DOCSIS 3.0: 75 Million By The End Of This Year Comcast paves the way in upgrade deployment... According to a new study by Heavy Reading, North American cable companies should reach 75 million homes by the end of this year, and 90 million by the end of 2012. Those numbers are actually behind another recent survey from Multichannel News, which stated that DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades already reach more than 52 million of the 120 million homes passed by cable networks in the United States alone. That's in large part thanks to Comcast, which should have their entire network upgraded (with a very few rural exceptions) by the end of this year. A coming "surge" in deployments this year is attributable to Time Warner Cable, who should be unveiling a number of additional launch markets within months or weeks.
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 | | northland cable I suspect anytype of DOCSIS improvment will hit Northland in the next lifetime, we are saddled with 2mb as their standard cable internet service. They suck and are far from cheap or at least fair in pricing. We'll see what happens. | |
|  | | | Time Warner is asleep. And Time Warner Cable should be upgraded where I am just before the dinosaurs return. They're working in geologic time. | |
| | | | | Re: Time Warner is asleep. The real question is how many subscribers do they have?
Time Warner in NYC has 2,000 customers for their much hyped 'Wide Band Internet' out of how many homes passed?.
How's Comcast and their $300.00 "Activation Fee" doing?
Potentially reaching millions of customers is meaningless...I Potentially am worth of millions of dollars because of I pass dozens and dozens jewelers in Manhattan everyday... | |
| | | | | | Re: Time Warner is asleep. OE has the $300 activation fee for their Ultra 100/15 tier, not Comcast. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Time Warner is asleep. you mean Cablevision. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Time Warner is asleep. Yeah I don't know what OE is...
Oy | |
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| | FTTH What are the equivalent FTTH deployment numbers with FiOS, etc? | |
| | | | Re: FTTH According to the FTTH Council they had 15,170,900 homes passed by March 2009 and 11,763,000 in March 2008. Growth of 3,407,900. Assuming same growth rate for another year gets you 19,566,115 homes passed by March 2010 and 25,234,683 by March 2011. | |
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| | Houston too? Are we sure about this data? I have a friend who works for Comcast as an L2 installer and he claims that Houston is waaaaaaayyyyy behind on the DOCSIS 3.0 deployment due to the total mess Time Warner left behind when the two companies swapped markets.
Anyone from Comcast care to clarify where Houston fits in this story? | |
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| availabale, but pricy the average residential consumer can't justify an internet bill of more than $100 per month, so these cable companies will be hard pressed to find customers willing to chunk out that much money for docsis 3.0 tiers. trying to say that anything below 50/20 megabits is a docsis 3.0 tier-- is as rediculous as trying to say we will have free energy by the end of this decade (or centrury) for that matter.
least we forget that the fiber guys aren't doing us a favor on pring either... but should competition finally rain down on us... whoah... | |
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kudos:2 | Re: availabale, but pricy said by tmc8080:least we forget that the fiber guys aren't doing us a favor on pring either... but should competition finally rain down on us... whoah... There is competition in many areas. Those areas still see no competition on price. Keep holding your breath.
The fact of the matter is the higher speed tiers are worth more money. You are going to pay one way or the other if you want it. If it's not worth it to you, then you keep your 16/2 tier or whatever you have. If it is worth $100/mo to you then you will buy it. It's that simple. There are plenty who think it is, in fact, worth it.
Not that you necessarily fall into this category, but there were so many on this site who have been screaming for competition and higher speeds for years. Now that it is here, a lot of those same people still find something to bitch about. If it's not the price of the service it is the price of installation. It goes to show that no ISP can please everyone. The bottom line is that the better the product the more money it is worth. That is the way it works for all markets and products. It's humorous how people view cable and internet differently as if they are entitled to something for nothing. | |
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1 edit | said by tmc8080:the average residential consumer can't justify an internet bill of more than $100 per month, so these cable companies will be hard pressed to find customers willing to chunk out that much money for docsis 3.0 tiers. trying to say that anything below 50/20 megabits is a docsis 3.0 tier-- is as rediculous as trying to say we will have free energy by the end of this decade (or centrury) for that matter. least we forget that the fiber guys aren't doing us a favor on pring either... but should competition finally rain down on us... whoah... The top speeds aren't for the "average residential consumer" anyway... it's a HUGE misconception on the part of the "average message board poster" who believes that the top of the line everything (technology wise) should be in an affordable range for everyone.
