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Erial, NJ | DOCSIS 3.0 Testing Rolls Onward And FIOS is rolling right on over it. | |
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dmeyer
join:2002-08-14
Austin, TX | Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. So like 0.0001% of US households can get FIOS. The article is about bringing the remaining 99.9999% of us a better broadband and TV.
From an share holder's standpoint, cable is the way to go. And no I don't own any stock. | |
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join:2004-03-19
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| Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. The assumption you're making is that replacing previous DOCSIS equipment with the new stuff with no other change will allow FTTH-like speeds.
Each new generation of technology requires some massive change. Going to DOCSIS 3.0 will require a lot of work and money so who know how far Verizon or AT&T will be with their overhauls by then. | |
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Cabal
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Boston, MA
| Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. said by bogey780  :The assumption you're making is that replacing previous DOCSIS equipment with the new stuff with no other change will allow FTTH-like speeds. Each new generation of technology requires some massive change. Going to DOCSIS 3.0 will require a lot of work and money so who know how far Verizon or AT&T will be with their overhauls by then. You need to read some of the past DOCSIS 3.0 articles (perhaps those linked above?). You are 100% incorrect.
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Here | Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. yea yea yea...and BPL only needs to be strapped to a power line. | |
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. said by bogey780 : yea yea yea...and BPL only needs to be strapped to a power line. Essentially, yes. Some equipment needs to be installed on key node points to make BPL possible, but you won't have to run a new powerline to your house as is the case with FIOS and fiber.
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maartena
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by bogey780 :The assumption you're making is that replacing previous DOCSIS equipment with the new stuff with no other change will allow FTTH-like speeds. Each new generation of technology requires some massive change. Going to DOCSIS 3.0 will require a lot of work and money so who know how far Verizon or AT&T will be with their overhauls by then. The difference here is though, that they can upgrade their equipment to the DOCSIS 3.0 standard, without interrupting customers still on a DOCSIS 1.1 or DOCSIS 2.0 modem, AND they can co-exist.
It is not unlikely that cable companies will start to upgrade their head-ends and nodes to 3.0 over the next few years, and maybe offering a FIOS-competitive package (e.g 40/10 or so) while at the same time keeping cheaper, regular cable packages.
DSL/VDSL is limited to distance, and FIOS means someone will have to drop a physical cable to your location. Sure, FIOS and Fiber is the way of the future, but DOCSIS & Cable still have a LOT of life left in them, without having to run new cables to the houses.
And yes, most cable networks are already FTTN, that is how they bring you digital television. Your coaxial loop is most likely less then a mile.
Cable networks will be able to offer a mix-n-match of DOCSIS 1.1, DOCSIS 2.0 and DOCSIS 3.0 modems on their networks. Users having a "lite" package and an old DOCSIS 1.1 modem don't have to change their modem (when it breaks they will simply get a DOCSIS 3.0 one, or even still a DOCSIS 2.0).
With FIOS, once you go fiber, Verizon won't ever put copper back in your building. Makes sense, but it also means that your cheapest internet option is going to be $39.95 ($29.95 for 6 months) and the NEXT person moving in may not need that fast of internet because it is an old lady who checks her e-mail twice a week and visits the knitting club website once a week. Cheap $14.95 DSL is no longer an option, let alone dialup.
From an investors point of view, cable still has the better deal. Its cheaper to deploy, and the current infrastructure (infrastructure is not the same as equipment) hardly has to be changed.
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| said by bogey780 :...snip... Going to DOCSIS 3.0 will require a lot of work and money so who know how far Verizon or AT&T will be with their overhauls by then. I live in an AT$T broadband ghetto and still have not seen any Yugo-Verse terminals being installed here. Who knows how far behind AT$T will be when Comcast fires up DOCSIS 3 in Coloma. LOL!!
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. I really can't predict what AT&T will have in Coloma by the time Comcast deploys 3.0 sometime next decade. | |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. said by bogey780 :I really can't predict what AT&T will have in Coloma by the time Comcast deploys 3.0 sometime next decade. OK, I'll take a crack at it.
Based on T's poor past performance, a reasonable guess would be that T will continue to redline my ghetto neighborhood.
The bottom line is that I'll have DOCSIS 3 long before the slackers at T actually make Yugo-Verse available.
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Here | Re: Go to the FIOS fanboy forum. I would bet you on it but by the time it came to collect it would just be a rant over how awful U-verse and AT&T is in general. | |
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vzw emp
@qwest.net | As a long time AT&T customer, I can tell you exactly what they will have: the same thing they have right now. | |
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | major isps which major isp do you think will offer 100 megbit residential line first in the us | |
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join:2006-07-24
West Hartford, CT | Re: major isps i am sure it won't be Comcast.... | |
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| PittsPgh
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
| said by zed260 :which major isp do you think will offer 100 megbit residential line first in the us What good will it do. Since most ISP's anymore limit what can be done with your connection. Caps(posted/non-posted), sandvine ect.... | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: major isps Not only that, but most of the Comcast nodes in my are overloaded all ready.
