-25

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CLUELESS Cox Tech Support Suddenly Has a Clue?

It was just last month, I was considering a Tivo HD. I called Cox to request a SDV Tuning Resolver here in San Diego so that when my Tivo arrived, I would be good to go. I GOT TRANSFERRED 3 TIMES! All had no idea what I was talking about or what the device is!!! No apparent idea what SDV channels are! Has Cox suddenly enlightened its staff as to what a Tuning Resolver is after the 8 months the device has been out? Or is it a conspiracy by Cox to keep customers renting a Cox box to get more money? If so, it will backfire and you will lose customers already upset with the flawed Scientific Atlanta box because they feel there are no alternatives (other than trying AT&T, Verizon, or DirecTV).

It will be a dream-come-true when tru2way cable boxes/DVRs are on store shelves thanks to the forward-thinking FCC thinking of what's in the consumer's best interest. It will be even more exciting than when cable modems became available from various manufacturers on store shelves and you weren't forced to rent the cable company's modem (thanks to the FCC here again).

I recently learned that home phones were the same way decades ago. You paid a rental fee to use the proprietary phone company's phone! They were not available to buy off store shelves until late 70's/early 80's.

otty

join:2008-10-24
Revelstoke, BC

Re: CLUELESS Cox Tech Support Suddenly Has a Clue?

Those old phones are rock solid. I still have an old Bell phone that will likely outlive me.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
said by sdnative1:

It will be a dream-come-true when tru2way cable boxes/DVRs are on store shelves thanks to the forward-thinking FCC thinking of what's in the consumer's best interest. It will be even more exciting than when cable modems became available from various manufacturers on store shelves and you weren't forced to rent the cable company's modem (thanks to the FCC here again).
You mean the FCC that is finally implementing a law that is over a decade old.

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