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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Wow, this sounds great! you'd only need 200 users paying $50 to pay this thing off. In the suburban/rural fringe I think this is very doable!
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join:2000-04-25
Worcester, MA
clubs:  | Re: Wow, this sounds great! How fast is a T1 Line? Isn't it only 1.5Mbit?
Put only a handful of people on that at one time and you'll be cruising along at dial-up speeds. Am I wrong in thinking that, I'm not exactly a networking guru.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Re: Wow, this sounds great! You won't get everyone online at once, and you'll rarely get lots of folks downloading at once. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | That's 1.5 Mbps symmetrical, and uncompressed. | |
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58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | 200 users sharing a three megabit link is certain disaster.
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join:2003-04-21
STL, MO
| Re: Wow, this sounds great! My company currently has 900 users on a 10Mb sym. connection. We had those same 900 users on 3 T1s and access was completely acceptable. Typical usage was only around 3mbps down and about 1mbps up. The thing to remember is that most users just want to surf the web and get important things done. Unless you have a few bandwidth hogs on that system, 3mbps sym. for even 200 users would be acceptable by MOST people's standards. This is especially true when dial-up is the only other option. | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
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| Re: Wow, this sounds great! I'll guess that your company isn't keen on people running P2P or pulling video streams while at work, so of course that degree of overselling would not be a particular burden.
You can't assume that in a consumer market.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Wow, this sounds great! I had 75 users + corporate email and web hosting on 6Mbps/608 for a while, and it was more than enough. I'm sure they could 'filter' down connections to give everyone 150kbps (3Mbps/200) if it came down to it. This isn't much different than Cable dishing out 8Mbps connections to multiple neighborhoods.
This is broadband in the forest, not in an urban market. | |
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simlesa
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join:2006-04-14
Astoria, NY
| Re: Wow, this sounds great! said by en102  :I'm sure they could 'filter' down connections to give everyone 150kbps (3Mbps/200) if it came down to it. Don't you mean 15 kbps?
(3Mbps=3000kbps, 3000/200=15kbps) | |
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join:2003-04-21
STL, MO
| Just because you, me, and most of the posters here use P2P a lot to share data and run video streams doesn't mean that everyone does. I will state again that for MOST users, this kind of bandwidth would be ample. I can name ten households I personally know that don't do either of these two things. All these people are intersted in is surfing the internet without the wait of dial-up, which this would be great for. | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: Wow, this sounds great! Two-bonded T1's can be had for much less. | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: Wow, this sounds great! not in the middle of BUfu egypt they cant.
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join:2005-02-17
Belleville, MI | Wisp I've long dreamed of starting a wisp up north for those with no DSL or cable access. Starting capital is the only thing getting in the way I suppose :/ | |
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Iridium
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Wisp said by tiger72 :said by jjsk8r85 :I've long dreamed of starting a wisp up north for those with no DSL or cable access. Starting capital is the only thing getting in the way I suppose :/ Go to a bank, have a good business plan, and get a $20,000 loan. There ya go. As long as you can prove that your chances for return are high (as they would be in any town of just a thousand or so people) and that the chance for the big cable or phone companies to provide broadband is low, you should be good. You should also do preliminary research and see if anyone in your 'hood needs or wants the service.
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I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | Heck skip the bank and goto the USDA for grants. Thats how they did it here. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Must Multitask... If it can't bring life to the Frankenstein Monster then I'm not interested!
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
·Verizon Online DSL
| Think here guys Your going to sell a T1 to 200 people? Think logically here DSL and Cable is well over 5mbps to each user. As soon as something else became available customers would flock to another ISP. I worked at a WISP and we ran into the same problem.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| Re: Think here guys i never said anything about using T1s. there are a NUMBER of other technologies that can be deployed besides T1s.
I think its also good to remember that a lot of the COs in these rural locations are centrally located to the areas they serve. So if you locate your tower close to the CO, you could open up more possibilities for the backhaul.
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Think here guys said by inteller :i never said anything about using T1s. there are a NUMBER of other technologies that can be deployed besides T1s. I think its also good to remember that a lot of the COs in these rural locations are centrally located to the areas they serve. So if you locate your tower close to the CO, you could open up more possibilities for the backhaul. I remember where I used to live before, the CO was jut couple of blocks away. if DSL was around back then or I lived there now I could probably be getting 8 down!
