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DSL Extreme Launches Rebranded FiOS
'Fiber Extreme' now available across Verizon's footprint...
by Karl Bode 12:35PM Tuesday May 05 2009
It looks like DSL Extreme is the first major ISP to strike a deal to resell Verizon FiOS service, the company today announcing the launch of "Fiber Extreme" service. According to the DSL Extreme press release, the company is now offering customers FTTH speeds up to 50Mbps. The press release doesn't mention Verizon or FiOS anywhere, though a DSL Extreme tech has been providing additional information in our DSL Extreme forum.

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Fiber Extreme is offered with DHCP for residential and either DHCP or Static IPs for business clients. Inbound port 80 is blocked on residential and dynamic IP business accounts, but port 80 is opened on business accounts with static IPs. The company says they're offering free setup and a free router lease for their $39.95 10Mbps/2Mbps tier with a one year contract.

If you compare DSL Extreme and FiOS prices you'll note that DSL Extreme is selling the 50Mbps tier for substantially less than Verizon does ($99 versus $145). Based on our conversations with other ISPs trying to strike similar deals with Verizon, DSL Extreme is likely working with some pretty narrow profit margins under this deal.

Perhaps its time for DSL Extreme to change their name to something a little less, oh, coppery?

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blacksurfer

join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA

Nice speed!

Great company this DSLextreme. I've had them for ten years! Wish I could afford this speed!

djrobx
Premium
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:2

Good job!

Now if they can just get AT&T to resell U-verse...
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Your funeral. Delivered.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

1 edit

Re: Good job!

Yeah - I'd be getting standalone DSL-Extreme Uverse if it was offered at a decent price.
AT&T likes to bundle.

Interesting seeing FiOS with 20Mbps uploads.

PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD

Re: Good job!

The Ultra service is *symmetrical* (20 Mbps each direction) for $59.95 ($5 less than VZ). Surprisingly, it's *dry loop* FTTP (if you want, you can actually keep your current providers for phone and TV). And AFAIK, it's available anywhere VZ does FIOS today (I'm way out here in Maryland, far from DSL Extreme's usual territory, and it's available here).

**Officially boggled!**

spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
Premium
join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·SureWest Internet
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kilometers3

join:2007-01-24
Sacramento, CA
I'd be interested in seeing them resell AT&T's VDSL services too. Without the video requirement we could probably get the full 25mbps and maybe faster uploadspeeds. Or maybe they would provision based off of distance from the vrad which would be even cooler. U-Verse FTTH users would be the happiest of them all.

Of course the chances of this every happening are close to none. =(

elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
said by djrobx:

Now if they can just get AT&T to resell U-verse...
only if i can get true FTTH
U-verse is a joke

Bit00
Premium
join:2009-02-19
00000

Great for California

We don't get the same 50Mb pricing as the east coast does and DSLx's TOS/AUP is very lax.

This may also bring pressure on other major incumbents to offer line sharing agreements.

PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD

Re: Great for California

It's *not* just in California (DSLx' pricing is cheaper than VZ in Maryland, too). And DSLx is the only provider I know of to offer dry-loop fiber Internet on the East Coast at all (even VZ requires you to take phone with your FIOS, while DSLx does not), let alone dry-loop fiber Internet to a residence. That alone would gain DSLx customers.

mystryfiostk

join:2008-07-17
00000

Re: Great for California

said by PGHammer:

It's *not* just in California (DSLx' pricing is cheaper than VZ in Maryland, too). And DSLx is the only provider I know of to offer dry-loop fiber Internet on the East Coast at all (even VZ requires you to take phone with your FIOS, while DSLx does not), let alone dry-loop fiber Internet to a residence. That alone would gain DSLx customers.
I'm afraid that's not true at all. fios data only has always been available. so has fios tv - as a standalone product. verizon phone is not required at all.

PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD

Re: Great for California

Maybe after trying to get you to take FIOS for phone (and in Maryland, the copper always goes away if you move your *existing* VZ phone service). By going with a third party, you could actually stand a decent chance of keeping the copper (just for phone).

DarkLogix
Texan and Proud
Premium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3

how about

Fiber Extreme?
google2

join:2004-02-04
South Beloit, IL

2 recommendations

Re: how about

It sounds like a breakfast cereal for old people.