Sure, you can give me 100 mbs to the node, but then it slows to a crawl from there..
I was provisioned for 6 mbs back when I had Comcast HIS, and the best I could get out of it was 1..
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| Verizon, no doubt. They're already halfway there asymetrical and at 20% symetrical. DOCIS 3 is still being tested which means what, at best 6 months to initial deployment and how much longer to widespread? Meanwhile FIOS will keep rolling on as well. And don't try any of that Powerboost crap either. Not that it isn't useful, but compare apples to apples here. Verizon will off a 100mbps plan before all others. | |
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
1 edit | Re: major isps Cablevision I would think is in the running also. Go to the speed test site for cablevision and you will see the top person with 73down. | |
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join:2001-02-03
Great Neck, NY
| Re: major isps said by majortom1029 :Cablevision I would think is in the running also. Go to the speed test site for cablevision and you will see the top person with 73down. And the Verizon speed test results already has 100 Mbps, so beat them there, LOL! 50 Mbps upload as well.
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
1 edit | Re: major isps Yeah and cablevision is the only reason why they are offering the speeds that they are.
Also I was a little off on the download the speed test results are
68.2m/64.1m Cablevision schenkman @ Nesconset, NY, USA www.ispnetinc.net 15th 01:26 PM Cablevision
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So the verizon download is higher but the cablevision upload is higher.
Also Cablevison was not one step lower. Cablevision had some of if not the top fastest speeds before verizon saw that it had to upgrade or it was sunk.
Cablevision will not always be one step behind verizon. verizon was actually one step behind cablevision untill recently.
Ehck verizon still refuses to offer fios tv in lindenhurst so I would not call that one step ahead. | |
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join:2001-02-03
Great Neck, NY
| Re: major isps said by majortom1029 :Cablevision will not always be one step behind verizon. verizon was actually one step behind cablevision untill recently. Cablevision was one step ahead of Verizon for years with speed offerings, as you stated. That has now changed and Verizon, for the foreseeable future, will always be ahead of Cablevision now. By the time DOCSIS 3.0 is rolled out Verizon will have upgraded their COs to GPON, so just imagine speed package offerings they could offer then.
As for FIOS TV, my stupid cable commission hasn't approved it for almost 3 years now. I am just happy to have the internet. Hope they get TV out to you in Lindenhurst & your local commission approves FIOS TV, good luck. | |
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@lightpath.net | Its NOT Verizon that is keeping FIOS from us in Lindenhurst. It is your local politicians in Babylon Town being paid off by that company that says they dont have a problem with competition, Cabalevision. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
1 edit | said by majortom1029 :Cablevision I would think is in the running also. Go to the speed test site for cablevision and you will see the top person with 73down. That 73Down was NOT via DOCSIS 3.0 but with a different incompatible [Narad] technology (called Boost Ultra) which is not delivered over the current OOL Network (unlike how DOCSIS 3.0 can be delivered by replacing/upgrading the customer's modem and upgrading the Head End CMTS connection equipment). | |
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Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| said by zed260 :which major isp do you think will offer 100 megbit residential line first in the us Haha, this type of service is MUCH closer to fruition here in Toledo than most people are aware...
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: major isps I could see Buckeye actually offering that service. They keep right up with their services. Especially being a small local provider offering the speeds they do; 10Mbps x 800Kbps for $69.99 (with cable) hell even without cable its still not bad for the speed compared to DSL in Toledo or anywhere else in AT&T area that will never fully see either their DSL products. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by zed260 :which major isp do you think will offer 100 megbit residential line first in the us pointless since all have data caps.
at 100mb you'd just hit your caps faster!
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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Erial, NJ | Re: major isps Verizon has caps? News to me. | |
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zed260
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Cleveland, TN | cable well if japan is any clue it wont be a cable company at all | |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
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NH
clubs:  | gigabit If we ever reach these 100mbps speeds we're going to have to make the new home networking standard gigabit. I know it exists, but the majority is 100mbps. Prepare to upgrade your networking hardware =P | |
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Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: gigabit said by swhitney2003 :If we ever reach these 100mbps speeds we're going to have to make the new home networking standard gigabit. I know it exists, but the majority is 100mbps. Prepare to upgrade your networking hardware =P Agreed. Any service offering over 50 Mbps would be wasted by using anything less than Gig-E gear in the PC and home network.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: gigabit HAHA !! Done already ! Gotta love Cisco refurbs  | |
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Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: gigabit said by BosstonesOwn :HAHA !! Done already ! Gotta love Cisco refurbs Same here... but do you have 10Gig-E yet?