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Every school ,townhall and library should have atleast one and lease the hours after 5pm-5am off to rural folks maybe that can help out a bit if they are'nt already doing this | |
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join:2002-09-28
USA
| Re: Every school ,townhall and library 1. Only 1 uplink for the site? No redundancy?
2. Only 1 T1 for all customers?
3. Mail, DNS, HTTP, FTP, all on one server!
4. Server outdoors protected by metal box!
Wow, talk about bootstrapped.
#3,4 IMHO are just unacceptable. Should be separate (mail, DNS should be redundant on multiple boxes) and in a datacenter with backup power and physical security.
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join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL
|  Re: Every school ,townhall and library
This idea is a customer service nightmare....not like i havent seen many of this in my day, but I always notice that some how they dont stick around too long.
Oh yeah they forgot to mention the pricing for CPE per customer. That is always the most often overlooked aspect that causes the greatest pain. | |
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join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
·Comporium
1 edit | They're not trying to compete w/ Comcast, et. al When you look at something like this remember... They're going places where the other providers have forsaken.
You can cry, complain and whine about loading 50-100 people on a single T1. You can fuss about it only being 1.5mbps. But when you have no other options, you'll gladly sign up. Remember, if you're out of range from the CO or not in a neighborhood where the cable company provides cable modem service, you're screwed.
Compared to satellite, this sort of service is a godsend to the people they have as customers. I lived in the Jackson, MS area for 5 years in one of those forsaken areas. No cable modem, no DSL. I paid out the butt for ISDN. The irony was that our apartment complex had FIBER to each complex from Bellsouth. But the ONU's Bellsouth had used in the installation back then could only handle POTS, ISDN or a single T1 per ONU. There was no DSL or ethernet card available for them. So we were stuck with no other choices. And the cable company was Susquehanha (sp?) [aka SusCom] Communications. They only offered 1-way cable modem service and that was iffy. For 3 years they kept announcing that "2-way cable modems are coming soon". But their cable plant was so crappy that it wasn't possible.
Now why they're hosting their email and such at the tower, I have no clue. It would have been much cheaper and more reliable to buy space at a web hosting company somewhere. Oh well.
PS... Remember, most wireless ISPs in Mississippi and other places in the south have a hard time using 2.4ghz equipment due to pine trees (the pine needle absorption/multipath effect). So if you're planning to do this around pine, you'll want 900mhz or 5ghz. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: They're not trying to compete w/ Comcast, et. al The reason its all hosted at the site is because it gives more bandwidth to the customer to retrieve email and reduces look ups for dns.
It's meant to reduce the traffic load on the t1's. Not a bad idea but all the spam being spewed onto the t1 quickly negates this if the spam issue gets large for them.
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join:2004-07-22
Hudson, FL | Proffessional Hmm, they seemed oh so super professional to me. | |
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Why do they talk wierd? I couldn't listen for more than a few seconds. Those guys talked like they have down syndrome or some other kind of mental defect. | |
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We call that the Dennis Miller Ratio
Premium
join:2000-10-26
Milwaukee, WI
| Re: Why do they talk wierd? Yea, first thing I noticed is they seemed like squares. Even some long time EE's I know are some of the more engaging people to listen to that I know. These guys were just boring.
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| Again, not everyone must have that 50Tbps connection. If you are selling to business customers then 100 Users per T1 is more than enough. Businesses are in the business of making money not sharing files. I have a customer on a 15Mb pipe with over 100 remote locations, VoIP, VPN Tunnels, 1500 in house users, and a Data center with 250+ servers. And they don't use 50% of their pipe. It probably has something to do with the fact that they request that their employees work instead of watch videos or share files. Wow what a concept. | |
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| Costs What kind of costs are associated with the T1 lines?
Would there be two separate costs? The actual line and then the internet connection? If I remember correctly Frame Relay is just a way of getting from point A to point B through a shared cloud? | |
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join:2005-09-28
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| Re: Costs I can't speak for every place but T1s from Bell are expensive. They are paying at least $650+ per T1. If they are as rural as they seems to be count on $900+ per T1. There are much cheaper ways to get bandwidth to your towers. I think they stated they had other towers. You come out cheaper putting 3 or 4 T1s in a multi link in one location. Then from that central location feeding your bandwidth out to other towers wirelessly.
I have to commend these guys on taking matters into their own hands and getting broadband out in the middle of no where. They are not really doing it the right way, but they are doing it. | |
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