DarkLogix
Texan and Proud
Premium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3

Re: how about

well then how about
Light Extreme?

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Re: how about

said by DarkLogix:

well then how about
Light Extreme?
oxymoron

DarkLogix
Texan and Proud
Premium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3

Re: how about

Just because its an Oxymoron doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good name
rmdir

join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL

Re: how about

No more an oxymoron than "unlimited" data plans that have caps.

birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:9
Extreme Light(tm)

has a better ring to it, and it rolls off the tongue nicely.

And it has the benefit of not appearing to be associated with a telecommunication product elsewhere.

Google for Extreme Light brings up topics related to physics and also an LED light source in the first few hits.

N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:2

1 recommendation

That's more like Colon Blow....

Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
kudos:18
said by DarkLogix:

Fiber Extreme?
"Now available with sweetened prunes"

"It really gets you moving in the morning"

"Faster than Colon Cleanser"
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What’s the point of owning a supercar if you can’t scare yourself stupid from time to time?
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast

This is awesome

Since it's not FiOS direct from Verizon, no billing issues. Since it is FiOS indirect from Verizon, you get all that lovely speed. Since it's $100/month, I'd probably get the service if I lived in an area that had it. Even if said area had OOL Ultra...I 3 20 Mbps up.
jvanbrecht

join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD

Their package descriptions are inconsistant..

I have FIOS currently, out of curiousity to compare pricing I ran my phone/address through their system to see what I qualified for..

Below is a copy and paste, they state 50/50 in the description, but further down they show 50/20.. which is it....

Either way, I wonder if I could use them for my ISP and still use FIOS TV (I am already about to kill the phone line)

Extreme: Prices Starting at $99.95/mo - Download Speeds up to 50000Kbps
This package has an upload speed of 50.0Mbps! This is our fastest package available! 50Mbps of download means that you can do virtually anything online and with the included upload you can also host anything you'd like.
Download/Upload Contract Connection Activation Price Order This
50000/20000Kbps 12 Month DHCP - 1 IP(s) FREE $99.95/mo

kieranmullen
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Portland, OR

Re: Their package descriptions are inconsistant..

I currently have 5 statics. :-(

Staplegun

join:2005-04-20
Flower Mound, TX
You are better off bundling direct from Verizon.

FiOS 20MB/5MB Internet + FiOS TV Extreme HD = $79.99 a month + set top boxes/DVR.

Extreme HD standalone starts at $57.99 + set top boxes/DVR.
jvanbrecht

join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD

Re: Their package descriptions are inconsistant..

I have a tivo, so no STB's, just 2cable cards...

I was kinda looking at the 20/20 from Extreme for $56 (I am going to assume that price does not include the unfee fee's below the line...), and for me, HD Extreme package stand alone from verizon (based on my area) is $47 a month..

Currently I am paying $140 for 10/2, whatever the grandfathered essentials TV package missing a few HD channels, and phone service I am not using at all since I replaced my security alarm with a Great Dane and a mean vicious (but cute and loving to the family) Dalmation...

I wonder what Verizon would charge for 20/20 if they even offer it (I do not think they do... atleast not in my area)

PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
True on the bundling.

However, this is dry-loop fiber Internet, which is unheard-of, especially for residential customers (let alone residential customers in the eastern US). DSLx' offerings are great for those that want to keep copper, or cell-only households that want fiber Internet, and want to keep their current TV provider (for any reason). In fact, you can't even get dry-loop fiber Internet from VZ (in most areas, if you have FIOS Internet, you lose your copper; that is usually the case in Maryland). I've certainly heard enough griping on that front in the FIOS fora.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC

They must have a good working relationship with Verizon

I thought that everyone who had Verizon-resold DSL eventually lost connectivity with neither Verizon or the reseller able to fix it. Must have just been me. And yet Verizon-only DSL always seems to be well maintained.
caco
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK

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Name doesn't matter

"Perhaps its time for DSL Extreme to change their name to something a little less, oh, coppery?"