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Cjaiceman
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| Re: gigabit said by Done_Posting :said by BosstonesOwn :HAHA !! Done already ! Gotta love Cisco refurbs Same here... but do you have 10Gig-E yet? - Tate No, but there is no reason to. Computer hard drives can't move data that fast, so there is no point unless you are a service host, in which case it shouldn't be in your basement, it should be in a professional hosting center. | |
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Shoot to kill
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Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: gigabit said by Cjaiceman :No, but there is no reason to. Computer hard drives can't move data that fast, so there is no point unless you are a service host, in which case it shouldn't be in your basement, it should be in a professional hosting center. True, but what if I want to turn my basement into a co-lo center? There's plenty of room down there and God knows it's cold enough...
Getting back to reality, sure there's no need for 10Gig-E yet, and there probably won't be for quite a while. I can dream though, can't I?
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serge666
join:2004-06-07
Little Falls, NJ
| said by swhitney2003 :If we ever reach these 100mbps speeds we're going to have to make the new home networking standard gigabit. I know it exists, but the majority is 100mbps. Prepare to upgrade your networking hardware =P all new motherboards come with Gig-E so that's a start | |
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Cjaiceman
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| Re: gigabit said by serge666 :said by swhitney2003 :If we ever reach these 100mbps speeds we're going to have to make the new home networking standard gigabit. I know it exists, but the majority is 100mbps. Prepare to upgrade your networking hardware =P all new motherboards come with Gig-E so that's a start Not all, only mid to high level retail computers do, and forget about the laptops. Home built or aftermarket computers, yes, but go buy a low end e-machines or HP and they will still only have 100Mb. | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Re: gigabit Yes, but the people who buy those things, will also still have $15 DSL. | |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
·AT&T Midwest
| Well With the biggest telco in the country, AT&T, offering a max U-Verse package of 6mbps/1.5mbps, I don't think cable has much to worry about yet, considering most of the major cable systems offer their highest package at 10mbps+ now and days.
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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Brentwood, CA | Re: Well Where is Rick and his jerk off rag?
Surprised he isn't losing a load over this!!! | |
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deadzoned
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Baton Rouge, LA
·Cox HSI
| I remain unconvinced... I just don't see how DOCSIS 3.0 can even compete with a fiber to the home connection.
Maybe I am missing something but isn't it true that while you may have the hardware to deliver certain speeds to a computer you still need to have the capabilities to send those speeds to that hardware? In other words, it's still being sent over a hybrid fiber/coax connection and thus will be limited to whatever speed coax can handle right?
I mean a FTTH connection will be much speedier than any type of hybrid fiber/coax connection correct? | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Put it in the field.. Why hasn't there been MORE field testing of docsis 3.0 spec equipment by ordinary people, not CEOs?
It would be nice to see what REAL people think about the speeds and capabilities of a node and cablemodem capable of this new spec which is just about as finalized as 802.11n is but just not deployed. All this news at a time when Verizon is deploying symmetrical speeds NOW not sometime in 2008. Verizon is testing long haul fiber links with even greater speeds (albeit not for broadband at the moment, just tv). If it takes more FIOS deployments to get cable companies serious about breaking out the checkbook for docsis 3, so be it..
I'm pretty amazed at anything above 10mbits 'cause I remember the days of 300 baud with NO error correction, - UGH! - (but today's children are growing up with DSL and cablemodems will DEMAND MORE, MUCH MORE) | |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| Re: Put it in the field.. said by tmc8080 :Why hasn't there been MORE field testing of docsis 3.0 spec equipment by ordinary people, not CEOs? ...because there isn't any DOCSIS 3.0 gear actually certified yet... it's all just in testing. | |
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Yawns
@comcast.net |  Wake me
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| ANWDREW
join:2004-01-21
Sterling, VA
| Re: I take the T1 over higher speed cable If you send more faster that still doesn't help me.
I'll take 1.5... T1 over this all day long I am a Gamer!!!
I don't use much bandwidth. I am using in the Kb region
and get lag outs with my low ping. If I go to a friends home with the same PC. I can jump on to a FiOS connection and play with no issues. The truck rolls come and go and still the service is tolerable. Playing games and surfing the web a little bit that is the only reason I have cable HIS. Get this
fixed and you can keep me and others may change there minds
as well of which service is better, and price...
Speakeasy T1 $359. its getting cheaper. Still to Hi for me | |
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