Those who chose to early adopt will always pay more for services.. that's a fact. At some point, the price of DS3 services will fall dramatically, that is, however, when the even faster speeds come out and replace them.
And, you can have tiers less than 50/20 and them still be on DS3 tiers... do you even have any idea what you're talking about? Tiers are not based necessarily on the technology... you can, if you wanted, provisions a 5/1 tier on a DS3 network, if you wanted to. Likewise, you can have a 10/2 tier on DS2. Just becuase the speeds don't match the POTENTIAL of what DS3 can do doesn't mean they're not DS3 speeds, at least in the context you're trying to define.
The companies, if you haven't noticed, don't want a ton of customers on the highest tiers.. why do you think they're priced the way they are? .. it's becuase they know they can't handle that many customers - yet. So, when it's priced at $100 per month for a top of the line offered tier, they know that only those who really need it will buy it. Personally, I know a few people that do subscribe to the fastest available tier - and personally, I think they're crazy.. no one, yet, needs 100mb internet.
Still, my biggest reply to your post is that you somehow equate that since a network has these fast tiers available that they should be rolled out to everyone at a price that the "average consumer" can afford... you're very much wrong in that way of thinking.
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Not to mention, back in 1999/2000, the average price of HSI internet at about an average of 256k per home WAS priced out at about $80 per month, had a $200 installation fee, a $100 modem fee for purchase, and a 1 or 2 year contract - and the service was selling faster than they could install.
Maybe it's all about priorities in one's life. But, personally, I'd be more than happy paying $100 a month for internet if I had a need for that speed... many others should be fine with their 10/12 or 16 meg tiers for the average $42 monthly price. A FAR better deal that a $20 per month dial up account which usually came along side of a second phone line for $25 a month (for one computer at a time, I might add). I find internet at $45 a month a HUGE bargain! | |
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| Re: availabale, but pricy Agreed.
And I'm not speaking as someone that didn't at least try the higher-speed tiers; I was a CHSI *Blast* customer that dropped down (to Performance) last year. To be honest, you know how much difference the loss of speed made in terms of what/how I did?
Exactly none.
If anything, I do *more* seemingly bandwidth-hungry things (especially watching online video, via Fancast and Hulu) than I did before the drop.
So if I don't need the additional bandwidth (and I actually HAD the bandwidth), why keep paying extra for it? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: availabale, but pricy said by djrobx:"Standard" HSI rates have always been roughly $39/month. DSL providers used to offer "top" tier DSL at premium prices. Having lived in both Qwest territory AND Pac Bell territory, two areas that were first to introduce DSL, I have to disagree with you.
Qwest was the first carrier to introduce and roll out DSL - Their service was priced out at $79 a month for 256/128. The higher speeds were 512/256 and was $109 per month. Those speeds and prices went into 2002.
PacBell was among the first, and I quoted the rates above.. that was for 384/384. There was a 512/512 tier and it was $129 per month. Those rates dropped to $64 a month and speed increased up to 1.5/384 by 1999. I ordered service in Feb of 1998.
It wasn't until about 2002/2003 that DSL prices started to fall below $50.00 per month... and now they're even cheaper today. | |
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1 edit | It looks like DOCSIS 3.0 has been available through Comcast in my area for a while now. However, I'm not getting the 50/20 service that they cap out on. I'm getting 30/7 as the standard residential service here. I can't justify the cost increase to go from 30/7 up to the "Extreme 50" 50/20 package. Note, however, that I didn't have to pay anything over the standard rate to get the 30/7 package. It's well under 100/mo. with cable tv bundled. (Yeah, welcome to Xfinity I'm playing with it now to see how it looks.)
With the standard Comcast Residential cable for my area I'm getting consistent ~28.9 Mbps down and ~2.9 Mbps up with pings at 24 ms (3ms jitter) to the local datacenter (about 25 miles away) I got an upload of just over 6 Mbps once a few months ago but I haven't topped 3 since then. Packetloss is nonexistent for me unless there is some major catastrophe happening. These speeds jive with the "Ultra" package they advertise as only available in the DOCSIS 3.0 areas. Apparently I got it standard.