Customer's wouldn't care if it was called Spaghetti Extreme as long as they could get 50Mbps for 99$.
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»www.seabee.navy.mil

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

Re: Name doesn't matter

FiOS or DSL, there will still be some copper in there somewhere
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
"Customer's wouldn't care if it was called Spaghetti Extreme as long as they could get 50Mbps for 99$."

It could be named kakarot and I wouldn't care, if I could get it.
guppy_fish
Premium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:3

Not the first, by a long shot

They are far from being the "first"

www.rapidsys.com has been a reseller for at least two years on the FIOS, much longer on the DSL side
flashcore

join:2007-01-23
united state

Re: Not the first, by a long shot

I do believe they are the FIRST to resell service across all Verizon FiOS areas. Rapidsys only offers service in Florida which is worthless to the rest of us.
Brian Hinds

join:2008-02-06
Long Beach, CA

Re: Not the first, by a long shot

MM Internet, Inc. was the first to work out a deal with Verizon for Fiber. Not DSL Extreme or any other company. In fact MM Internet was the first to offer DSL with them as well on the ATM platform, tested with Verizon with beta customers.

SYNACK
Just Firewall It
Premium,Mod
join:2001-03-05
Venice, CA

Will have to wait...

I am still locked into my FIOS contract, so switching would give me termination fees anyway. No deal!

Still, looking at the numbers, my current FIOS package deals are better. For example I pay less for 20/5 than the DSL extreme 10/2 package. The DSLextreme offers seems to be mostly geared to "internet only" users in FIOS territory.

Anyone know what kind of router they provide? Same as Verizon?
jvanbrecht

join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD

Re: Will have to wait...

My guess, is that if they are only offering IP services, and no TV or phone, they would provision the ONT for ethernet instead of MOCA, so odds are you get a crappy linksys or dlink router, or something similar.

Hpower
Roflmao

join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA

Awesome deal

OMG hell yea I remember I had dsl extreme long time ago and I loved them. Too bad I won't be able to get fios in the next 5000000 yeas.
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The Internet is about to go down....it is actually.

POB
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA

Ah Likes It

Very very nice. I'll be telling Cox to kiss my ass very shortly.
rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House

Nice... but

Business pricing looks good also, and their static IPs are a lot cheaper than VZ.

Unfortunately, they don't offer a 2 year term like FIOS does on their business plans. With pricing for internet service climbing upward on both cable and FIOS, I would want to lock in today's rates for as long as possible.

Anyone know if this is a pure reseller deal where the connection is all Verizon, or is VZ just backhauling their resold FIOS traffic onto DSL Extreme's network?

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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

nobody likes a middle man

Even in terms of clecs, who wants a middle man for something like this? Just asking for trouble IMO.

PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD

Re: nobody likes a middle man

Apparently, lots of folks like middlemen; CavTel, for example, has thrived on it. (CavTel, for those of you outside of VZ's territory, is the largest CLEC that VZ competes with, and it uses VZ's network for almost all of it's services.) If you provide quality service for less thean your competitors, you being a reseller/remarketer won't matter.
HDTVFanAtic

join:2009-05-06
If you've ever dealt with Verizon FiOS CSRs, I would probably pay MORE to have the issues dealt with. If I can save money at the same time and deal with a better class of CSRs, count me in!
bronxlcsw

join:2005-09-21
Bronx, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Optimum Online

So with dsl extreme plus vonage it will be 132 per month?

If i order the dsl extreme 50/20 package and use vonage 32 dollar unlimited calling plan is it 132 per month? I envision getting Didh network turbo HD or directv . Three separate services from 3 diferrent companies. I figure the dvr top americas everything pack from dish with hd is 100 dollars so total for all 3 is about 232-240 per month.
Expand your moderator at work

Patrick42

@verizon.net

Beware

After dealing with Verizon for over a year I have come to the conclusion that their service is horrible, the speeds they list are inaccurate, their service techs are uneducated, and the cost per kps is almost triple the cost of cable.
I would advise anyone NOT to switch to Verizon, It took over 2 minutes for this page to load entirely and I’m sure it will take another 5 to post. This is horrible that I’m reduced to posting this all over the internet but as long as my contract is locked in and my internet service lags I’ll keep posting. My service is from zip 10512 & 10594

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