Cox TiVO Users To Get Access To Cox VOD Though those TiVO-embedded Cox DVRs still a no show Back in 2008, Cox announced they'd be offering cable TV subscribers TiVo-based Cox DVRs, though like a similar announcement by Comcast -- the offering never quite fully materialized. Meanwhile, the cable industry has found itself at odds with TiVO over their use of switched digital video, which saves bandwidth across the cable network by storing unwatched channels at the edge router, but requires that users add an external adapter to their box. On the plus side, Cox has announced that TiVo Premiere DVR users will now be able to access Cox VOD with their units, something previously not possible: the two companies will offer TiVo Premiere with integrated Cox On DEMAND service to Cox subscribers. This represents the first time that a cable operator will make its entire video on demand (VOD) library available via a retail DVR and TiVo Premiere will become the first retail product to fully integrate a cable VOD service, along with linear television and broadband content accessible through TiVo's user interface and intuitive search capabilities. Access won't be enabled until "early 2011" according to Cox, which made no mention of that 2008 announcement to offer TiVO-driven Cox DVRs directly to consumers.
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join:2009-11-23 | Re: Good news! Too bad Cox's VOD offerings are teh suk for the most part. | |
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join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Re: Good news! said by Z80A:Too bad Cox's VOD offerings are teh suk for the most part. I have a hard time believing that their VOD offerings have gotten worse since I had one of their boxes some years back.
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
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1 edit | RCN? FCC? Didn't Tivo have a similar agreement with RCN?
If the FCC wants to fix CableCARD, all they have to do is force Cable companies to allow third party devices to access VOD. This proves that it can be done, so just let the device makers figure out the logistics and force the cable co's to play ball- problem solved! | |
| |  BryanInPHXPremium
join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1
·Cox HSI
1 edit | Re: RCN? FCC? said by Cogdis:Didn't Tivo have a similar agreement with RCN? If the FCC wants to fix CableCARD, all they have to do is force Cable companies to allow third party devices to access VOD. This proves that it can be done, so just let the device makers figure out the logistics and force the cable co's to play ball- problem solved! And provide SDV tuning on the IP Backchannel also, That was the TiVo proposal. »fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/v···15658402
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| | | | said by Cogdis:Didn't Tivo have a similar agreement with RCN? If the FCC wants to fix CableCARD, all they have to do is force Cable companies to allow third party devices to access VOD. This proves that it can be done, so just let the device makers figure out the logistics and force the cable co's to play ball- problem solved! and don't let pull BS like you must buy our HSI to use it. Like what RCN does with the tivo box rent at $20/m + must buy RCN HSI. | |
| | | | said by Cogdis:Didn't Tivo have a similar agreement with RCN? If the FCC wants to fix CableCARD, all they have to do is force Cable companies to allow third party devices to access VOD. This proves that it can be done, so just let the device makers figure out the logistics and force the cable co's to play ball- problem solved! You should read some of the cable industry's comments on this. In summary they don't want their offerings on the same box as netflix and other services. I am in fact quite surprised the Cox would do this. It's a good start though.
Give me a media center plugin!!! | |
| | | | said by Cogdis:...If the FCC wants to fix CableCARD, all they have to do is force Cable companies to allow third party devices to access VOD. This proves that it can be done, so just let the device makers figure out the logistics and force the cable co's to play ball- problem solved! Not really. The FCC has not been very good about forcing cable companies to do things. Too much lobbying power. This seems to be the case even after the change of the party in power, because I think the cable industry is smart (and rich) enough to just buy 'em all! | |
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BryanInPHXPremium
join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Cox HSI
| IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" I just hope this IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" will also be available to other retail products such as the 3-Tuner Moxi and Ceton InfiniTV 4 tuner. So the current Cisco STA1520 SDV Tuning Adapter and it's 2 tuner limitation will no longer be an issue.
More Reading:
Cox, TiVo Strike a DVR Deal >> »www.lightreading.com/document.as···r_cable&
"TiVo's Premiere boxes don't use tru2way to enable interactive cable services such as VoD. Instead, TiVo uses an IP backchannel to set up the video sessions between the box and an MSO's on-demand platform and to supply metadata to the TiVo guide/search apps... That also extends to special tuning adapters that Premiere boxes will need in order to view channels Cox delivers using switched digital video (SDV). For now, that requirement is limited to Cox systems serving Northern Virginia, Los Angeles, Phoenix, and a few other markets."
I am assuming "special tuning adapters" do not mean the current Cisco STA1520 SDV Tuning Adapter, since Cox seemed to single out Cisco markets. Although Los Angeles proper is not a Cox market.
If Cox is opening an IP backchannel for the TiVo to receive Cox On-Demand, Hopefully this will mean other retail CE products will eventually be able to use the IP backchannel for at the very least SDV for the Moxi HD DVR and the Ceton InfiniTV 4 tuner combined with Windows 7.
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| | | | Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" If there is an IP Backchannel, would a special tuning adapter even be needed? Why can't channel change requests go up and out the IP connection, just as the VOD session setup and trick play controls do? | |
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join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" said by cypherstream:If there is an IP Backchannel, would a special tuning adapter even be needed? Why can't channel change requests go up and out the IP connection, just as the VOD session setup and trick play controls do? I don't think Cable Cos are willing to actually let a retail device communicate directly with their headends. Instead the Cox "Special Tuning Adapter" was a happy medium to TiVo. That is why the FCC needs to mandate direct IP communication for VOD and SDV, if real retail CE products are to be viable.
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1 edit | Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" If they can prove that it could be implemented securely, then why not?
Does a bank care if you access your account online from an HP, Dell, Apple, IBM, or home built PC? It's all secured by access credentials and HTTPS / SSL protocol.