As far as pings go, every testing location in the continental US is giving me pings under 50 ms (if I stay within my half of the continental US) and under 3ms jitter. If I stretch out to the opposite half of the continental US Jitter and up/down speeds remain the same but the pings increase to just a hair under 90ms at maximum. | |
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kudos:1 | One thing yer all forgetting: "DOCSIS 3.0" does not mean that you will get higher speeds automatically. It just means that the network is READY for higher speeds.
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kudos:1 | Re: One thing yer all forgetting: I'd much prefer my cable company simply be "ready", than sitting on their laurels deciding who they're going to screw with their "surgical" upgrade plans.
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| | Docsis 3.0 in Vermont I just got my Docsis 3.0 router n Vermont last week. I hooked it up without any hassles and have now got speeds of 15000K through 28000 K download and 5000k to 12000k upload. That the best $10. upgrade that Comcast has given me so far!! Not bad for only having dialup available at my home two years ago. 
Steve Bergman in Vermont | |
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Waterbury, CT | As several on this site undoubtedly know I have long cautioned that the telco's..and primarily AT&T..were at risk of complete and utter extinction with the coming wave of a new technology called Docsis 3.0.
Why did I predict that going on 2 to even 3 years ago now?
It was a simple prediction really. D3 was simply too powerful a technology..too cheap to roll out...too backwards compatible with existing hardware...and you had in one company..namely the company that was to become the largest broadband provider on planet earth...Comcast..the will..the incentive..the money..and the motivation to deliver a world class technology such as this one is.
And roll it out they have. In waves that have resembled a tsunami sweeping across this country. To now be able to say that they have 90 to perhaps even 95% of this country already finished. And that..combined with their digital transition..has resulted in a new branding...called Xfinity.
I've praised Verizon for their fios rollout. And their attempts to become relevant once again in the face of something like this.
But the problem is which I cited many times..is that fios is simply too expensive..and too time consuming to ever reach the critical masses in time to prevent what has now become inevitable. And even Verizon themselves has recently all but admitted that when saying that they're apparently going to slow their expansion and try to focus on returning an investment on the areas they've already rolled it out in.
In other words folks..simply too few people are taking it compared to what it's costing them to deliver it. And...to the consumer..it's overall simply not the value they thought it was as Verizon has to keep their prices where they are in order to try to recoup their investments.
But what that all REALLY means is that..the rest of the country belongs to D3. And that will be very difficult to ever win back.
And that doesn't even begin to address the up and coming rollouts..of even greater speeds..of 100Mb and more.
Ladies and Gentlemen..I've held back for 2 years now of predicting what I will today.
The telcos...are finished. Because you have to understand something else to really appreciate that statement.
There simply is no real upgrade path they can offer their dsl customers anymore. DSL customers want more speed.
And it will be to the likes of Comcast and other cable co's who finally get a clue to start rolling out their own d3 networks..where those customers will turn.
And the telcos will not only be NOT gaining market share from growing their customer base..their dsl base will begin to flee like aol dialup users heading towards the exits.
And that will FURTHER erode the ability of the telco's to have the money to roll out such an expensive network such as fios is.
Fios is..at BEST..a very small niche market in the years ahead.
It is NOT what this nations broadband future is all about.
And that is why Time Warner has GOT to get the message TODAY..and do what they have dragged their feet at doing.
And begin a rollout with the speed and enthusiasm that Comcast has already.
And all cable providers must follow.
Because they ALL have within their grasps..the ability..in fact..the LIKELYHOOD..that they can OWN the telco's business in the years ahead.
And with D3..there is simply no stopping them.
Verizon..kudos to you for trying. You did your best under a very difficult set of circumstances.
AT&T...you went over the luge wall and hit your head ..and never even got out of the gate..
And Comcasters...
Welcome To Xfinity.
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Port Orchard, WA | Re: As several on this site undoubtedly know A bit wordy,but well said......If not prophetic. We shall see! | |
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