I trust HTTPS / SSL for my banking and online purchases. It's tried and true. Cable companies just need to develop an IP Gateway server to take the requests, convert them and forward them onto the appropriate place.
Seachange has an IP Gateway server that they are installing in the Headend or hub for this. It's taking secure channel communication, verifying where it came from and forwarding VOD commands to the VOD cluster. Seems to me if they can trust that, they should trust SDV as well. SDV is much like VOD, except anyone can tune into the setup session, and the session is not torn down unless no one is tuned to it for a predetermined amount of time. | |
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join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" I completely agree with you, But in reading all the comments to the FCC regarding these issues by the Cable Cos. They do not agree and state Tuning Adapters work just fine and an IP backchannel would be to cost prohibitive. (As if handing out free TAs for the long haul is less expensive)
Good reading at the FCC:
Proceeding Number: 10-91 - 70 filings since Notice on 04/21/10 -08/11/10 >> »fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceedin···me=10-91
Proceeding Number: 00-67 - 118 filings since Notice on 04/21/10 -08/11/10 >> »fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceedin···me=00-67
Proceeding Number: 97-80 - 203 filings since Notice on 04/21/10 -08/11/10 >> »fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceedin···me=97-80
You can Submit Comments Directly to the FCC in Word or PDF here: >> »fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/be···edFrom=E
Reference Proceeding Numbers: 97-80, 00-67 & 10-91, you can put all 3 proceedings in the same submittal.
You can Submit Comments Directly to the FCC as Text at the Express Filing here: >> »fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/be···edFrom=X
Reference Proceeding Numbers: 97-80, 00-67 & 10-91, you will need to submit 3 separate Express Filings.
BEFORE
THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554
In the Matter of
Proceeding 00-67: In the Matter of Compatibility Between Cable Systems and Consumer Electronics Equipment
Proceeding 10-91: In the Matter of Video Device Competition Implementation of section 304 of Telecommunications Act of 1996 Commercial Availability of Navigation Devices Compatibility between Cable system and consumer electronics equipment.
Proceeding 97-80: Implementation of Section 304 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 Commercial Availability of Navigation
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| | | | | | | | Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" said by BryanInPHX:I completely agree with you, But in reading all the comments to the FCC regarding these issues by the Cable Cos. They do not agree and state Tuning Adapters work just fine and an IP backchannel would be to cost prohibitive. (As if handing out free TAs for the long haul is less expensive) who to say the TA will be free? what stoping them form being $2-$5+ to rent + rent for the cable card? | |
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join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" said by castsucks :said by BryanInPHX:I completely agree with you, But in reading all the comments to the FCC regarding these issues by the Cable Cos. They do not agree and state Tuning Adapters work just fine and an IP backchannel would be to cost prohibitive. (As if handing out free TAs for the long haul is less expensive) who to say the TA will be free? what stoping them form being $2-$5+ to rent + rent for the cable card? Currently TAs are free to lease. I am not aware of any Cable Co charging for the TA itself. And I don't see that changing. It is the Cable Cos way to say they support retail devices on SDV.
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| Re: IP Backchannel and "Special Tuning Adapter" May be free to lease, but still, an extra connection with the potential to fail. An extra power outlet sucked up, and another box taking up space, sucking electricity and producing heat in the process.
More stuff to purchase and stock in the warehouse, and it's just extra junk IMO.
If software could do it, I see it as a win-win.
Oh well, I guess I can't armchair manage a multi-billion dollar cable network. They have their obscure and mundane reasons. | |
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| | | | | | said by cypherstream:If they can prove that it could be implemented securely, then why not? Does a bank care if you access your account online from an HP, Dell, Apple, IBM, or home built PC? It's all secured by access credentials and HTTPS / SSL protocol. I trust HTTPS / SSL for my banking and online purchases. It's tried and true. Cable companies just need to develop an IP Gateway server to take the requests, convert them and forward them onto the appropriate place. Seachange has an IP Gateway server that they are installing in the Headend or hub for this. It's taking secure channel communication, verifying where it came from and forwarding VOD commands to the VOD cluster. Seems to me if they can trust that, they should trust SDV as well. SDV is much like VOD, except anyone can tune into the setup session, and the session is not torn down unless no one is tuned to it for a predetermined amount of time. I like your analogy of online banking, which uses SOFTWARE to implement secure access to their systems. I don't think I would mind additional SOFTWARE (only) to securely access cable content, as long as that software doesn't impair the UI in any way or force cable providers' ugly menus on you.
I would, however, be opposed to another cable box, which requires a power plug and probably a coax splitter or passthrough and a USB connection like the current tuning adapters do. | |
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join:2002-09-16
Tulsa, OK | Cox and Tivo I've been thinking about getting a Tivo Premiere. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any good video reviews of Cox users with Tivo. Anyone use it with Cox? What kind of M-Card does Cox use? How do you like it? Did they enable the 2nd core on the CPU yet? | |
| | | | Re: Cox and Tivo said by Mike00:I've been thinking about getting a Tivo Premiere. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any good video reviews of Cox users with Tivo. Anyone use it with Cox? What kind of M-Card does Cox use? How do you like it? Did they enable the 2nd core on the CPU yet? I use TiVo Premiere box with Cox and love it and card is from Scientific Atlanta | |
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join:2002-09-16
Tulsa, OK
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| | | | | | Re: Cox and Tivo said by Mike00:Is it this one? well the label is not blue like that its a green color if helps the model number is PKM800 | |
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join:2002-09-16
Tulsa, OK | htpc I think I'll just buy a Ceton InfiniTV 4 for the HTPC I just built recently. Why pay monthly rental fees if you don't have to? | |
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